51% of US Muslims Polled Want Sharia Law, Not the Constitution

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    Sep 26, 2015 2:57 PM GMT
    Let's see how this adds to the debate over whether letting 10K+ young male Muslims into the US is a good thing:
    https://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/2015/06/23/nationwide-poll-of-us-muslims-shows-thousands-support-shariah-jihad/

    By most definitions, "refugee" means one seeking shelter from harm, not those who seek to import it.
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    Sep 26, 2015 3:09 PM GMT
    And 29% of Americans still believe Obama is a Muslim.
    http://www.religionnews.com/2015/09/15/poll-20-percent-believe-barack-obama-was-born-outside-us/

    Stupidity, it seems, knows no religious bounds.
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    Sep 26, 2015 3:22 PM GMT
    MGINSD saidLet's see how this adds to the debate over whether letting 10K+ young male Muslims into the US is a good thing:
    https://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/2015/06/23/nationwide-poll-of-us-muslims-shows-thousands-support-shariah-jihad/

    By most definitions, "refugee" means one seeking shelter from harm, not those who seek to import it.


    Yep, my #1 world issue.

    And Obama wants to allow in up 100,000 Syrian refugees!

    Per year!
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    Sep 26, 2015 5:22 PM GMT
    ^
    This is just history repeating, along with the same (largely unwarranted) fears.

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  • tj85016

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    Sep 26, 2015 7:11 PM GMT
    yeah, well I didn't see 800 Catholics get trampled to death in Washington or New York

    Mecca, well that's a different story
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    Sep 26, 2015 8:31 PM GMT
    Ex_Mil8 said^
    This is just history repeating, along with the same (largely unwarranted) fears.

    [Trite, inflammatory, and irrelevant cartoon deleted.]

    Speaking of ships, this is a classic example of a shallow-draft analogy. Those Jews wrongly denied admission to the US didn't subscribe to a creed that advocated lying in order to advance itself, nor were they associated with violence, except that levied against them; so much for "unwarranted fears." The Muslims Obama wants to import to the US are completely different - and are rightly unwelcome here by those who know their history and think w/ their brains and not w/ their hearts. Look at what's happening in Minnesota and elsewhere where they've taken root and begun to prey on not just American citizens thru crime, but on American society thru their refusal to assimilate and insistence on imposing their own values on our culture. Let the Muslims look after their own.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Sep 26, 2015 8:55 PM GMT
    If some of these Muslims want to live under the outmoded Sharia law rather than accept and abide by our Constitution, than they have no legitimate right in the US. Go back to your backward, oppressive theocracy in the Middle East. It is that plain, pure, and simple.
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    Sep 26, 2015 9:24 PM GMT
    Ex_Mil8 saidAnd 29% of Americans still believe Obama is a Muslim.
    http://www.religionnews.com/2015/09/15/poll-20-percent-believe-barack-obama-was-born-outside-us/

    Stupidity, it seems, knows no religious bounds.


    He didn't kiss the popes hand so I do think he'd make a better Buddha than either a muslim or christian!
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    Sep 26, 2015 10:40 PM GMT
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    Ex_Mil8 saidAnd 29% of Americans still believe Obama is a Muslim.
    http://www.religionnews.com/2015/09/15/poll-20-percent-believe-barack-obama-was-born-outside-us/

    Stupidity, it seems, knows no religious bounds.


    He didn't kiss the popes hand so I do think he'd make a better Buddha than either a muslim or christian!


    President Obama wouldn't kiss the hand of the pope, and I do not think any US president or elected official ever has in a formal capacity. (Someone please correct me if I am wrong on that last part.) Kissing the hand/ring of the pope is a gesture of submission and a confirmation of allegiance. Only Catholics are expected to do this, or heads of states Catholicism is the official religion.

    On topic with this thread, I do agree that Muslims who want Sharia Law in this country should leave. When one religion becomes politically dominate, bad things happen not only to non-believers, and members of other religions, but sects within the religion that deviate from approved doctrine.

    The US is not a theocracy, and in spite of group and elected representatives attempting to dissolve the division, the separation of church and state is necessary to ensure freedom of religion. They have that. They have the freedom to practice their religion, but if Muslims or any other religion seeks to infringe upon the rights of others then they need to go.
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    Sep 27, 2015 12:10 AM GMT
    MGINSD saidLet's see how this adds to the debate over whether letting 10K+ young male Muslims into the US is a good thing:
    https://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/2015/06/23/nationwide-poll-of-us-muslims-shows-thousands-support-shariah-jihad/

    By most definitions, "refugee" means one seeking shelter from harm, not those who seek to import it.




    So we're supposed to use a telephone survey of 600 Muslims (out of 3 million) conducted by a well known anti-Muslim think tank (which is what the Center for Security Policy is) best known for their conspiracy theories to make policy? Oh brother.

    The problem with the survey is that it doesn't specify what parts of Shari'a (or the whole thing) these recipients have in mind that they support. Secondly, from the survey it's clear that most of the recipients believe it is personal guide with only a tiny minority thinking it should be law for everyone. If Muslims want to use divorce and property Shari'a in the way Hasidic and Orthodox Jews use Mosaic law or Catholics use Canon law, why the double standard?

    Secondly, the Syrian refugees are fleeing ISIS. Logically, if they wanted an Islamic state with Shari'a governing everyone including non-believers, they would join ISIS which is trying to create such a place.

    Thirdly EVERY culture doesn't assimilate the moment they arrive. I live in Brooklyn which STILL has Italian, Russian, Hasidic and ultra-Orthodox neighborhoods where people haven't and won't assimilate and still look after their own. I've lived in Southern California where the Taiwanese, Koreans and Mexicans form exactly the same communities. There were Swedish, German, Dutch, Polish and Greek neighbourhoods with tightly knit religious and social services for their own people for decades after they arrived. That's how immigration works. Assimilation happens over several generations and some groups (like ultra-Orthodox Jews) remain tied to different cultures and customs indefinitely. It's no different here.
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    Sep 27, 2015 12:38 AM GMT
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    MGINSD saidLet's see how this adds to the debate over whether letting 10K+ young male Muslims into the US is a good thing:
    https://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/2015/06/23/nationwide-poll-of-us-muslims-shows-thousands-support-shariah-jihad/

    By most definitions, "refugee" means one seeking shelter from harm, not those who seek to import it.


    So we're supposed to use a telephone survey of 600 Muslims (out of 3 million) conducted by a well known anti-Muslim think tank (which is what the Center for Security Policy is) best known for their conspiracy theories to make policy? Oh brother.

    The problem with the survey is that it doesn't specify what parts of Shari'a (or the whole thing) these recipients have in mind that they support. Secondly, from the survey it's clear that most of the recipients believe it is personal guide with only a tiny minority thinking it should be law for everyone. If Muslims want to use divorce and property Shari'a in the way Hasidic and Orthodox Jews use Mosaic law or Catholics use Canon law, why the double standard?

    Secondly, the Syrian refugees are fleeing ISIS. Logically, if they wanted an Islamic state with Shari'a governing everyone including non-believers, they would join ISIS which is trying to create such a place.

    Thirdly EVERY culture doesn't assimilate the moment they arrive. I live in Brooklyn which STILL has Italian, Russian, Hasidic and ultra-Orthodox neighborhoods where people haven't and won't assimilate and still look after their own. I've lived in Southern California where the Taiwanese, Koreans and Mexicans form exactly the same communities. There were Swedish, German, Dutch, Polish and Greek neighbourhoods with tightly knit religious and social services for their own people for decades after they arrived. That's how immigration works. Assimilation happens over several generations and some groups (like ultra-Orthodox Jews) remain tied to different cultures and customs indefinitely. It's no different here.


    You can take the survey's results or leave them; we don't have Sharia law yet and parsing methodology remains, for the time being, a legitimate form of criticism. But, the assimilation analogy fails on several counts. The fact that those whom you see as not assimilating in Brooklyn and SoCal aren't openly hostile towards their new country is first. Second, those same people are nowhere near as violent as Muslims in America have proved to be, even those purportedly fleeing Islam itself, and, given their and the Somalis' records, we don't need to let in 10K+ more to see how they turn out; to paraphrase Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes, "several generations of criminals is enough." Third, the groups you cite who "remain tied to different cultures and customs indefinitely" - a rather vague statement in itself - don't do so in hopes of supplanting the American culture, customs, and laws, with their own, as Muslims intent on imposing Sharia do wherever they go, throughout the host cultures. Sharia's reach would extend far beyond that of Mosaic or Canon law, so there's no "double standard." Instead, the differences are real and many, they're a matter of record, and those who can't or won't see them should not be positioned to propose social policy, let alone defend or enforce our laws.
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    Sep 27, 2015 12:47 AM GMT
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    You can take the survey's results or leave them; we don't have Sharia law yet and parsing methodology remains, for the time being, a legitimate form of criticism. But, the assimilation analogy fails on several counts. The fact that those whom you see as not assimilating in Brooklyn and SoCal aren't openly hostile towards their new country is first. Second, those same people are nowhere near as violent as Muslims in America have proved to be, even those purportedly fleeing Islam itself, and, given their and the Somalis' records, we don't need to let in 10K+ more to see how they turn out; to paraphrase Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes, "several generations of criminals is enough." Third, the groups you cite who "remain tied to different cultures and customs indefinitely" - a rather vague statement in itself - don't do so in hopes of supplanting the American culture, customs, and laws, with their own, as Muslims intent on imposing Sharia do wherever they go. The differences are many, they're a matter of record, and those who can't or won't see them should not be positioned to propose social policy, let alone defend or enforce our laws.


    Given the survey was based on questions put on behalf of a conservative anti-Muslim think tank, we know you will take the results (hook, line and sinker).

    What does "openly hostile" mean? Some American Muslims are "hostile", but most are not, just as some American Jews are "hostile", but most are not.

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    (Some Jews rejecting the US Constitution)

    I can think of several groups of Americans who "remain tied to different cultures and customs indefinitely". Here's one:

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    And another, who "do so in hopes of supplanting [or should that be "restoring"?] the American culture, customs, and laws".

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    Sep 27, 2015 3:02 AM GMT
    Neither Hasidic Jews, the Amish - trust me, I'm from IN, I know them - nor the Indians, whom some persist in calling "Native Americans," are advocating the hatred and violence towards American that too many Muslims, and most exponents of Sharia law, support. A picture may be worth a thousand words, but all yours do is scramble the lexicon.
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    Sep 27, 2015 6:15 AM GMT
    We'll achieve harmony and peace when all religions die.
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    Sep 27, 2015 6:26 AM GMT
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    Sep 27, 2015 3:06 PM GMT
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    Tell us about sharia law in the UK--- how is that working out?


    The law of the land (i.e. statute law, common law and case law) takes precedence over Muslim sharia law, just as it takes precedence over Church of England canon law.

    Is this where you post a link to some alarmist Daily Wail story?
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    Sep 27, 2015 3:09 PM GMT
    MGINSD saidNeither Hasidic Jews, the Amish - trust me, I'm from IN, I know them - nor the Indians, whom some persist in calling "Native Americans," are advocating the hatred and violence towards American that too many Muslims, and most exponents of Sharia law, support. A picture may be worth a thousand words, but all yours do is scramble the lexicon.


    Believe me, I understand your concerns. I haven't much time for religion of any sort. I don't have a simple answer for eradicating the scourge of Islamist extremism, but I am certain it won't be achieved by the West isolating and alienating all Muslims.
  • tj85016

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    Sep 27, 2015 10:06 PM GMT
    George Soros wants Europe to accept at least ONE MILLION refugees (aka Muslims) PER YEAR for the foreseeable future

    http://www.project-syndicate.org/print/rebuilding-refugee-asylum-system-by-george-soros-2015-09

    good luck with that Europe, nice knowin' ya
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    Sep 28, 2015 12:25 AM GMT
    George Soros needs to learn that even w/ all his money, he doesn't always get what he wants.
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    Sep 28, 2015 1:09 AM GMT
    I don't get it, Muslim groups want to flee their oppressive, backward homelands and move to both Europe and the U.S. so they can be free yet they want to impose their toxic fundamentalist fairy tale beliefs on all of us. Why don't they just stay in their own damned countries if they refuse to assimilateicon_question.gif
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    Sep 28, 2015 1:44 AM GMT
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    Sep 28, 2015 2:07 AM GMT
    good bye Europe, nice knowin' ya (dumb fools)
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    Sep 28, 2015 11:34 AM GMT
    tj85016 saidgood bye Europe, nice knowin' ya (dumb fools)
    I wouldn't say that too loud because the U.S. is most likely going to let these primitive minded, backward fools into our country at some point and you will be saying "goodbye USA" Horribly sad but true.
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    Sep 28, 2015 2:18 PM GMT
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    tj85016 saidgood bye Europe, nice knowin' ya (dumb fools)
    I wouldn't say that too loud because the U.S. is most likely going to let these primitive minded, backward fools into our country at some point and you will be saying "goodbye USA" Horribly sad but true.


    You're certain to see more of this.





    And I can't find the video of the gym wide fight in an LA Fitness in a Somalian 'burb of Minneapolis.

    We're not having quite the problems yet that happens in Minneapolis, but we have had 'community' wide brawls in some of our apartment complexes between Somalians and American blacks that resulted in many evictions.

    Given that section 8 is paying the rent and the Columbus Metro Housing Authority is picking up just about 100% of living expenses, it's pretty insulting to see the damage that certain folks do to our apartment 'communities'.

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    Sep 28, 2015 3:41 PM GMT
    roadbikeRob saidI don't get it, Muslim groups want to flee their oppressive, backward homelands and move to both Europe and the U.S. so they can be free yet they want to impose their toxic fundamentalist fairy tale beliefs on all of us. Why don't they just stay in their own damned countries if they refuse to assimilateicon_question.gif


    You don't get it because you are failing at using the word SOME. SOME do, but a great many do NOT want Sharia laws or niqabs or burkas.

    However, in some cases sharia law comes in very handy, especially against extremists of the same faith, lol.

    http://www.businessinsider.com/muslims-using-sharia-law-against-isis-2014-10