Lawmakers file 'Tennessee Natural Marriage Defense Act'

  • metta

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    Sep 18, 2015 9:01 PM GMT
    Lawmakers file 'Tennessee Natural Marriage Defense Act'


    http://www.tennessean.com/story/news/politics/2015/09/17/lawmakers-file-tennessee-natural-marriage-defense-act/32570645/
  • tazzari

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    Sep 19, 2015 1:37 AM GMT
    Many replies are possible, all of which would go over the heads of these cave-dwellers, but three questions I'd like to ask:

    1) "Natural" to whom? Same-sex marriage would be very natural to me, opposite sex marriage unnatural and repulsive.

    2) If 5-600 species exhibit same-sex behavior, including pairing for life, how can it be "unnatural"?

    3) Can you think of one other species that practices marriage? Marriage is very un-natural.
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    Sep 19, 2015 2:37 AM GMT

    "Law Maker"-
    Does this mean religious nut job sociopaths should NOT be a part of this process in the first place?


    What if these kinds of people made laws for the rest of us? They certainly would not be secular icon_confused.gif

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  • Apparition

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    Sep 19, 2015 1:03 PM GMT
    Isnt it about time there is some kind of nuclear accident in a few of these states, cant you evict them or something? Should they be institutuing some sort of skill testing question to vote?
  • roadbikeRob

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    Sep 19, 2015 1:24 PM GMT
    tazzari saidMany replies are possible, all of which would go over the heads of these cave-dwellers, but three questions I'd like to ask:

    1) "Natural" to whom? Same-sex marriage would be very natural to me, opposite sex marriage unnatural and repulsive.

    2) If 5-600 species exhibit same-sex behavior, including pairing for life, how can it be "unnatural"?

    3) Can you think of one other species that practices marriage? Marriage is very un-natural.
    Marriage is a man made institution, period. These narrow minded bible thumping screwballs need to pack their bags and get the hell out of the U.S. and go move to Russia.icon_mad.gif
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    Sep 19, 2015 3:00 PM GMT
    Throughout most of history the act of being "married" in Western culture was very informal. It didn't even become recognized as a sacrament in the Roman Catholic rite until the Middle Ages.

    And then often only formally celebrated among the nobility & royalty, with witnesses because of the great property and political issues involved. But it wasn't the near-coronation we see today in cathedrals, rather often a relatively small & private ceremony, even for Kings & Queens.

    And among the common people there was virtually no ceremony at all, just a recognition & blessing by the local parish priest. Who made it official by personally entering the names into the church registry (since it was likely he was one of the few people within a village who could write).

    And more pertinent to the issue of natural vs. unnatural, same-sex marriage was recognized by the Church during the late Roman period and into the early Middle Ages (aka the Dark Ages). Only later was it suppressed, and its memory erased as Church doctrine became hostile to the concept.
  • jeepguySD

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    Sep 20, 2015 12:59 AM GMT

    Any court decision purporting to strike down natural marriage, including (a recent U.S. Supreme Court decision), is unauthoritative, void, and of no effect.

    The bill in the Tennessee legislature is nothing more than a blatant and explicit attempt at nullification. It has the same overtones as many of the declarations made by southern states concerning the natural order of slavery in the years leading up to the Civil War. It's been over 150 years and they still have not learned a thing. Good grief!
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    Sep 20, 2015 1:15 AM GMT
    jeepguySD said
    Any court decision purporting to strike down natural marriage, including (a recent U.S. Supreme Court decision), is unauthoritative, void, and of no effect.

    The bill in the Tennessee legislature is nothing more than a blatant and explicit attempt at nullification. It has the same overtones as many of the declarations made by southern states concerning the natural order of slavery in the years leading up to the Civil War. It's been over 150 years and they still have not learned a thing. Good grief!

    I agree. This is another attempt at Nullification. It didn't work in 1860, it won't work now. Unless they'd like to start another Civli War. And maybe they would.
  • jeepguySD

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    Sep 20, 2015 2:57 AM GMT
    Art_Deco said
    jeepguySD said
    Any court decision purporting to strike down natural marriage, including (a recent U.S. Supreme Court decision), is unauthoritative, void, and of no effect.

    The bill in the Tennessee legislature is nothing more than a blatant and explicit attempt at nullification. It has the same overtones as many of the declarations made by southern states concerning the natural order of slavery in the years leading up to the Civil War. It's been over 150 years and they still have not learned a thing. Good grief!

    I agree. This is another attempt at Nullification. It didn't work in 1860, it won't work now. Unless they'd like to start another Civli War. And maybe they would.


    Former Texas governor Rick Perry, among others, was fond of threatening secession in opposition to the present Administration. I won't be at all surprised when some start calling for secession over Obergefell. I don't think it will lead to anything since today there is a clear national majority in favor of marriage equality. But there are, obviously, dense pockets of stubborn and hateful resistance scattered across the country.
  • KissTheSky

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    Sep 20, 2015 3:17 AM GMT
    Another proud day for Republicans, who have given up trying to solve society's real problems and instead bash gay people at every possible opportunity.
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    Sep 20, 2015 3:51 PM GMT
    MEANWHILE... Bad ol' Rocky Top!

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    I'd venture a guess this ain't coincidental.

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/09/20/1423136/-A-Group-In-East-Tennessee-Wants-Forced-Prayer-Back-In-Schools
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    Sep 20, 2015 4:07 PM GMT
    MEANWHILE x2: Mr. Fagan (that's FAY-gin, you slick RJers out there! lol) has what he thinks is a novel concept, in 2015:

    Right Wing WatchPat Fagan, the director of the Family Research Council’s Marriage and Religious Research Institute, suggested yesterday that marriage equality opponents start referring to gay men’s marriages as “garriage” and lesbians’ marriages as “larriage,” with the overarching term for “homosexual marriage” being “harriage.”


    http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/frc-official-call-gay-marriage-garriage-and-lesbian-marriage-larriage#sthash.vCR86uQr.dpuf

    I've been calling Fagan's wedded bliss a "Carriage"... a term intended only for Crackpots! icon_razz.gif