Matt Damon Suggests Gay Actors In Hollywood Are More Successful If They Stay In The Closet

  • metta

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    Sep 28, 2015 8:06 PM GMT
    Matt Damon Suggests Gay Actors In Hollywood Are More Successful If They Stay In The Closet

    http://www.towleroad.com/2015/09/matt-damon-suggests-gay-actors-in-hollywood-are-more-successful-if-they-stay-in-the-closet/
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    Sep 28, 2015 10:57 PM GMT
    Unfortunately, its the same way in the STEM fields. Still too many homophobes, especially in management, despite the "nerdy-ness" appeal. Its been a very difficult balance between being gay and working any of this field, I can tell you from experience in STEM that I have been discriminated against more than once.

    My first problem is that I started in STEM when I was still in the closet. My second problem is that I came out while starting to work in STEM fields. If I had to do it all over again, I would have done more research into "gay friendly work", but without computers or internet, that was just not possible. I should have picked the world of finance where all the gays are now. No sense in beating myself up now over the woulda coulda.

    Much like Matt Damon's suggestion for Hollywood, I would suggest the same if there're any RJ gay people, especially young gay men, that are thinking of a career in the STEM fields. Advertisement or marketing the STEM fields to the gay community is very weak or non existent for a reason. Be careful what you choose to do for a living if you "know" for sure you are a homosexual and coming out. Otherwise and unfortunately, staying in the closet is recommended if you value this career. I learned from the school of hard knocks and homophobia in STEM continues to be a problem for me.

    I totally understand Hollywood especially from the "McCarthyism" perspective


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  • waccamatt

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    Sep 28, 2015 11:14 PM GMT
    I'd rather be an out dogcatcher than a closeted president.
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    Sep 29, 2015 12:31 AM GMT
    I guess I am a little confused and could use some enlightenment from people who know more. Modeling, Acting, Music and The Arts in general have A LOT of gay professionals, choreographers, writers etc. And there is definitely a liberal, gay mainstream tilt in Hollywood. This seems like homefield advantage for gay. So who exactly are the groups causing the discriminatory roadblocks? Producers? Company Executives?

    I'm not doubting that it happens, I just am wondering if we're close to overcoming that final hurdle or is this a much longer and tougher fight still?
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    Sep 29, 2015 12:40 AM GMT
    Well this is not really news. I think, most people who follow entertainment news already know about this. There is a strong homophobia presence in Hollywood, even though LA/Cali is a liberal place but the movie/biz industry is still a very conservative industry. There are many ways to look at it. If a leading man, turns out to be gay in real life, he won't pull in a large box office numbers. Look at Rupert Everett's career after he came out, like I only remembered him from that Movie with Julia Roberts. And then there was that year when the OScars for best pic DID NOT go to Brokeback Mountains but to CRASH.

    Rumors also had it that DANIEL CRAIG wanted James Bond to have a gay sex scene in Casino Royale but Producers REFUSED because of box office/female fans so he only got NAKED in that scene when le Chiffre tortured him. There are many talented gay people working in the industry but most of them are behind cameras with only a few exceptions like Ellen, Sean Hayes or gay actors who act very Stereotypical. But when straight actors Play gays, they love them and award them the OScars, look at Tom Hanks.

    So in the end, producers, directors and money talk and they all want to have a big office number thus they downplay a lot of **Gay characters unless it's a very strong indie film. I have a friend colleague, he's a Gay Chinese director who only cast gay guys and Asians/whites in his films and the last time I saw FB, he was like doing some money donations on kickstarter for his project. Like really, mainstream Hollywood won't pay attention to those. This would also explain why so many stupid actions flicks like Transformers got green-lighted.
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    Sep 29, 2015 12:49 AM GMT
    Oh and one more thing Rumors swirl for years that Tom Cruise is actually gay and he got married and divorced just to put on a show. Rumors had it that Tom's first serious bf was an Asian pilot for American Airlines in Chicago, he wanted Tom to come out but he refused then they broke up. Tom slept with Rob Thomas from Matchbox 20 but busted by Rob's wife, then they paid her hush money for not suing. Rumors also had that Nicole Kidman and Katie Holmes, both of the ex-wives did not like Tom to be so involved in Scientology well because frankly, it's one big secret gay orgy like that movie EYES WIDE SHUT. icon_redface.gificon_redface.gif Oh no, the gay mafia is coming after me now. icon_twisted.gificon_confused.gif
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    Sep 29, 2015 2:18 AM GMT
    woodfordr saidI guess I am a little confused and could use some enlightenment from people who know more. Modeling, Acting, Music and The Arts in general have A LOT of gay professionals, choreographers, writers etc. And there is definitely a liberal, gay mainstream tilt in Hollywood. This seems like homefield advantage for gay. So who exactly are the groups causing the discriminatory roadblocks? Producers? Company Executives?

    I'm not doubting that it happens, I just am wondering if we're close to overcoming that final hurdle or is this a much longer and tougher fight still?


    The production folk (casting directors) and the producers. In some cases, the commercial or the screenplay is the baby of one of more producers and they have in mind the kind of person to play the roles.

    "Gays" are EVERYWHERE in entertainment but are visibly dominate in wardrobe and hair/make-up. Also a growing presence in set dressing.
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    Sep 29, 2015 2:20 AM GMT
    http://www.npr.org/2014/06/12/321352613/former-bp-ceo-glass-closet-still-holds-many-gay-workers-back

    An interesting perspective from the former CEO of BP, who is campaigning for more workplace acceptance.
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    Sep 29, 2015 2:20 AM GMT
    LAXWill10 saidOh and one more thing Rumors swirl for years that Tom Cruise is actually gay and he got married and divorced just to put on a show. Rumors had it that Tom's first serious bf was an Asian pilot for American Airlines in Chicago, he wanted Tom to come out but he refused then they broke up. Tom slept with Rob Thomas from Matchbox 20 but busted by Rob's wife, then they paid her hush money for not suing. Rumors also had that Nicole Kidman and Katie Holmes, both of the ex-wives did not like Tom to be so involved in Scientology well because frankly, it's one big secret gay orgy like that movie EYES WIDE SHUT. icon_redface.gificon_redface.gif Oh no, the gay mafia is coming after me now. icon_twisted.gificon_confused.gif


    To be truthful, Scientology is not to be fucked with. Someone falls within their radar as a problem, they WILL take you out.
  • Falconcc_24

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    Sep 29, 2015 7:20 AM GMT
    Another way that this whole situation could be spun with the same words is that because of the growing and widening levels of acceptance, gay actors have no need to come out, or be outed, for being gay. Celebrities and well-known names are always going to be faced with a "damned-if-you-do/damned-if-you-don't" situation on the subject.
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    Sep 29, 2015 1:37 PM GMT
    In old Hollywood actors had to stay in the closet. The press would make deals with actors not to print private information in exchange for something else. It would ruin it for women if their leading guy was thought to be gay. Although there were many rumors about Rock Hudson and other actors, nobody wanted to believe it. On the other hand, behind the scenes gays like fashion designers, writers, makeup artists, etc. were very welcome.

    If they come out now they're mostly relegated to supporting or comic roles, usually not leading men. They probably should keep their lives private, but today it's difficult with all the tabloid press allowed to print whatever they want and cameras following them everywhere. Matt Damon and Michael Douglas both played gay in the "Liberace" movie, but I'm not sure how often two gay men have played straight in one movie.

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    Sep 29, 2015 3:10 PM GMT
    If Matt Damon had been a bit less dumb he would have said that straight actors should stay closeted as well.

    If I had been that reporter I would have asked him for some successful closeted actors. Because lord knows there are plenty of unsuccessful gay actors, out or not.
  • metta

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    Sep 29, 2015 3:26 PM GMT
    7 ugly implications of Matt Damon's comments about out gay actors


    https://www.yahoo.com/tv/s/7-ugly-implications-matt-damons-220000980.html
  • LJay

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    Sep 29, 2015 3:54 PM GMT
    I really wonder how many of you read the article/interview in addition to the headline!

    Damon makes the point that an actor's private life might best be just that and that he may be a better actor because of that. In other words, that the performance persona and the private persona can be two different things.

    The writer also makes the point that Damon does not fall into cliches while being interviewed. Whatever you think of him, he is more thoughtful, and insightful, than the headline implies.
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    Sep 29, 2015 3:57 PM GMT
    Matt Damon Clarifies Comments About Actors' Sexuality

    "I was just trying to say actors are more effective when they’re a mystery, right?” he told Ellen DeGeneres about having previously said actors shouldn't divulge their sexuality in the media. "And somebody picked it up and said I said gay actors should get back in the closet. Which is like, I mean it’s stupid, but it is painful when things get said that you don’t believe. You know what I mean? And then it gets represented that that’s what you believe.”

    Damon, who supports same-sex marriage, added that he believes it must be hard for talented, gay actors.

    "It’s just like any piece of gossip…and it put us in a weird position of having to answer, you know what I mean?" he explained. "Which was then really deeply offensive. I don’t want to, like [imply] it’s some sort of disease – then it’s like I’m throwing my friends under the bus. But at the time, I remember thinking and saying, Rupert Everett was openly gay and this guy – more handsome than anybody, a classically trained actor – it’s tough to make the argument that he didn’t take a hit for being out.”

    For this reason, the Oscar winner believes "you’re a better actor the less people know about you period. And sexuality is a huge part of that."

    "Whether you’re straight or gay, people shouldn’t know anything about your sexuality because that’s one of the mysteries that you should be able to play," Damon said.


    http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/matt-damon-clarifies-comments-actors-sexuality/story?id=34113273

    Is Damon trying to spin himself out of a mess, or does he have some valid points?
  • metta

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    Sep 29, 2015 4:01 PM GMT
    ^
    I don't think that is realistic and he knows that. They are in the 'public eye' and the entertainment 'news' talks about their personal lives all of the time.
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    Sep 29, 2015 5:37 PM GMT
    metta said^
    I don't think that is realistic and he knows that. They are in the 'public eye' and the entertainment 'news' talks about their personal lives all of the time.

    True. But there are many actors who keep their private lives fairly obscure, despite media digging. It may be a matter of nuance & degree. Who's really out there, and who's low key. And that can be about anything in their lives, not just about being gay.

    Some go high-profile with their charity work, some with their hard partying, some, intentional of not, regarding their brushes with the law and substance abuse. In that general sense Damon may be right (if that's really what he originally meant), that making yourself "neutral" could be best for an actor who must be believable in a wide variety of roles.
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    Sep 29, 2015 5:50 PM GMT
    grofte saidIf Matt Damon had been a bit less dumb he would have said that straight actors should stay closeted as well.

    If I had been that reporter I would have asked him for some successful closeted actors. Because lord knows there are plenty of unsuccessful gay actors, out or not.


    Successful closeted actors: Rock Hudson, Cary Grant
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    Sep 29, 2015 6:25 PM GMT
  • LJay

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    Sep 29, 2015 7:09 PM GMT
    Something in me wants to say BALDERDASH to Matt Baume. He seems incapable of understanding that there are different ways of dealing with it all. Not everyone wants to handle it his way.
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    Sep 29, 2015 7:14 PM GMT
    Art_Deco saidMatt Damon Clarifies Comments About Actors' Sexuality

    "I was just trying to say actors are more effective when they’re a mystery, right?” he told Ellen DeGeneres about having previously said actors shouldn't divulge their sexuality in the media. "And somebody picked it up and said I said gay actors should get back in the closet. Which is like, I mean it’s stupid, but it is painful when things get said that you don’t believe. You know what I mean? And then it gets represented that that’s what you believe.”

    Damon, who supports same-sex marriage, added that he believes it must be hard for talented, gay actors.

    "It’s just like any piece of gossip…and it put us in a weird position of having to answer, you know what I mean?" he explained. "Which was then really deeply offensive. I don’t want to, like [imply] it’s some sort of disease – then it’s like I’m throwing my friends under the bus. But at the time, I remember thinking and saying, Rupert Everett was openly gay and this guy – more handsome than anybody, a classically trained actor – it’s tough to make the argument that he didn’t take a hit for being out.”

    For this reason, the Oscar winner believes "you’re a better actor the less people know about you period. And sexuality is a huge part of that."

    "Whether you’re straight or gay, people shouldn’t know anything about your sexuality because that’s one of the mysteries that you should be able to play," Damon said.


    http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/matt-damon-clarifies-comments-actors-sexuality/story?id=34113273

    Is Damon trying to spin himself out of a mess, or does he have some valid points?


    He's 100% correct. Come on! He did the Talented Mr. Ripley and the Liberace movie. He's about as understanding as any straight man can be.

    Things may change, but right now he is right. I doubt Rupert Everett would disagree.
  • ScandalFan

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    Sep 29, 2015 7:31 PM GMT
    He rescinded that on a special appearance on the Ellen show yesterday. Said he was quoted out of context.
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    Sep 30, 2015 8:56 AM GMT
    The Guardian didn't like that very much... (surprise surprise)

    http://www.theguardian.com/film/2015/sep/29/matt-damon-hypocritical-gay-actor-comments
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    Oct 02, 2015 12:57 AM GMT
    Well, if they are in the closet, it will be more likely they can be found incognito in gay bars and baths - and successful actors these days tend to be very goodlooking.

    Just sayin . . .