Republican Party new trick?

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    Jan 31, 2009 7:23 PM GMT
    I know I'm going to catch hell for even broaching this topic but... I'm going to say what many people are thinking:

    Did the Republican Party just pull a "look we can elect a black guy too!" moment?

    I AM NOT DENEGRADING Mr. Steele's accomplishment nor his character, but am skeptical about why he was elected.

    The former RNC Chairman wasn't doing such a good job in the last two years, why did they wait so long to get a new boss? I'm sure the party could have pressured him to resign much earlier.


    Mr. Steele isn't a conservative Republican after all, he is more of a moderate which is awesome!






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    Jan 31, 2009 7:42 PM GMT
    It took six different ballots to actually elect him, so I am doubtful there was something intentional like "we haz blakman 2" behind the decision. In the first ballot each candidate was overwhelmingly unpopular. By round six many of the candidates had dropped out and did not endorse. Even then he barely squeaked by with 91 votes when 85 was needed to win.

    And we have to remember, this is a man who linked stem cell research and the holocaust and bamboozled homeless people to campaign for him and then didn't pay them. So, while he may be moderate from a state where only a moderate can win, he is still a very colorful character.
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    Jan 31, 2009 11:51 PM GMT
    Mr. Steele is an articulate, intelligent man who will do a great job. What's wrong with another black man holding an important office? I think that's a good thing because it shows that no matter what your beliefs, ANYONE can aspire to great things.
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    Jan 31, 2009 11:52 PM GMT
    Incidentally, I'd like for Stigmata to list the Republican "tricks". I'd be very interested to hear them.


    Stigmata saidI know I'm going to catch hell for even broaching this topic but... I'm going to say what many people are thinking:

    Did the Republican Party just pull a "look we can elect a black guy too!" moment?

    I AM NOT DENEGRADING Mr. Steele's accomplishment nor his character, but am skeptical about why he was elected.

    The former RNC Chairman wasn't doing such a good job in the last two years, why did they wait so long to get a new boss? I'm sure the party could have pressured him to resign much earlier.


    Mr. Steele isn't a conservative Republican after all, he is more of a moderate which is awesome!






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    Jan 31, 2009 11:55 PM GMT
    Mr Steele is no friend of the gay community and is nothing but an Uncle Tom for the GOP. The GOP has failed for years to reach out to people of color and when they do try they have screwed up horribly.
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    Feb 01, 2009 12:02 AM GMT
    Neither is Obama...he's against gay marriage
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    Feb 01, 2009 3:04 AM GMT
    I think Mr. Steele is a token official, BUT if he moves the Republican party to a position that substantially changes its attitudes on minorities, including GLBT, then he will be an achievement.
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    Feb 01, 2009 3:08 AM GMT
    Various minority segments that liberals have always claimed as there own
    are showing thru as conservative. Gays in SF are saying that Black Churches killed prop 8 . Koreans, Chinese are embracing conservative values. So the grand old party may have a color change in its future.
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    Feb 01, 2009 3:34 AM GMT
    JockStrappedAss saidNeither is Obama...he's against gay marriage
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Check out his site under GLBT and see where he stands on our issues, and they are a far cry ahead of anything the republicans can offer. I'll take civil unions under Obama and all the other policies he offers anyday. If you'll check it out I'm sure you'll be satisfied that he's not doing us bad at all.
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    Feb 01, 2009 6:37 AM GMT
    Jesse Helmes and Strom Thruman will no doubt rise from their graves in protest. Now do we really need their zombies shambling about?
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    Feb 03, 2009 6:51 AM GMT
    JockStrappedAss saidNeither is Obama...he's against gay marriage


    Yes, but Obama is against a federal amendment banning gay marriage. Steele is in favor of one, which I believe puts him to the right of John McCain on this issue.

    realifedad said
    JockStrappedAss saidNeither is Obama...he's against gay marriage
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Check out his site under GLBT and see where he stands on our issues, and they are a far cry ahead of anything the republicans can offer. I'll take civil unions under Obama and all the other policies he offers anyday. If you'll check it out I'm sure you'll be satisfied that he's not doing us bad at all.


    Here's a link:

    http://www.whitehouse.gov/agenda/civil_rights/

    I have very mixed feelings about what the Obama administration has been doing so far in general, but I gotta give him credit for what it says on that page, even though I have trouble with hate-crimes legislation generally. I think there are better ways to go for a similar result. But I'm sure most people here will applaud him on the hate-crimes-legislation agenda and I certainly applaud him on everything else on that page.

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    Feb 03, 2009 7:14 AM GMT
    sfinboston saidMr Steele is no friend of the gay community and is nothing but an Uncle Tom for the GOP. The GOP has failed for years to reach out to people of color and when they do try they have screwed up horribly.


    Can a white guy really call a black guy an Uncle Tom? Why didn't you just call him a n***** while you were at it? There has to be something in the black handbook about this. And true, Michael Steele is against gay marriage...just like Barack Obama.
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    Feb 03, 2009 7:30 AM GMT
    stigmata you are probably right. But at the same, time, this could result in a positive change for everyone. Its unlikely though since he is such an ass as munching zombie has pointed out. But its always god to hold onto the hope that people will change.
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    Feb 03, 2009 11:37 PM GMT
    You guys are unreal. why can't you see that it's the dems who are the racist party. if anything, they used a token bi-racial guy to cover up the years of racism the democrats have been involved in. who supports all of these gov programs more? the democrats. with their programs, they keep blacks feeling "victumized" or as i like to call it enslaved. making it seem like they can not progress in this nation. they throw our taxpaying dollars and keep them in the slums and section 8s. you can go on any black GOP website and look it up yourselves.

    you guys are so quick to call any black or gay repuplican an uncle tom or self-hater because they hate socialism and big gov. that's why i hardly engage in these conversations, way to much childish nonsense. here's an awesome artical from
    gayconservative.org about Micheal Steele:


    Are you up to the challenge?

    Michael Steele, the former Lt. Governor of Maryland, was elected as chairman of the Republican National Committee today. He is African-American, he is Catholic and he is conservative. So let’s see if anyone besides FOX News will extoll the historical significance of Steele as the first black chairman of the GOP. Let’s watch to see if any journalists break down in tears or if anyone gets a “thrill up their leg.” I seriously doubt it, but this is very special.

    Reports from the MSM say that Steele was the most moderate candidate. I’m not sure that is accurate. I will dig further, but everything I have heard from him is conservative. Sean Hannity gave him the big thumbs up, and I know Hannity doesn’t embrace RINOs. I have a feeling that the MSM is trying to spin things in their own way and downplay Steele’s significance.

    Steele wrote a great piece for the Politico back in November. He outlined his vision for the GOP.

    Return to timeless Republican principles. And include a positive, optimistic message that envisions a new, stronger, more prosperous American future. Ronald Reagan spoke to our deepest longing as a people. He gave a voice to principles that are true for all people in all times. Retool our message, but base it on those proven conservative principles for which our party has always stood: Our freedom is from God, not government. Our prosperity comes from a free people in a free market, not overtaxing, free-spending bureaucrats. We celebrate and protect life, born and unborn. And our best hope for a brighter future is in the empowerment of individuals and families, not in the constraints imposed by a bloated bureaucracy.

    Nothing moderate or even liberal there. It’s a very true message. And it’s an optimistic, conservative message. There are questions about his abortion stance, but Steele insists he is pro-life and was endorsed by the National Right-To-Life Committee. His rhetoric invokes the messages of Ronald Reagan. I have heard Michael speak many times - especially his discussions with Hannity. I feel very confident that he is a conservative.

    I will dig a little further on Steele. I have always been a fan, but I want conservative principles to trump all from here on out. Aside from being a conservative, I also think that Michael Steele has a couple of other things going for him. He is an excellent communicator who is media-savvy and inspirational. He comes across strong on TV and radio and is open to utilizing new media to get the message across. We have lacked that in recent election cycles. Michael Steele is also an outsider. He was the only candidate for the RNC who wasn’t a committee member. There are potential cons in that regards, but I feel good that it is a pro which will give him a different perspective.

    Nobody in the GOP gets a free pass right now. The party is in a sad state. Michael Steele promises to open things up and regain the base in the Northeast and other parts of the country. And he is focused on the GOP grassroots nationwide. He speaks of improving the GOP image, but he hasn’t said anything that leads me to believe that the improvement necessarily involves sacrificing conservative principles.

    I am willing to give Steele the benefit of the doubt because his rhetoric is right on, and the intangibles just feel right. But also know that I will dump him and anyone else in the GOP leadership the very second that I believe that they are leading us down the same destructive path that led us to our present state. I didn’t see anyone else in the running with more promise for change. I thing the RNC made the correct choice. I just hope that Mr. Steele doesn’t make me a liar.



    UPDATE: I just watched Hannity’s interview of Michael Steele on his FOX News TV program. Steele chose Hannity as his first interview after being elected as Chairman. I feel really good now. Sean threw out all of the hints about lukewarm Republicans and pseudo-conservatives. Steele was flawless. He says that true conservative principles are the key to the resurrection of the GOP. I’m with Michael Steele right now. I have no reason to doubt him. I will be vigilant, but Michael Steele said all of the right things. I think he can energize this base.



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    Feb 03, 2009 11:43 PM GMT
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    sfinboston saidMr Steele is no friend of the gay community and is nothing but an Uncle Tom for the GOP. The GOP has failed for years to reach out to people of color and when they do try they have screwed up horribly.


    Can a white guy really call a black guy an Uncle Tom? Why didn't you just call him a n***** while you were at it? There has to be something in the black handbook about this. And true, Michael Steele is against gay marriage...just like Barack Obama.


    two points.

    that's another thing. it seems like the number one thing on your agendas is gay rights. just like you guys, i'm also gay. but unlike most of you, gay isn't my entire existence. you can't make people accept something, it takes time. that's the sad and harsh truth. and the way so many gay protesters have been acting, how can you expect accept anything when gays are ruining their own cause.
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    Feb 03, 2009 11:51 PM GMT
    It is my feeling that Steele is the same old type of Republican who happens to be black. Republicans can do whatever they want, including elevating a homosexual to lead the party, I'll still never vote for them.

    Also, a little history is in order. While it is true that the Democratic Party used to be the party of segregationists and Dixiecrats, the party has transformed itself, at least in this respect, in the last 50 years.

    Indeed, it is now the Republican Party that represents exclusive, divisive America...or should I say, in the words of Sarah Palin, "the real America."
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    Feb 04, 2009 12:00 AM GMT
    jffrsnndisc0rlnss said
    that's another thing. it seems like the number one thing on your agendas is gay rights. just like you guys, i'm also gay. but unlike most of you, gay isn't my entire existence. you can't make people accept something, it takes time. that's the sad and harsh truth. and the way so many gay protesters have been acting, how can you expect accept anything when gays are ruining their own cause.


    All people advocate for their own interests.

    I don't know about you, but I don't stop being homosexual when I step outside my front door. Do heterosexuals stop being heteroseuxal when they step out of their doors? No.

    Finally, since I pay taxes too, I am entitled to all of the same rights as heterosexuals and that means that I am entitled to them now, not in 1 year, not in 5 years, not in 10 years, but now.

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    Feb 04, 2009 12:00 AM GMT
    where do you get your info from, dfrw?
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    Feb 04, 2009 12:01 AM GMT
    What info?
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    Feb 04, 2009 12:04 AM GMT
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    sfinboston saidMr Steele is no friend of the gay community and is nothing but an Uncle Tom for the GOP. The GOP has failed for years to reach out to people of color and when they do try they have screwed up horribly.


    Can a white guy really call a black guy an Uncle Tom? Why didn't you just call him a n***** while you were at it? There has to be something in the black handbook about this. And true, Michael Steele is against gay marriage...just like Barack Obama.


    two points.

    that's another thing. it seems like the number one thing on your agendas is gay rights. just like you guys, i'm also gay. but unlike most of you, gay isn't my entire existence. you can't make people accept something, it takes time. that's the sad and harsh truth. and the way so many gay protesters have been acting, how can you expect accept anything when gays are ruining their own cause.


    Umm...

    How have gay protesters "been acting"?

    And who even protests anymore? It's mostly the internet and media changing the general mindset. Protests died in the 70s.
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    Feb 04, 2009 12:05 AM GMT
    The answer is YES. I hate to say it. He is just a token black man. The GRAND OLD PARTY is OLD news. I keep hearing people complain about Obama and I just have to ask myself. Wht are you complaining about? Like George W did anything while he was in office that made amounted to anything.
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    Feb 04, 2009 12:06 AM GMT
    Well krush, George W did do quite a lot; it just happened to be mostly bad. ;-)
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    Feb 04, 2009 12:18 AM GMT
    Wayne Besen has an excellent opinion piece regarding this topic.

    http://www.waynebesen.com/2009/02/changing-face-of-gop.html
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    Feb 04, 2009 12:19 AM GMT
    So just because Bush was bad we shouldn't hold Obama accountable or criticize him when he screws up?
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    Feb 04, 2009 12:20 AM GMT
    yeah, our lives were so bad ONLY bc of Bush. how come i never hear you guys complain about Carter, Buba Clinton, Nancy I can't feel my face Pelosi and the rest of the clowns that got us into this fix. at least Bush kept this country safe after 9-11 and liberated Iraq from tyranny. and that $600 dollars we got went to working tax payers. Obama with his crap sandwich of a economic plan is full of tax breaks for illegals and people that don't even pay taxes. if you're going to bash Bush, then you guys better bash Obama and his insane picks for cabinet. your hate for one man and the GOP party seems to blind you judgement and logic towards dems.