Vatican sucks - gay priest out after highly public coming out as partnered.

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    Oct 03, 2015 5:24 PM GMT
    http://www.aol.com/article/2015/10/03/vatican-sacks-gay-priest-after-highly-public-coming-out/21244430/
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    Oct 03, 2015 5:28 PM GMT
    Heard this story on the radio this afternoon. Just further evidence that, for all Pope Francis's soft-soaping, the RC Church is the same bigoted mess it has always been.
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    Oct 03, 2015 7:45 PM GMT
    He came out as gay and disclosed that he has a boyfriend/lover. To be fair, heterosexual priests are not allowed to have a girlfriend/lover either (although I'm reasonably certain that some of them violate that preclusion, albeit without making it public). I don't believe, however, that his homosexuality should bar him from priesthood.
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    Oct 04, 2015 1:30 AM GMT
    DOMINUS saidHe came out as gay and disclosed that he has a boyfriend/lover. To be fair, heterosexual priests are not allowed to have a girlfriend/lover either (although I'm reasonably certain that some of them violate that preclusion, albeit without making it public). I don't believe, however, that his homosexuality should bar him from priesthood.


    From what I could tell he wasn't defrocked (well maybe only when he and his lover were fucking). He was removed from his job with the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (formerly the Inquisition - Supreme Sacred Congregation of the Roman and Universal Inquisition) and from teaching theology. With his knowledge of Church teaching I'm sure he expected that to happen.

    If he continues with his lover, he will be stripped of his faculties to minister as a priest.
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    freedomisntfree saidhttp://www.aol.com/article/2015/10/03/vatican-sacks-gay-priest-after-highly-public-coming-out/21244430/

    Good article, thanks. Though I think your thread title needs to reflect the link: it's "sacks" not "sucks" gay priest.
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    Oct 04, 2015 2:24 AM GMT
    your title is misleading
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    Oct 04, 2015 2:32 AM GMT
    To become a priest you must take a vow of chastity. If you can't adhere to that that they shouldn't become priests. It's not a job. Shoalin monks don't seem to have any problem understanding this concept.
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    AMoonHawk saidTo become a priest you must take a vow of chastity. If you can't adhere to that that they shouldn't become priests. It's not a job. Shoalin monks don't seem to have any problem understanding this concept.

    Did his admission of having a boyfriend include having sex with him? I dunno. And elegant problem: does sex with another man violate his vow of celibacy? Was it crafted to mean only sex with a woman?
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    AMoonHawk saidTo become a priest you must take a vow of chastity. If you can't adhere to that that they shouldn't become priests. It's not a job. Shoalin monks don't seem to have any problem understanding this concept.

    Did his admission of having a boyfriend include having sex with him? I dunno. And elegant problem: does sex with another man violate his vow of chastity? Was it crafted to mean only sex with a woman?

    Does chastity also include abstinence from self-masturbation? I wonder how many Catholic priests violate that one.
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    Oct 04, 2015 3:01 AM GMT
    Let's keep it honest, he wasn't removed because he is gay, he was removed because he has a partner. The vow of chastity is a requirement to be a priest and if he publicly admitted he was not following that rule, he should have expected to be removed.
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    Oct 04, 2015 3:09 AM GMT
    Art_Deco said
    freedomisntfree saidhttp://www.aol.com/article/2015/10/03/vatican-sacks-gay-priest-after-highly-public-coming-out/21244430/

    Good article, thanks. Though I think your thread title needs to reflect the link: it's "sacks" not "sucks" gay priest.


    I fixed it ..... sorta.
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    Oct 04, 2015 3:10 AM GMT
    Apparition saidyour title is misleading


    Fixed icon_wink.gif
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    Oct 04, 2015 3:14 AM GMT
    freedomisntfree said
    Art_Deco said
    freedomisntfree saidhttp://www.aol.com/article/2015/10/03/vatican-sacks-gay-priest-after-highly-public-coming-out/21244430/

    Good article, thanks. Though I think your thread title needs to reflect the link: it's "sacks" not "sucks" gay priest.

    I fixed it ..... sorta.

    Well, yah know yah can change the subject line as well, in the Edit Post function. It's "sacks" not "sucks".
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    Art_Deco said
    freedomisntfree said
    Art_Deco said
    freedomisntfree saidhttp://www.aol.com/article/2015/10/03/vatican-sacks-gay-priest-after-highly-public-coming-out/21244430/

    Good article, thanks. Though I think your thread title needs to reflect the link: it's "sacks" not "sucks" gay priest.

    I fixed it ..... sorta.

    Well, yah know yah can change the subject line as well, in the Edit Post function. It's "sacks" not "sucks".


    I did.

    "Vatican sucks - gay priest out after highly public coming out as partnered."
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    Oct 04, 2015 3:28 AM GMT
    James_Thunder_Early saidLet's keep it honest, he wasn't removed because he is gay, he was removed because he has a partner. The vow of chastity is a requirement to be a priest and if he publicly admitted he was not following that rule, he should have expected to be removed.

    + 1

    It would have been the same if he had girlfriend. Priests are supposed to be celibate.
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    Oct 04, 2015 3:41 AM GMT
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    James_Thunder_Early saidLet's keep it honest, he wasn't removed because he is gay, he was removed because he has a partner. The vow of chastity is a requirement to be a priest and if he publicly admitted he was not following that rule, he should have expected to be removed.

    + 1

    It would have been the same if he had girlfriend. Priests are supposed to be celibate.


    I have documentation that most are not celibate and do not follow the rules.

    They can't!

    Abortions run rampant in the dungeons and forgiveness is a business. This guy is dismissed because is is gay and in a open and not hushed relationship! I also know that they are all #hypocrites
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    Oct 04, 2015 4:09 AM GMT
    AMoonHawk saidTo become a priest you must take a vow of chastity. If you can't adhere to that that they shouldn't become priests. It's not a job. Shoalin monks don't seem to have any problem understanding this concept.



    However...if you are a married Pastor of another faith you can become a Catholic priest and remain married.

    "Finally, concerning married Episcopalian clergy becoming Catholic priests, "the Holy See has specified that this exception to the rule of celibacy is granted in favor of these individual persons, and should not be understood as implying any change in the Church's conviction of the value of priestly celibacy, which will remain the rule for future candidates for the priesthood from this group."

    In other words, an ordained Episcopalian minister would make a profession of Faith and be received into the Catholic Church, and thereupon receive the Sacrament of Confirmation. He would then take appropriate courses which would enable him to minister as a Catholic priest.

    After proper examination by his Catholic bishop and with the permission of the Holy Father, he would be then ordained first as a Catholic transitional deacon and then as a priest. If the former Episcopalian minister were single at the time of his ordination as a Catholic deacon and then priest, he would indeed take the vow of celibacy. If the married former Episcopalian minister were ordained as a Catholic deacon and then priest, he would be exempt by a special favor from the Holy Father of making the promise of celibacy; however, if he later became a widower, then he would be bound to a celibate lifestyle and could not remarry. In the future, if a lay member of one of these reunited parishes wanted to become a Catholic priest, he would be required to take the promise of celibacy.

    The promise of celibacy is waived as a favor to those married clergy, given their particular circumstances and their desire to unite with the Catholic Church. However, the Holy Father has repeatedly affirmed the discipline of celibacy on Roman Catholic clergy of the Latin Rite. (Outside the United States, the Eastern Rites do not require the promise of celibacy except for bishops.)"


    What a mess.

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    Oct 04, 2015 4:35 AM GMT
    David666k said
    James_Thunder_Early saidLet's keep it honest, he wasn't removed because he is gay, he was removed because he has a partner. The vow of chastity is a requirement to be a priest and if he publicly admitted he was not following that rule, he should have expected to be removed.

    + 1

    It would have been the same if he had girlfriend. Priests are supposed to be celibate.


    It definitely would have happened if he was straight and it has in fact happened before.

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-father-brendan-curran-met-20150503-story.html

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-father-brendan-curran-met-20150503-story.html

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    Oct 04, 2015 5:12 AM GMT
    Art_Deco said
    AMoonHawk saidTo become a priest you must take a vow of chastity. If you can't adhere to that that they shouldn't become priests. It's not a job. Shoalin monks don't seem to have any problem understanding this concept.

    Did his admission of having a boyfriend include having sex with him? I dunno. And elegant problem: does sex with another man violate his vow of chastity? Was it crafted to mean only sex with a woman?

    Does chastity also include abstinence from self-masturbation? I wonder how many Catholic priests violate that one.


    Again your thinking normal human job. Choosing to become a priest is something like choosing to become a high priestest, or mage. In order to obtain the ability to invoke spirits, cast spells, create miracles, perform incantations, you must undergo a very ordered and disciplined life. It is not for the weak and it is not for those that are tied to earthly desires. If you cannot adhere to requirements to invoke such higher powers then you do not get to have the title, nor do you get to pretend to be what you are not. Hopefully, that clarifies it for those of you that cannot comprehend what is the ultimate goal. If you don't understand it and don't know anything about it then don't try to analyze it because you're trying to analyze it in terms of your own life, not in the terms of being within the same belief system.
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    David666k said
    James_Thunder_Early saidLet's keep it honest, he wasn't removed because he is gay, he was removed because he has a partner. The vow of chastity is a requirement to be a priest and if he publicly admitted he was not following that rule, he should have expected to be removed.

    + 1

    It would have been the same if he had girlfriend. Priests are supposed to be celibate.


    There was a priest who was in love with a woman and someone took pics of them on the beach together. His name is Alberto Cutie(that's really his last name). He left the Catholic church and became a priest with the Episcopal church, married the woman, had kids, and lived happily every after.

    cutie.jpg
  • Apparition

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    Oct 04, 2015 8:26 PM GMT
    join the cult follow the rules, you screwed up and joined, just quit if you dont like how the cult operates. pretty simple. I dont care.
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    Oct 04, 2015 8:26 PM GMT
    Meanwhile, Monsignor Cordileone, the guy who fired him, has been convicted of DUI. The Cathedral in San Francisco where he works was criticized for using lawn sprinklers to dissuade the homeless from trying to sleep outside the church.

    Good thing they didn't make that thing out of glass, huh?

    Yes we Episcopalians were glad to take in Fr. Cutie, not that we're without our own problems.
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    Oct 04, 2015 9:25 PM GMT
    Wouldn't it have been truly epic if the Pope had simply repeated his previous, "Who am I to judge?" line and used his supreme authority to leave this priest in post?

    Instead, we see the true face of the RC Church and Judeo-Christian-Muslim bigotry at work again.

    "I ask the pope to be strong and to remember us, homosexuals, lesbians, transsexuals and bisexuals as children of the Church and members of humanity," Charamsa said. Well said!
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    Nov 01, 2015 10:07 AM GMT
    DOMINUS saidHe came out as gay and disclosed that he has a boyfriend/lover. To be fair, heterosexual priests are not allowed to have a girlfriend/lover either (although I'm reasonably certain that some of them violate that preclusion, albeit without making it public). I don't believe, however, that his homosexuality should bar him from priesthood.


    His homosexuality does not bar him from the priesthood. If it did, the r.c. church would be without at least half (or more) of its priesthood. The church should confront the issue of homosexuality in their clergy, but it won't; instead, it will sweep it under the rug and whitewash any scandal pertaining to it.
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    Nov 01, 2015 10:35 AM GMT
    meninlove said
    AMoonHawk saidTo become a priest you must take a vow of chastity. If you can't adhere to that that they shouldn't become priests. It's not a job. Shoalin monks don't seem to have any problem understanding this concept.



    However...if you are a married Pastor of another faith you can become a Catholic priest and remain married.

    "Finally, concerning married Episcopalian clergy becoming Catholic priests, "the Holy See has specified that this exception to the rule of celibacy is granted in favor of these individual persons, and should not be understood as implying any change in the Church's conviction of the value of priestly celibacy, which will remain the rule for future candidates for the priesthood from this group."

    In other words, an ordained Episcopalian minister would make a profession of Faith and be received into the Catholic Church, and thereupon receive the Sacrament of Confirmation. He would then take appropriate courses which would enable him to minister as a Catholic priest.

    After proper examination by his Catholic bishop and with the permission of the Holy Father, he would be then ordained first as a Catholic transitional deacon and then as a priest. If the former Episcopalian minister were single at the time of his ordination as a Catholic deacon and then priest, he would indeed take the vow of celibacy. If the married former Episcopalian minister were ordained as a Catholic deacon and then priest, he would be exempt by a special favor from the Holy Father of making the promise of celibacy; however, if he later became a widower, then he would be bound to a celibate lifestyle and could not remarry. In the future, if a lay member of one of these reunited parishes wanted to become a Catholic priest, he would be required to take the promise of celibacy.

    The promise of celibacy is waived as a favor to those married clergy, given their particular circumstances and their desire to unite with the Catholic Church. However, the Holy Father has repeatedly affirmed the discipline of celibacy on Roman Catholic clergy of the Latin Rite. (Outside the United States, the Eastern Rites do not require the promise of celibacy except for bishops.)"


    What a mess.

    http://www.ewtn.com/library/ANSWERS/MARPRIE.htm


    How "generous" of the r.c. church to offer the job of the priesthood to disaffected clergy of other faiths, especially Episcopalians, whose church has some similarities to the r.c. church. Since many of them are married with children, they're offered a special "dispensation" from being celibate and practicing celibacy.
    Some of the Episcopal clergy in conservative states and countries have become upset over female clergy and ordination of gays, some of whom have become bishops, so the r.c. church found a golden opportunity to lure Episcopal priests from their church. Nothing like a predatory approach to interfaith relations.
    The r.c. dispensation of priestly celibacy makes a mockery of the church's lofty standard of no sex, no marriage, no children of its clergy. One of the church's goals is more members and more clergy, but is this the ethical way to accomplish it? The day days of the Spanish conquistadors is long gone, but luring clergy from other faiths seems hypocritical and duplicitous.