Protein... any recommendations?

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    Oct 06, 2007 10:36 AM GMT
    I'm starting the Lean and Strong 12-week program. I know I'll need to up my protein intake to support muscle growth, and I know the more muscle I build the more fat I'll burn.

    I would appreciate some recommendations on protein supplements. Are the powders better than the pre-made shakes? Which one(s) taste best? Are any of them more effective than others? Are any of them likely to slow fat loss?

    Any and all input welcome, guys. Thanks!

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    Oct 06, 2007 12:19 PM GMT
    I like to sweeten and flavor my protein shakes myself, so I buy pure whey protein powder in bulk at a fraction the price of packaged retail products.

    Obscenewish gets his from http://proteinfactory.com/.

    I get mine from https://www.trueprotein.com/
  • Starboard

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    Oct 06, 2007 6:07 PM GMT
    I'm not as organized as paradox and Obscenewish so I go for the flavored powders. When I'm trying to gain weight, I go for CytoGainer (vanilla) -- it mixes well and is low in sugar for the protein/calorie ratio of each shake. On the low carb end, I like Ispopure (zero carb, vanilla). Dorian Yates ProPeptide (chocolate) tastes just like chocolate milk when mixed with water. I stay away from the MuscleMilk products because of the sugar/fat content but their Root Beer Float is the next best thing to splurging on a somewhat healthy dessert.
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    Oct 06, 2007 7:49 PM GMT
    Isopure is tastes great! They have low and zero carb versions too. Mixes very easily as well!
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    Oct 06, 2007 9:12 PM GMT
    paradoz if you go to a catering company you can get some great natural falvours to add in if ya buy bulk

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    Oct 06, 2007 9:14 PM GMT
    Thanks for the suggestions so far, guys! I'll check them all out. Flavoring and sweetening my own sounds like a very do-able option... and the Isopure and Dorian Yates stuff sounds interesting, too.

    I've used Myoplex before and it tasted pretty good, but the problem I have is that, even mixed in water, its way too thick and gloopy. Sometimes, it was all I could do to get the stuff down. Of course, its worse in milk... much, much worse... icon_eek.gif

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    Oct 06, 2007 9:29 PM GMT
    I had the same experience with Myoplex, Nativedude...it reminded me of the consistency of cake batter when mixed with water. The options I listed in my earlier post all mix well with water. Lately I've been adding a tablespoon of flaxseed oil to my protein shakes...it alters the taste a bit...you've probably figured this out, but if you use refrigerator-cold water, it's much easier to get "nasty tasting stuff" down!
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    Oct 06, 2007 9:37 PM GMT
    bfg, I flavor my whey protein shakes with fruit juice concentrate, powdered freeze-dried berries, or cocoa powder with instant coffee. Maple syrup is my sweetener of choice.
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    Oct 07, 2007 12:24 AM GMT
    Iso Pure vote here....

    I use the low carb choc. powder.

    Obscenewish's link looks great, though I can barely navigate to the item that may suit me best!
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    Oct 09, 2007 8:15 AM GMT
    Looks like I'm going to give Isopure a try... at least to start with. So many have recommended it here and in emails.

    Thanks again for all your suggestions, guys!

    For those that use Isopure... I've been doing some price comparison... $29.95 for 5 pounds at Amazon...

  • MikemikeMike

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    Oct 09, 2007 4:56 PM GMT
    probably cheapest on www.dpsnutrition.com , but 29.99 sounds really cheap!
    I like On whey protein chocolate flavor with vanilla soy milkicon_exclaim.gif
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    Oct 09, 2007 6:04 PM GMT
    been using goat whey....easily mixes in water...no lactose side affects....
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    Oct 09, 2007 9:18 PM GMT
    Im amazed that this programme if promoting a fat burn of the proportion you are suggesting elsewhere is recomending any protein shakes if at all.

    Most guys only need 20% of the protein they consume anyway to build muscle and the rest is just expensive fuel. And fuel without any substance that isnt gonna keep your belly full when trying to burn off the fat.

    I never get the idea that if you are over weight you feel you can master two diametricaly opposed bodily functions in one go ie lose fat and build muscle. To me its a simple recipe for not achieving a goal and havent come across anyone have any significant returns yet when trying this approach they manage mediocre with both
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    Oct 09, 2007 9:45 PM GMT
    Well said there bfg1.

    Sometimes...the most obvious solution is the right one.
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    Oct 10, 2007 10:02 AM GMT
    Maybe I need to clarify my reasoning behind supplementing my protein intake...

    Why do I want to supplement my protein? Because in discussions with my doctor, he has suggested that I increase my protein intake. I don't get enough now, and after we checked out my nutrition plan for losing weight, factoring in the fact that I'll be working out with weights as well as my age, estimated muscle loss due to age/not working out, etc... it was clear I would not be getting enough protein. He has a nutritionist on staff, and the three of us together worked out how much I will need...

    Do I expect to build muscles like chuckystud's while losing weight? No. Do I expect to gain some muscle in the process? Yes, because that's what weight training does by definition. You injure the muscle tissue by lifting weights and, with proper nutrition, the body repairs it by building more muscle. The amount of muscle added, though certainly nothing to call Mr. Olympia about, will help to raise my metabolism and burn more fat. I'll work on the real gains in muscle once my fat loss goal has been reached...

    I've been down this road before. Trust me... I have no delusions or unrealistic expectations. icon_wink.gif
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    Oct 10, 2007 10:56 AM GMT
    sorry Native my response wasnt suppose to be dissuading I just didnt get why you were doing what you are doing. If yuo know your calorie intake and your macro nutrient requirements and there is deficit in protein ie less that 1g per kg of body weight then fair enough.

    You will indeed create a better quality of the muscle but either way you will not build or add bulk you will retain what you have.

    Now you could say that with reduced body fat your muscles will actualy look biger. Indeed look at chuckys current piccys, (no offence here) but he isnt cut at the second and he is obviously on an excess eating plan and the muscles are indeed bigger however they are rounded through excess fat.

    Now compare that to the cut piccys, where he would have no doubt compromised some muscle size but the muscles are more defined and actualy look bigger and harder.

    Without excess calories you will not add and significant amount of muscle and it is a very difficult balancing act to follow.

    What you could do though is lose the fat and retain lean muscle mass which is what Chucky would aim to achieve when on a cut.

    Insignificant achievements cause us to fail and seek to vary things that are not working, whereas the truth is its the lack of clarity in a goal.

    Yikes again I hope that doesnt sound like I am preaching its not my intention at all just wanna see you achieve your goal Mr

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    Oct 11, 2007 8:45 AM GMT
    Nope... you don't sound preachy at all, bfg1... and your previous post wasn't dissuading. It did, however, make me realize that I might need to better explain what I am undertaking and for what reasons. And yes, the goal is exactly to raise the protien intake to the levels you mentioned, as I'm getting only slightly more than half that now.

    I agree entirely with what you've said just now... and its pretty much in line with my long-range goals. Right now, I just want to get the nutrition levels up to par, maintain the muscle I have hiding under this layer of fat, whilst losing the fat. Once I've achieved that, we'll see what needs to be done next.

    I do know that, while chucky's physique is quite impressive, its a bit more muscle/bulk than I'd feel comfortable carrying around. I'm trying to think of an example of my long-term goal... something I've had before and know I can get back to... more along the lines of say, KnowName, though I only had a six pack whereas he appears to have at least an eight pack (way to go, KnowName!) and is a bit more cut than I ever achieved in the past. But again, that's a future goal, not a current one.

    I do appreciate your concern, support and advice. Sorry for not clarifying the situation from the start. Sometimes I forget that I need to do that. icon_redface.gif
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    Oct 13, 2007 8:10 PM GMT
    Bravo to the posts everyone....

    Native, good luck, it's a rough journey but you'll get there if you've got a sound mind about it. Keep us posted on how you fare with it.
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    Nov 06, 2007 10:23 PM GMT
    I make a protein shake/smoothie each morning (half w/breakfast, and the other half for later as a snack).

    I do it for the extra calories & protein. I counted up my daily intake of both every day for two weeks, and figured out that I wasn't consuming close to what I should for my goals - I'm generally not hungry, so if I don't make myself eat avery couple of hours, I'll just forget.

    However...a few weeks ago I switched protein powders, and suddenly I started feeling really anxious all the time...I was having trouble sleeping, and my mind was constantly racing. I thought it was from depression at first, but then one weekend I didn't use the protein powder, and the anxiety went away. Weird?!

    It didn't have any stimulants in it (I wouldn't have taken it if it did), so I was really confused. Then I read some stuff online about some adverse reaction to Creatine that people had, causing the same side effects. I'm guessing that was the case here.

    Anyway, my point was just to chime in as say that if you only need a protein supplement, go for one without all the additional supplements if you can.
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    Nov 15, 2007 2:49 PM GMT
    Here's a question...

    Can anyone recommend a 100% protein powder (no additional supplements) that has no artificial sweeteners in it? No saccharin, sucralose, etc.
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    Nov 15, 2007 3:45 PM GMT
    proteinfactory.com

    You can order the powder any way you want it.
  • in773guy

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    Nov 15, 2007 3:46 PM GMT
    Hey, the best web site I have found for everything at way better prices than a GNC or place like that is....
    Allstarhealth.com
    I use the Cytogainer (milk chocolate) it's really tastes good.