Travel restrictions for Americans to Cuba loosened again... thinking of going?

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    Sep 22, 2015 12:41 PM GMT
    Reading in the Times this morning that travel to Cuba will become easier for Americans who are going for one of 12 purposes (other than straight-up tourism), but that, as Robert Muse, a Washington-based lawyer who specializes in U.S.-Cuba related law, put it: If somebody wishes to travel to Cuba and they “can’t think up a way to fit into those categories, they are not trying.”


    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/21/travel/cuba-vacations.html?emc=edit_tnt_20150922&nlid=67752290&tntemail0=y

    I would really love to see it before the inevitable Disney/Marriott/Carnival invasion. I could probably parlay an excuse to go via my work with the church.

    Anybody else? What do you want to see?
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    Sep 22, 2015 2:22 PM GMT
    walk proud onto the island with prada luggage. always quaint to see grown men with a bone in their nose and a towel as a hat.
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    Sep 22, 2015 3:20 PM GMT
    I didn't know there was any travel restriction going to Miami.
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    Sep 22, 2015 3:35 PM GMT
    Cuba? No, thanks; I've no desire to help prop up a brutal dictatorship w/ my dollars.
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    Sep 22, 2015 5:04 PM GMT
    paulflexes saidI didn't know there was any travel restriction going to Miami.

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    Sep 22, 2015 5:23 PM GMT
    Yeah, thinking about it. I've seen the pics of the almost ghostly remains of once beautiful architecture and vintage cars and all that will change fast. My son went about 12 years ago and actually toured the island with a driver and he reported that it was depressingly poor with no real relief but since then, things have opened up. I hear the little restaurants people open in their homes have amazing, authentic cuban food.

    (To our resident Republican MGinSD, what an old fart you are. We tried your way for half a century and all it did was impoverish the people. Stupid.)
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    Sep 23, 2015 9:38 PM GMT
    If I could I would have gone there. But definitely go there even if you have to do it alone. All these Hiltons, Disneyland and Merridean you are not going to get much after few years. Enjoy it as it is. Cultural invasion can be a bitch.
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    Sep 24, 2015 1:43 AM GMT
    I was wondering if it might become an affordable place for retiring American expats. Being just 90 miles offshore, that could help solve some problems here while helping them to become capitalistic Republicans.

    [url]http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_cities.jsp?country1=United+States&country2=Cuba&city1=Miami%2C+FL&city2=Havana[/url]
    You would need around 2,357.75$ in Havana to maintain the same standard of life that you can have with 4,800.00$ in Miami, FL (assuming you rent in both cities). This calculation uses our Consumer Prices Including Rent Index. This comparison assumes net earnings (after income tax).

    Indices Difference

    Consumer Prices in Havana are 38.90% lower than in Miami, FL
    Consumer Prices Including Rent in Havana are 50.88% lower than in Miami, FL
    Rent Prices in Havana are 71.37% lower than in Miami, FL
    Restaurant Prices in Havana are 63.49% lower than in Miami, FL
    Groceries Prices in Havana are 58.46% lower than in Miami, FL
    Local Purchasing Power in Havana is 98.43% lower than in Miami, FL


    A while back I went to an exhibit of Michael Eastman's works on Cuba. Very beautiful. Here's some of that...

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    Sep 24, 2015 3:51 AM GMT
    Wonderful pictures... some of the architecture looks Moorish.

    theantijock saidI was wondering if it might become an affordable place for retiring American expats. Being just 90 miles offshore, that could help solve some problems here while helping them to become capitalistic Republicans.

    [url]http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_cities.jsp?country1=United+States&country2=Cuba&city1=Miami%2C+FL&city2=Havana[/url]
    You would need around 2,357.75$ in Havana to maintain the same standard of life that you can have with 4,800.00$ in Miami, FL (assuming you rent in both cities). This calculation uses our Consumer Prices Including Rent Index. This comparison assumes net earnings (after income tax).

    Indices Difference

    Consumer Prices in Havana are 38.90% lower than in Miami, FL
    Consumer Prices Including Rent in Havana are 50.88% lower than in Miami, FL
    Rent Prices in Havana are 71.37% lower than in Miami, FL
    Restaurant Prices in Havana are 63.49% lower than in Miami, FL
    Groceries Prices in Havana are 58.46% lower than in Miami, FL
    Local Purchasing Power in Havana is 98.43% lower than in Miami, FL


    A while back I went to an exhibit of Michael Eastman's works on Cuba. Very beautiful. Here's some of that...

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    c531873ed6b8387c-PradoFacadeHavanacopy.j

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    Sep 24, 2015 4:28 AM GMT
    ShiftyJK08 saidWonderful pictures... some of the architecture looks Moorish.


    Yeah, major Spanish influence in Cuba, they being the early colonizers, but also a mix of styles within that. Old Europe along with N Africa, Baroque made sad with age.

    The exhibit was wonderful. Those pictures are huge, I don't recall exactly, from memory I'd guess twice as tall as a person. So between the detail, clarity and size it really felt like spaces you could walk into, never mind that it drew the eye in. I remember feeling slightly disoriented at first.

    What really strikes me about the architecture especially in its current context is how revealing it is of past wealth. How telling of the time between.

    No doubt over time as economics improve there, perhaps through US travel, those buildings will start to be rehabbed. I think that's kind of a shame. Not that it wouldn't transform into something also beautiful but I think in the restoration history would be lost, even if the better buildings are all saved which hopefully they will be.

    I've not been but I'd imagine it must be a treasure trove to the senses for anyone who loves wandering through a city. That, and Cuban guys are hot.