Americans Agree On One Thing: Citizens United Is Terrible

  • metta

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    Sep 30, 2015 4:12 AM GMT
    Americans Agree On One Thing: Citizens United Is Terrible

    A clear majority of people would like to see the 2010 ruling overturned.

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    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/citizens-united-john-roberts_560acd0ce4b0af3706de129d
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    Sep 30, 2015 6:23 PM GMT
    metta saidAmericans Agree On One Thing: Citizens United Is Terrible

    A clear majority of people would like to see the 2010 ruling overturned.

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    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/citizens-united-john-roberts_560acd0ce4b0af3706de129d


    THIS American doesn't agree, but then I wasn't polled. Mark me in the "Good" column for the 4 questions asked. OTOH, kudos to the framers of the survey for noting that CU allowed both corps and unions to spend freely, not just corps, as the left usually portrays that decision.
  • tazzari

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    Sep 30, 2015 6:35 PM GMT
    Isn't that the GOP platform in a mirror?
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    Sep 30, 2015 6:57 PM GMT
    Ahhh!! The Land of the free...Oh! Say can you see, by the Dawn's early light...Abraham Lincoln and Malcolm X, both rolling in their graves?
  • FRE0

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    Sep 30, 2015 10:32 PM GMT
    The results of Citizens United are not good, but from the legal standpoint, I think it was the right decision. For many decades corporations have been considered people under the law. Now we have to find a way to overcome the results.

    If voters were influenced only by the issues and the candidates positions, then Citizens United would have little effect. The reason it has a bad effect is that voters are influenced by the constant repetition of silly slogans and sound bites which appear on television. Finding a way to include the actual source of finds in the political advertisements would help to mitigate the results. Other than that, probably only a constitutional amendment would solve the problem.
  • tj85016

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    Oct 01, 2015 3:16 AM GMT
    ^^

    For many decades? Dartmouth College v Woodward (1819)

    but the consequences have been catastrophic
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    Oct 01, 2015 4:55 AM GMT
    tazzari saidIsn't that the GOP platform in a mirror?


    Two mirrors
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    Oct 01, 2015 8:04 PM GMT
    FRE0 saidThe results of Citizens United are not good, but from the legal standpoint, I think it was the right decision. For many decades corporations have been considered people under the law. Now we have to find a way to overcome the results....


    That is not really the full characterization: Corporations are considered "artificial persons" as opposed to real people who are "natural persons." The Court's refusal to recognize the power of those two adjectives and their distinction and difference is the root of the problem with the decision. Pure and simple, the case was wrongly decided. Real people come from sperm and eggs. Corporations are creatures of statutes, so legislatures may give them any characteristics they choose to create the "artificial person," including restrictions on political expenditures. To focus on only the noun "person" and conclude there is therefore an entitlement to freedom of speech is just bad judicial policy and bad reasoning.