Two Faces of the Pope:- When Not Kissing Infants He's Getting Rid of Priests who Minister to Gay Congregations

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    Oct 01, 2015 6:29 PM GMT
    (And when not secretly meeting and praising bigots like Kim Davis -).

    Father Jack McClure, a principal priest to the predominantly gay congregation at San Francisco's Most Holy Redeemer Church, was just fired (and can no longer celebrate Mass), because he attended a conference on the ordination of women.

    Silly man, McClure, to think that the Pope would allow priests to have minds and think.

    http://angelqueen.org/2015/09/30/what-took-so-long-most-holy-redeemer-priest-ousted/
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    Oct 02, 2015 7:05 PM GMT
    robbaker saidyou all should be grateful that pope came out for all you gay men and accepts you all for loving them boys what more do you want from the pope?icon_mad.gif

    Most of us gay men want nothing from the pope - nor anymore from the homophobic you. You're just one more asshole to put on ignore. Why don't you find a site where your someone might actually be interested in what you have to write?
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    Oct 02, 2015 9:10 PM GMT
    So the Church should tolerate priests who lied during their ordination when the claimed to believe something they did not?The Church has said definitively that women can cannot be ordained to the clerical state.This is not a mainline Protestant church where Dogma is voted on every few years.The priest made clear by his presence at that conference that he does not believe the Church's teaching.By the way the Archbishop of San Francisco sack d him not the Pope.I had the honor of being at a gorgeous Solemn High Mass he offered in NYC just today!☺️
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    Oct 03, 2015 3:33 AM GMT
    Some of us had a similar conversation today. Prompted by the pending retirement of the President/CEO of South Florida's largest food pantry and thrift store dedicated to HIV/AIDS clients, with whom we were sitting.

    And several guys were reminiscing about the Catholic priest who founded the organization all on his own, nearly 30 years ago. Still on the board in emeritus status. An effort for which the archdiocese of Miami ousted him from his priestly duties, although I don't think he was ever formally defrocked.

    While other priests were molesting children of both sexes, without punishment, this man was improving the lives of people with HIV. But HIV was exclusively associated with gay men at that time, a group the Roman Catholic Church would have nothing to do with.

    And so he's the one who was ostracized, not the child molesters. But the organization he founded quickly grew with him as its first head, and he was rewarded with the income, health care, and other benefits the Church had stripped from him.

    Yet he never accepted very much, just what he needed to live. He's no televangelist millionaire. He remained true to his vow of poverty. He's a legend here, and if you ask anyone in our gay community who "Father Bill" is they're likely to tell you. The Church may have expelled him, but LGBT accepted & honor him.

    http://www.poverello.org/portal/
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    Oct 03, 2015 5:05 AM GMT
    I was very encouraged by the Pope's public stances, but am very disheartened by his giving with one hand and taking away with the other. I am not Catholic, but I thought he was a trustworthy man. Not so much. I have, at times, in the past, been supported by a Jesuit and a Dominican when I was at my lowest. So I know there is goodness in the church, just not at the top.
  • tj85016

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    Oct 03, 2015 7:50 AM GMT
    he's just another one of a 2000 year old procession of scam-artists
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    Oct 03, 2015 10:43 AM GMT
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    Oct 04, 2015 2:02 AM GMT
    This issue has nothing to do with child molesters.
  • NealJohn

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    Oct 04, 2015 12:26 PM GMT
    The Catholic Church is a false religion and the office of pope is an abomination. It really doesn't matter what he thinks or says because he does not represent God, but unfortunately people don't take the time out to read the Bible and don't understand this, so they follow the church ,and him, blindly.
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    Oct 04, 2015 1:41 PM GMT
    religion (rɪˈlɪdʒən)
    n
    1. belief in, worship of, or obedience to a supernatural power or powers considered to be divine or to have control of human destiny
    2. any formal or institutionalized expression of such belief: the Christian religion.
    3. the attitude and feeling of one who believes in a transcendent controlling power or powers
    4. (Roman Catholic Church) RC Church the way of life determined by the vows of poverty, chastity, and obedience entered upon by monks, friars, and nuns: to enter religion.
    5. something of overwhelming importance to a person: football is his religion.
    6.
    a. the practice of sacred ritual observances
    b. sacred rites and ceremonies
    [C12: via Old French from Latin religiō fear of the supernatural, piety, probably from religāre to tie up, from re- + ligāre to bind]
    Collins English Dictionary

    How is the Catholic religion any more false than any of the others? What are the true religions?
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    Oct 04, 2015 2:07 PM GMT
    nonsense is nonsense no matter how charming the salesman.

    pope's a twat. religion is for those who can't cope with the state of not knowing or understanding.

    "spiritual" is the same as religious.
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    Oct 05, 2015 6:10 AM GMT
    Art_Deco said...

    And several guys were reminiscing about the Catholic priest who founded the organization all on his own, nearly 30 years ago. Still on the board in emeritus status. An effort for which the archdiocese of Miami ousted him from his priestly duties, although I don't think he was ever formally defrocked.

    While other priests were molesting children of both sexes, without punishment, this man was improving the lives of people with HIV. But HIV was exclusively associated with gay men at that time, a group the Roman Catholic Church would have nothing to do with.

    And so he's the one who was ostracized, not the child molesters. But the organization he founded quickly grew with him as its first head, and he was rewarded with the income, health care, and other benefits the Church had stripped from him.

    Yet he never accepted very much, just what he needed to live. He's no televangelist millionaire. He remained true to his vow of poverty. He's a legend here, and if you ask anyone in our gay community who "Father Bill" is they're likely to tell you. The Church may have expelled him, but LGBT accepted & honor him.

    http://www.poverello.org/portal/


    And here in the City of New Orleans it was the Roman Catholic Archdiocese that started Project Lazarus for victims of the AIDS epidemic.

    Project Lazarus was established in 1985 in response to the devastation that was being wreaked by HIV/AIDS. The Archdiocese of New Orleans responded by offering the upstairs of an old convent for the purpose of housing homeless people with AIDS, thus creating the first "Residence House." At that time, the agency primarily provided hospice care to persons with AIDS who were homeless. The downstairs area of the facility housed the Deaf Center and Food for Friends. Later this area was renovated to create another "House." Initially the program was staffed entirely by volunteers. Lazarus quickly became known as a place where people could come to live when they had no home, or when friends and family could no longer care for them. The need was great enough that the Archdiocese again responded by allowing the program the use of a second facility. A full time Director was hired, and since that time the program and staff have continued to grow and meet the increasing needs of the community.

    Over 1,200 people have been served by the agency in its history with hundreds who breathed their last breath at the agency. In the early years and through the 1990's, Project Lazarus was a place where people with AIDS came to die. As the treatments for the disease have evolved, so has the agency as it is now a place where people with HIV/AIDS come to live.

    To address the ongoing epidemic, Project Lazarus provides transitional housing and, when needed, hospice care. In addition to being the oldest, Project Lazarus is also the largest residential facility providing assisted living to people with HIV/AIDS in the Gulf Coast region. It is also the only such housing facility that provides medical care to its residents through the services of a nurse and certified Personal Care Attendants. During the course of a year, approximately 70 persons will be served by the agency and a waiting list is usually maintained due to 100% occupancy.


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    Oct 31, 2015 6:21 AM GMT
    rdberg1957 saidI was very encouraged by the Pope's public stances, but am very disheartened by his giving with one hand and taking away with the other. I am not Catholic, but I thought he was a trustworthy man. Not so much. I have, at times, in the past, been supported by a Jesuit and a Dominican when I was at my lowest. So I know there is goodness in the church, just not at the top.


    When Francis said, "Who am I to judge?" when he was asked about gays, I thought he was a breath of fresh air after our battles with the previous pope (Ratzinger). Then I began to hear what was more likely his real feelings about gays. One of his statements: "Every child deserves a mother and father" in an apparent aside to the church's opposition to same sex marriages and reinforcing catholic adoption services from allowing gays to adopt children.
    It's the same old hypocritical story of the church's double talk, talking from both sides of its mouth, forked tongue, and backstabbing. "Beware of wolves in sheep's clothing."