Sean Crumpler, from Aurora, CO, accused of keeping 12 male sex slaves, branding them with tattoos

  • metta

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    Oct 01, 2015 6:08 AM GMT
    Man accused of keeping 12 male sex slaves, branding them with tattoos

    "A Colorado man is accused of housing up to as many as dozen male runaways, offering them room and board in exchange for bareback sex and allegedly branding at least one of them with a tattoo.

    48-year-old Sean Crumpler (pictured) of Aurora, CO has been charged with 12 counts related to sex trafficking. According to sources, he “hunted” for victims on Grindr, specifically targeting homeless youth or young men in desperate need of assistance."


    http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2015/09/man-accused-of-keeping-12-male-sex-slaves-branding-them-with-tattoos/
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    Oct 01, 2015 2:23 PM GMT
    The article mentions he owns a motel in Thailand. Doesn't surprise me. And reminds me of an encounter I had with one of these guys who used Thailand's apparently laxer policies regarding young boy sex.

    This new guy who had started going to our gay club invited a number of us for a casual buffet supper and house party in Fargo, North Dakota. My late partner and some of our friends accepted, as he seemed like a friendly, outgoing fella.

    As I toured the house I went into his den, and on a coffee table was a collection of magazines featuring Thai boys in naked and half-dressed poses. And I literally mean BOYS, like 12 or 13. I was horrified.

    He entered and saw me flipping through one, and proudly told me he went to Thailand several times a year, where young boy-sex was legal. I was shocked at how open and proud he was about doing it, which he assured me was quite normal & acceptable there, not a crime. I wasn't so sure, and in any case having this material in the US was still likely illegal, no matter what the Thai laws were.

    I quietly went to tell me partner about what I'd seen and been told. He checked and came out of the den totally disgusted. We agreed to make our excuses and get the hell out of there. We also told some of our friends present, who likewise departed.

    Thereafter we kept our distance from him in the club, and the word got around. I don't think anyone went to his house anymore, not wanting to be in a place that displayed kiddie porn. Nor had much to do with him.

    I don't know if these guys are more common than we think. Certainly some, like him, would be difficult to detect in ordinary circumstances - you'd never guess about their private lives. Or, in his case, not even feeling he had to be very secretive about it within his home.

    Disgusting. Horrible for the victims, and horrible for our own reputation with the public as gay men. This fits all the perverted stereotypes the homophobes claim apply to most of us.
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    Oct 01, 2015 2:31 PM GMT
    just checked and looks like i had nothing to do with this
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    pellaz saidjust checked and looks like i had nothing to do with this

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    Oct 01, 2015 4:07 PM GMT
    Art_Deco saidThe article mentions he owns a motel in Thailand. Doesn't surprise me. And reminds me of an encounter I had with one of these guys who used Thailand's apparently laxer policies regarding young boy sex.

    This new guy who had started going to our gay club invited a number of us for a casual buffet supper and house party in Fargo, North Dakota. My late partner and some of our friends accepted, as he seemed like a friendly, outgoing fella.

    As I toured the house I went into his den, and on a coffee table was a collection of magazines featuring Thai boys in naked and half-dressed poses. And I literally mean BOYS, like 12 or 13. I was horrified.

    He entered and saw me flipping through one, and proudly told me he went to Thailand several times a year, where young boy-sex was legal. I was shocked at how open and proud he was about doing it, which he assured me was quite normal & acceptable there, not a crime. I wasn't so sure, and in any case having this material in the US was still likely illegal, no matter what the Thai laws were.

    I quietly went to tell me partner about what I'd seen and been told. He checked and came out of the den totally disgusted. We agreed to make our excuses and get the hell out of there. We also told some of our friends present, who likewise departed.

    Thereafter we kept our distance from him in the club, and the word got around. I don't think anyone went to his house anymore, not wanting to be in a place that displayed kiddie porn. Nor had much to do with him.

    I don't know if these guys are more common than we think. Certainly some, like him, would be difficult to detect in ordinary circumstances - you'd never guess about their private lives. Or, in his case, not even feeling he had to be very secretive about it within his home.

    Disgusting. Horrible for the victims, and horrible for our own reputation with the public as gay men. This fits all the perverted stereotypes the homophobes claim apply to most of us.


    I'll start by being upfront in sharing your opinion about being sexual with people under 18.

    But other people, especially in Asia and Europe, may not. In fact, they may see the attitude as further evidence of an "upstart, young country" American puritanical arrogance. There are multiple WORLD-WIDE perspectives regarding age and sexuality.
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    FitBlackCuddler said
    I'll start by being upfront in sharing your opinion about being sexual with people under 18.

    But other people, especially in Asia and Europe, may not. In fact, they may see the attitude as further evidence of an "upstart, young country" American puritanical arrogance. There are multiple WORLD-WIDE perspectives regarding age and sexuality.

    I know I can be accused of having a US-centric opinion of these things. But maybe in some regards we are right. Along with most of the Americas and Europe.

    Childhood is for children. It is not for adults to intrude upon for their own more mature sexual pleasures, for which kids are not yet ready. And I am far from being Puritanical. Or else I wouldn't be an out gay man who's had appropriate-age sexual experiences that would curl the toes of any proper Puritan.

    But children are off-limits. Here in the US, or anywhere. Children are the same everywhere. And if certain societies & governments don't recognize that, it's their failure, not mine.
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    Oct 01, 2015 4:26 PM GMT
    I'm confused. Homeless youth, yet they have Grindr?
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    Oct 01, 2015 5:10 PM GMT
    Razvigor saidI'm confused. Homeless youth, yet they have Grindr?

    If they're gay, perhaps. You can buy a basic flip phone without a contract or credit check, with a monthly usage card, for very little. Some agencies give free cell phones to the indigent, to help them job hunt, and to stay in contact with them to check on their status. Nothing prevents a gay kid from going on Grindr to hustle. Many of them are desperate.
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    Oct 02, 2015 12:06 AM GMT
    Art_Deco said
    FitBlackCuddler said
    I'll start by being upfront in sharing your opinion about being sexual with people under 18.

    But other people, especially in Asia and Europe, may not. In fact, they may see the attitude as further evidence of an "upstart, young country" American puritanical arrogance. There are multiple WORLD-WIDE perspectives regarding age and sexuality.

    I know I can be accused of having a US-centric opinion of these things. But maybe in some regards we are right. Along with most of the Americas and Europe.

    Childhood is for children. It is not for adults to intrude upon for their own more mature sexual pleasures, for which kids are not yet ready. And I am far from being Puritanical. Or else I wouldn't be an out gay man who's had appropriate-age sexual experiences that would curl the toes of any proper Puritan.

    But children are off-limits. Here in the US, or anywhere. Children are the same everywhere. And if certain societies & governments don't recognize that, it's their failure, not mine.


    I agree with you Art. Having sex with a 12 year old boy... serves a one way purpose... to please the horny adult. It doesn't take into consideration the child's welfare or emotions or mental abilities. If that makes us "arrogant", I suddenly don't mind being arrogant.
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    Oct 02, 2015 1:55 AM GMT
    FitBlackCuddler said
    Art_Deco saidThe article mentions he owns a motel in Thailand. Doesn't surprise me. And reminds me of an encounter I had with one of these guys who used Thailand's apparently laxer policies regarding young boy sex.

    This new guy who had started going to our gay club invited a number of us for a casual buffet supper and house party in Fargo, North Dakota. My late partner and some of our friends accepted, as he seemed like a friendly, outgoing fella.

    As I toured the house I went into his den, and on a coffee table was a collection of magazines featuring Thai boys in naked and half-dressed poses. And I literally mean BOYS, like 12 or 13. I was horrified.

    He entered and saw me flipping through one, and proudly told me he went to Thailand several times a year, where young boy-sex was legal. I was shocked at how open and proud he was about doing it, which he assured me was quite normal & acceptable there, not a crime. I wasn't so sure, and in any case having this material in the US was still likely illegal, no matter what the Thai laws were.

    I quietly went to tell me partner about what I'd seen and been told. He checked and came out of the den totally disgusted. We agreed to make our excuses and get the hell out of there. We also told some of our friends present, who likewise departed.

    Thereafter we kept our distance from him in the club, and the word got around. I don't think anyone went to his house anymore, not wanting to be in a place that displayed kiddie porn. Nor had much to do with him.

    I don't know if these guys are more common than we think. Certainly some, like him, would be difficult to detect in ordinary circumstances - you'd never guess about their private lives. Or, in his case, not even feeling he had to be very secretive about it within his home.

    Disgusting. Horrible for the victims, and horrible for our own reputation with the public as gay men. This fits all the perverted stereotypes the homophobes claim apply to most of us.


    I'll start by being upfront in sharing your opinion about being sexual with people under 18.

    But other people, especially in Asia and Europe, may not. In fact, they may see the attitude as further evidence of an "upstart, young country" American puritanical arrogance. There are multiple WORLD-WIDE perspectives regarding age and sexuality.


    Thank you.
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    Oct 02, 2015 1:59 AM GMT
    Art_Deco said
    FitBlackCuddler said
    I'll start by being upfront in sharing your opinion about being sexual with people under 18.

    But other people, especially in Asia and Europe, may not. In fact, they may see the attitude as further evidence of an "upstart, young country" American puritanical arrogance. There are multiple WORLD-WIDE perspectives regarding age and sexuality.

    I know I can be accused of having a US-centric opinion of these things. But maybe in some regards we are right. Along with most of the Americas and Europe.

    Childhood is for children. It is not for adults to intrude upon for their own more mature sexual pleasures, for which kids are not yet ready. And I am far from being Puritanical. Or else I wouldn't be an out gay man who's had appropriate-age sexual experiences that would curl the toes of any proper Puritan.

    But children are off-limits. Here in the US, or anywhere. Children are the same everywhere. And if certain societies & governments don't recognize that, it's their failure, not mine.


    First internet search

    16
    The age at which you can legally have sex. In England, Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales we have to be 16 or older to have homosexual (gay) or heterosexual (straight) sex. 'Sex' means penetrative sex, oral sex or masturbating together.

    Second internet search

    The ages of consent vary by jurisdiction across Europe. The ages of consent are currently set between 14 and 18. The vast majority of countries set their ages in the range of 14 to 16; only five countries, Ireland (17), Cyprus (17), Malta ( 18 ), Turkey ( 18 ) and Vatican ( 18 ), do not fit into this pattern.
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    Oct 02, 2015 2:06 AM GMT
    What is the age of consent in China (more populous than the United States and much older)

    14
    In China, the age of consent is 14, while in Japan it is 13.
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    Oct 02, 2015 2:06 AM GMT
    [quote]Art_Deco said And if certain societies & governments don't recognize that, it's their failure, not mine. [/quote]

    Agreed, especially when that guy is American. Some men need to stop hiding in the margins of the law. When someone says "but it's legal", most people's first instinct, rightly so, is to wonder what reprehensible thing is being rationalized here.
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    Oct 02, 2015 2:11 AM GMT
    "Pay me millions of dollars because I had sex with someone over 18," say the Chinese, the Russians, the Japanese, and the Mexicans.

    People in China (age of consent 14) and Russia (age of consent 16) and Japan (age of consent 13) are probably thinking, really?

    Age of consent in Mexico

    12
    The federal law establishes the age of 12 as the minimum age of consent, while the age at which there are no restrictions for consensual sexual activities is 18 (sex with someone 12-18 is not illegal per se, but can still be open to prosecution under certain circumstances).

    Brazil - 14
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    Oct 02, 2015 2:14 AM GMT
    StephenOABC said"Pay me millions of dollars because I had sex with someone over 18," say the Chinese, the Russians, the Japanese, and the Mexicans.

    People in China (age of consent 14) and Russia (age of consent 16) and Japan (age of consent 13) are probably thinking, really?

    Age of consent in Mexico

    12
    The federal law establishes the age of 12 as the minimum age of consent, while the age at which there are no restrictions for consensual sexual activities is 18 (sex with someone 12-18 is not illegal per se, but can still be open to prosecution under certain circumstances).

    Brazil - 14


    Canada: 16

    The Tackling Violent Crime Act raises the legal age of sexual consent in Canada to 16 from 14, the first time it has been raised since 1892. But the law includes a "close-in-age exception," meaning 14- and 15-year-olds can have sex with someone who is less than five years older.
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    Oct 02, 2015 2:18 AM GMT
    lol the age of consent in Mexico is 12?

    predators
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    Oct 02, 2015 2:22 AM GMT
    Legal Minimum Age of Consent - Male

    Croation - 14
    Cote d'Ivoire - 15
    Cuba - 16

    Currently, the age of consent for penetrative sex, oral sex and mutual masturbation in the United Kingdom is 16 years. (I thought it was 17.)

    US

    Each U.S. state (and the District of Columbia) has its own age of consent. Currently state laws set the age of consent at 16, 17, or 18. The most common age is 16.
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    Oct 02, 2015 2:35 AM GMT
    The fact that something is legal does not make it right.
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    Oct 02, 2015 3:04 AM GMT
    Yes, yes. Horrible guy. Did a horrific thing. Burn him at the stakes.

    But how is it possible that he finds "homeless youth" in the richest country on earth? How is it possible that this monster not only found marks, but they willingly joined him in his tragic lair?

    Why is it that so many gay youths were desperate enough to join this man? Isn't that the real scandal?
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    Oct 02, 2015 5:19 AM GMT
    See, that's the problem with certain guys. There are certain gay men out there who prey on the homeless, the down on their luck, the easily manipulated. They can't go for someone who's independent, strong minded, and knows who they really are.

    Denver has a very bad homeless problem. I know a friend who is employed, makes $20 an hour, has a new car...and is homeless. High rents+Smoking weed+bad money management=Can't hold down a place to live
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    Oct 02, 2015 6:26 AM GMT
    Reading the story as reported in a "real" news source, one learns that he is really charged with having sex with two underage guys (16 year olds).

    Stupid on his part. If he wanted sex with 16 year olds, he should have gone to places where that is legal - Canada and most of Europe, or Thailand (where he owned a motel).
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    Oct 02, 2015 6:31 AM GMT
    FitBlackCuddler said
    Art_Deco saidThe article mentions he owns a motel in Thailand. Doesn't surprise me. And reminds me of an encounter I had with one of these guys who used Thailand's apparently laxer policies regarding young boy sex.

    This new guy who had started going to our gay club invited a number of us for a casual buffet supper and house party in Fargo, North Dakota. My late partner and some of our friends accepted, as he seemed like a friendly, outgoing fella.

    As I toured the house I went into his den, and on a coffee table was a collection of magazines featuring Thai boys in naked and half-dressed poses. And I literally mean BOYS, like 12 or 13. I was horrified.

    He entered and saw me flipping through one, and proudly told me he went to Thailand several times a year, where young boy-sex was legal. I was shocked at how open and proud he was about doing it, which he assured me was quite normal & acceptable there, not a crime. I wasn't so sure, and in any case having this material in the US was still likely illegal, no matter what the Thai laws were.

    I quietly went to tell me partner about what I'd seen and been told. He checked and came out of the den totally disgusted. We agreed to make our excuses and get the hell out of there. We also told some of our friends present, who likewise departed.

    Thereafter we kept our distance from him in the club, and the word got around. I don't think anyone went to his house anymore, not wanting to be in a place that displayed kiddie porn. Nor had much to do with him.

    I don't know if these guys are more common than we think. Certainly some, like him, would be difficult to detect in ordinary circumstances - you'd never guess about their private lives. Or, in his case, not even feeling he had to be very secretive about it within his home.

    Disgusting. Horrible for the victims, and horrible for our own reputation with the public as gay men. This fits all the perverted stereotypes the homophobes claim apply to most of us.


    I'll start by being upfront in sharing your opinion about being sexual with people under 18.

    But other people, especially in Asia and Europe, may not. In fact, they may see the attitude as further evidence of an "upstart, young country" American puritanical arrogance. There are multiple WORLD-WIDE perspectives regarding age and sexuality.


    Okay, I'm gonna go ahead and say I think that USA's age of consent of 18 is a bit high but I don't in any way think it's wrong to criticize a country for having 12 as an age of consent.

    Sweden has 15, but adults who go for people that age are still pretty stigmatized. So no, at least for Sweden, not a lot of people would think an American is being "so puritanical" for thinking it's weird a male that's 30+ to go for a 15-year-old. And if it's 12 it really does still constitute for pedophilia in Sweden.

    Spain just this July raised the age of consent from 12 to 16, which before had the lowest age of consent in Europe from what I know.

    Honestly, sure some people might be ready for sex at 12 but that's a huge "maybe". Even if they are, I don't think an adult person is the right person for that person to experiment their sexuality with. And this is considering that I'm extremely liberal in almost any other topic; I still don't think THIS is the issue we should just say "oh, well it's their culture, let's not try impose ourselves too much".
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    Oct 02, 2015 4:48 PM GMT
    FuzzyPecs27 said I know a friend who is employed, makes $20 an hour, has a new car...and is homeless.


    HOW is this possible? There will ALWAYS be SOMEWHERE to live if you have a regular income.
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    FuzzyPecs27 said I know a friend who is employed, makes $20 an hour, has a new car...and is homeless.


    HOW is this possible? There will ALWAYS be SOMEWHERE to live if you have a regular income.


    He did say: 'High rents+Smoking weed+bad money management=Can't hold down a place to live."


    No other article refers to slaves. Most of the 'boys' are of legal age, except 2. Then there's the HIV angle.
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    Oct 02, 2015 10:36 PM GMT
    timmm55 said
    FitBlackCuddler said
    FuzzyPecs27 said I know a friend who is employed, makes $20 an hour, has a new car...and is homeless.


    HOW is this possible? There will ALWAYS be SOMEWHERE to live if you have a regular income.


    He did say: 'High rents+Smoking weed+bad money management=Can't hold down a place to live."


    No other article refers to slaves. Most of the 'boys' are of legal age, except 2. Then there's the HIV angle.


    If he said that, he sounds entitled/irresponsible. What about staying at the YMCA or renting a SRO/room in a house with kitchen/shower privileges. Homelessness is NO JOKE.