Ketogenic Diet with more protein than fats and carbs

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    Sep 25, 2015 10:10 AM GMT
    So I'm doing this 6 week ketogenic diet where they actually encourage more protein intake rather than fats and then of course very little carbs.

    I think right now I'm having at max like 60 grams of carbs in a day but at the same time it's also low fat and higher protein intake.

    I'm at my 5th day and just to make the day extremely ridiculous a client comes into work and brings a giant marble chocolate cake as a gift for everyone.
    Kicking myself because I'd have at least 3 slices normally but I just refused to even look at it.

    THEN this rep comes in and brings everyone a giant sushi platter for lunch (I love sushi btw) and I was screaming "FOR FUCKS SAKE" in my head.

    Again had to walk away and not even look at it.
    Anyway this is me just venting about only being five days in and just wanting to stuff my face full of carbs and sugar basically.

    Diets are just such freaking pains in the ass.
    I mean the first three letters tell you to die for crying out loud!

    Okay just venting mostly about the urges.
    I literally will eat shit loads of lettuce (amongst other things of course) just so that I am too full to try think of bad foods that I'd rather eat.
  • pelotudo87

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    Sep 25, 2015 1:25 PM GMT
    Trying to stick to a diet is definitely difficult. I feel you. Just keep thinking about your goal: visualizing yourself accomplishing your goal, according to research, is one of the best ways to motivate yourself.

    However

    In terms of your ketogenic diet, you may want to examine your diet very closely. A diet can be low-carb but NOT ketogenic if your protein intake is too high. Excess protein can be converted to blood glucose, so if your protein intake is too high, you can unintentionally knock yourself out of ketosis. I don't know what percentage of your diet should be protein / how many grams per day would be too much right off the top of my head, but it's something which you may want to look into.

    ...but I will say that in my opinion, a ketogenic diet could work, and has worked, but is probably more trouble than it's worth: a long, slow diet with a good balance of protein, carbohydrates, and fats in which you gradually decrease calories is likely to be more sustainable long-term than a ketogenic diet.
  • PTNoge

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    Sep 25, 2015 3:35 PM GMT
    I'm not sure what pelotudo87 is talking about. You can check out my credentials, my PhD is in muscle metabolism. Yes, excess protein can be converted into glycogen or into energy, but this takes many steps and a lot of energy, but doesn't really get converted to glucose, so don't worry about that. I'd like to see peletudo87's source for that. Sounds like another gym myth. :-)

    As for the cravings, it takes about 1-2 weeks for your body to adjust from a mostly carb based diet to mostly protein based diet. As long as you don't already have kidney problems there is nothing wrong with a high protein ("ketogenic") diet. The reason it takes a week or two to adjust is that your body has to start making more enzymes to metabolize the protein.

    Cheers and good luck. I'm strong supporter of a higher protein diet than the typical American diet. In general, there is nothing wrong with getting most of your energy from protein rather than carbs. The reason we're a carb based society is that it's cheaper to produce and sell carbs than protein based foods.
  • InsatiableBlo...

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    Sep 25, 2015 3:48 PM GMT
    The ketogenic diet worked for a little while with me, but after about 2 months of <30 carbs per day I was just feeling worn out and tired all the time. It also made me really constipated despite eating lots of green veggies and slathering everything in coconut oil and olive oil.
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    Sep 25, 2015 6:09 PM GMT
    The Paleo diet works so unbelievably well and unlike what you are experiencing easy to stick too because it's not calorie or carb restrictive. No sugar or man made food in the diet but all the veggies, nuts, fruits, fat and meat you can get. If you have a whole plate of broccoli beef at lunch you don't want to eat crap.
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    Sep 25, 2015 6:53 PM GMT
    pelotudo87 saida long, slow diet with a good balance of protein, carbohydrates, and fats in which you gradually decrease calories is likely to be more sustainable long-term than a ketogenic diet.

    I lost about 20 pounds by going vegan (no dairy products, cheese, milk, etc. or eggs, and no meat), low fat, no sweets (candies, pastries, etc.), and watching what I ate so that it didn't have any added sugar. So it was all vegetables, whole grains, and legumes (beans). I drank soy milk so I probably got my protein that way. I lost about 2 pounds every other week or 3 weeks. The weight loss was slow but consistent.

    I didn't count calories or anything. I think the reduced calories were probably a result of it being a boring diet. After a while you just regard eating as merely putting food in your pie hole to stop the hunger and not for enjoyment, which is not necessarily a bad way to look at it if you've been indulging yourself.
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    Sep 25, 2015 7:55 PM GMT
    Lumpyoatmeal saidSo it was all vegetables, whole grains, and legumes (beans).

    I forgot fruit; I also ate fruit but not that much and it was probably mostly dried fruit.

    If I were to do it again, the next time I'd look at the glycemic index for everything and try to only eat things with a low glycemic index. And maybe not be too careful about the fats, as long as they were the so called good fats. But I have this hunch (completely unscientific) that avoiding what I think of as complex or slow calories (protein and fat) is part of what makes it work.
  • BuffGeezer

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    Sep 26, 2015 12:08 AM GMT
    As if you're not?

    If you're natty, you growth is pretty damn spectacular. But no need to be self- righteous.

    I followed a ketogenic diet for 24 weeks and lost a pound a week. Took 2 weeks to adjust. I made a half cup of oatmeal and consumed a teaspoon or two at each meal throughout the day. Was always mildly hungry but it was not debilitating, workout-wise.
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    Sep 27, 2015 2:53 AM GMT
    Thanks for the replies and support guys appreciate it icon_smile.gif

    It's been 1 week so far I've lost 4.1kg or roughly about 9 pounds.
    5 more weeks to go so I'm basically counting down the end of October!

    With this program they get me to eat proteins, carbs, fruits and veg at specific times with protein snacking in between main meals.

    They said generally on their program men on average lose between 5-15kgs or 11 to 33 pounds at the end of the 6 week program and that if you go back to eating some of the foods you used to eat (not full on back to your previous bad diet), your metabolism will stay reprogrammed for about 12 months still.

    So I'm looking forward to that because generally I'm not that bad of an eater but I do like to have small indulgences here and there.

    I have to send them a daily weigh in by text and they measure me at the end of every week so I am held accountable the whole time.

    I'm not that well researched in diets and fitness so I just decided to give it a go since I've never done something like this before.
    Gah 5 more weeks to go!!!

    Also yeah I did notice the day after the first time I started this kind of diet I woke up feeling super tired (I generally don't get more than 5 hours of sleep max in a night anyway) and I felt it the entire day.
    However at the end of the day my body got used to it and I still worked fine.

    Ever since that day my energy has been fine. It's not as much as I used to have (carbs and sugar are my favourite lol) but I'm still quite sprightly at work so I'm not that fussed about it.
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    Oct 22, 2015 5:11 PM GMT
    Not that it's particularly interesting but I figured I might as well update the progress of everything so far.

    I'm currently through my 5th week and the first week of re-stabilising my metabolism.
    Just one more week to go after this week ends and I've finished the 6 week program with promising results so far.

    It's been really great, I've almost lost 8kg so far in just 5 weeks and have lost 7 centimetres off my mid section and I still have one more week left icon_smile.gif
    This particular version of ketogenic diet was actually tailored for shredding my stored fat only while keeping lean muscle as is.

    The great part is that the life time maintenance is going to be super easy and that's not to say that I can't indulge in food every now and then.

    My metabolism is readjusting really well and I couldn't be happier with how everything is turning out so far!

    Anyway lol no big deal I suppose.
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    Oct 23, 2015 5:13 AM GMT
    You should probably buy keto strips to check if your in a state of ketosis. If your not putting your body in a state of ketosis whats the point of trying to eat low carb? Imo you should just eat in a caloric deficit and follow flexible dieting, instead of trying different types of diets. Imo its the best way to diet and stay sane/feel good.
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    Oct 23, 2015 5:57 AM GMT
    this reminds me of a video lol