Anyone here NOT into crosses?

  • Wendigo9

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    Sep 27, 2015 7:19 AM GMT
    I'm spiritual but not religous, and want to know I'm not alone to say, I'm not looking to be converted while building new connections with people on here.

    To christians, catholics, mormons, and all others on the same path: respect all beliefs! no-one knows which one is right 'til we reach the other side.

    If I'm a bigot for this, look what christian based cultures did to those who were raised/believed differently: Austrailia, North & South America, Hawaii, etc...
  • wellwell

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    Sep 28, 2015 12:15 AM GMT
    Not me either.
  • FRE0

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    Sep 28, 2015 6:08 AM GMT
    I'm a Christian, but I think that how we treat each other is what God is primarily interested in.
  • Wendigo9

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    Sep 28, 2015 5:41 PM GMT
    Thanks preachy, I've done the research before and it's still religon trying to fit in. Many tribes were nearly wiped out because they stuck to their ancestral bloodlines and teachings of the world, and a trip to Six Nations lands opened my eyes to their version of "least we forget".
  • Lincsbear

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    Sep 28, 2015 9:47 PM GMT
    I was raised by Christian parents but not conventionally religious or a believer. But still interested in religion generally as a psychological/historical/cultural phenomenon.
    The more spiritual side of religion does attract me on a personal level.
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    Sep 29, 2015 12:51 AM GMT
    I am a believing Catholic and I do not see much preaching happening on RJ a..and I must be here for 10 years.
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    Sep 30, 2015 12:16 PM GMT
    All your cults promise something they never deliver, like 72 virgins in heaven, or eternal whatever.
    I have never met a smart religious person. You are either a lemming or you are not, your choice.
  • HottJoe

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    Sep 30, 2015 8:11 PM GMT
    WickedRyan saidI am a believing Catholic and I do not see much preaching happening on RJ a..and I must be here for 10 years.

    You must be here for a nonreligious reason then. Praise Jesus.
  • HottJoe

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    Sep 30, 2015 8:11 PM GMT
    smartmoney saidAll your cults promise something they never deliver, like 72 virgins in heaven, or eternal whatever.
    I have never met a smart religious person. You are either a lemming or you are not, your choice.

    qft
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    Oct 05, 2015 5:38 AM GMT
    ...why haven't I responded to this thread??

    Wendigo9 saidI'm spiritual but not religous, and want to know I'm not alone to say, I'm not looking to be converted while building new connections with people on here.


    I soooo want to bottle you up and use you as an example. Now, I don't know whether you mean "not religious" to mean you don't believe in a god (or gods), or if you mean you're not part of an organized religion (but do believe in a god or gods), but if it's the former, I'd shuffle you out there as an example that Atheist has nothing to do with a position on Spirituality. You can be a Spiritualist Atheist without any contradictions whatsoever! Course, it's fairly "un-sciencey" to be so, and science is one of the great reasons to be an Atheist, so...moving on.

    To christians, catholics, mormons, and all others on the same path: respect all beliefs! no-one knows which one is right 'til we reach the other side.


    Good point, well made, very true, plainly obvious--but a significant amount (if not majority) would likely disagree. A Christian doesn't point at Muslims and go, "Hey! We're on equal footing, cause neither of us knows for certain." It'd be a silly, frivolous, battle of the Agnostics that would go no where.

    Fundamentalists especially aren't going to listen to this--people who are brought up in a religion usually claim their religion is "the right religion", and that their particular brand or variety of that religion is specifically the "correct" brand or variety to follow.

    If I'm a bigot for this, look what christian based cultures did to those who were raised/believed differently: Austrailia, North & South America, Hawaii, etc...


    Hell, look at what Christian culture is doing today, attempting to deprive human beings of fundamental rights just because they have sex out of wedlock, or love someone of the same gender, or use condoms, or say "magic words" (like 'fuck'). Hell, speaking of condoms, if you want to see civilization being catastrophically affected by religion, look no further than Catholicism/Fundamentalist Christianity in Africa, or Fundamentalist Islam in the Middle East.
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    Oct 05, 2015 5:45 AM GMT
    smartmoney saidAll your cults promise something they never deliver, like 72 virgins in heaven, or eternal whatever.
    I have never met a smart religious person. You are either a lemming or you are not, your choice.


    I'm fairly in disagreement with you on this one, SmartMoney--I personally understand the point, and kind of agree from an emotional angle ("Why don't these people just see the obvious!?!?").

    But the truth of it is, most people are born into a religion, and aren't taught the critical thinking skills necessary to come to terms with their religion's authenticity--or, also common, they learn critical thinking skills, but have barriers constructed by their family or church to prevent them from turning those skeptical reasoning skills on to their religion. They just don't think about doing it, because they're trained not to--and if they do, they're trained to feel guilty for doing so.

    So I can't exactly blame people for being religious, because it's a deception that many of them were born into. And since I'm not a mind reader, I don't have the qualifications to determine whether someone is ignorant of their own religion due to willful ignorance, or whether it's because their brain was never sufficiently made open to receiving new information that might put their belief in jeopardy.

    As for the claim about "never having met a smart religious person," if you're not speaking (or, typing) hyperbole, remember just how many people on this planet are religious. You have lawyers, educators, doctors, surgeons, scientists, professionals from every field imaginable, who are religious--people with tremendous qualifications and experience in their field, doing wonderful things--saving lives, helping others. I think it rather an insult to accuse everyone who holds a religious belief, of not being smart.

    But again. If it was just hyperbole, then I won't paint crosshairs on you--though, I do wish hyperbole was used a lot less than it is now. Hyperbole is what leads to extremist reactions on both sides of an argument, and it makes no progress on issues whatsoever.
  • FRE0

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    Oct 05, 2015 6:58 PM GMT
    HottJoe said
    smartmoney saidAll your cults promise something they never deliver, like 72 virgins in heaven, or eternal whatever.
    I have never met a smart religious person. You are either a lemming or you are not, your choice.

    qft


    Yes, some use carrot and stick motivation which I see as inappropriate. It is a childish approach. Surely if we are acting simply out of fear of punishment God will be aware of it. It is much better to act out of love and respect for our fellow human beings than out of fear of punishment or hope for reward.

    I also think that concern for accuracy of belief is misplaced. No doubt we are all mistaken about many things. How we treat each other is much more important.
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    Oct 05, 2015 9:52 PM GMT
    FRE0 saidI also think that concern for accuracy of belief is misplaced. No doubt we are all mistaken about many things. How we treat each other is much more important.


    While I agree completely with what you typed, there's an underlying message that I kinda feel needs to be extracted and highlighted.

    It's true that we're all mistaken about something, and I agree that the way we treat others has great significance, mainly because our beliefs inform our actions (if you treat people with respect, it shows you believe people are worth respecting). However the flip side of that is since our beliefs inform our actions, our beliefs become more important because they're the foundation for our actions.

    Aside from that, you shouldn't be satisfied with knowing you may be mistaken about what you believe. If you feel you're mistaken about something, the honest thing to do is take another look at what you believe, and scrutinize it. Don't be satisfied with not knowing--go out and see if you can learn more about what you don't know, otherwise it's willful ignorance.

    But if you don't know what you don't know, that's okay, because you don't know what you wouldn't know in the first place. But if you have a belief, and you don't know why, that's an issue you need to address. And if you think you know why you believe something, take some time to give it a look-over every once and a while, to make sure it still holds up.
  • Kazachok

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    Oct 17, 2015 11:45 PM GMT
    Why yes, I am more into mjollnirs