Speaking of commercials- prescription drugs!?

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    Oct 04, 2015 9:59 PM GMT
    WTF man? While watching friendly people and listening to friendly music, they give you the horrible side effects including possible death. Not sure if this has been discussed on RJ before but we are being fed BS.

    Why are we (the public) being bombarded with prescription drug sales that are meant for the medical community such as our family physicians and surgeons. I don't go to my doctor and request any of these ridiculous drugs. If I require a prescription drug, like for my heart burn (GERD), my doctor prescribes the drug, I don't go and ask for Prilosec because I "saw it on TV" (now available OTC).

    Most health insurance providers or employers heavily push generic equivalent prescriptions because they are cheaper. I wish the ED medications had a generic version but there are many "fake Viagra" OTC to choose from anyway. The makers of Viagra, try and shut and confiscate these OTC substitutes instead of offering a cheaper generic.

    Have these prescription drug commercials influenced you? Do you ask your doctor for them or do you take whatever your doctor prescribes? The flood of these commercials pisses me off, however stupidly "cute" they may be icon_evil.gif



    http://www.vaughns-1-pagers.com/medicine/prescription-drug-tv-ads.htm

    Have you noticed the ever-increasing number of prescription drug television ads recently? They are heavy on emotion, and light on facts. The side effects are trivialized.

    Here is a summary list of 80 DTC (Direct-To-Consumer) prescription drug TV ads. Text of some current TV drug ads has been included, along with their published, acknowledged adverse side effects.

    Drug manufacturers seek to minimize and trivialize the adverse side effects of the drugs they produce. To present a balanced picture, this page HIGHLIGHTS these adverse side effects. In each case below, THE OFFICIAL INFORMATION IS "QUOTED VERBATIM" (fair use) from the drug companies' websites and TV commercials.

    Big Pharma knows there is little money in actual cures. They are in the "treatment" business. They want you to take as MANY drugs as possible, for as LONG as possible. Its the American way - Termination by medication.


    Can you guess what these drugs treat just by their commercial?


    30 Prescription Drug TV Ads
    ... which have been around for years


    Actonel

    Avodart

    Boniva

    Celebrex

    Cialis- ED

    Coreg

    Crestor- cholesterol

    Detrol

    Ditropan

    Enbrel

    Fosamax

    Humira

    Levitra- ED

    Lunesta- sleep aid

    Nexium- heart burn

    Paxil

    Plavix

    Premarin

    Prilosec- heart burn

    Procrit

    Strattera

    Valtrex- herpes

    Vesicare

    Viagra- ED

    Vioxx

    Vytorin

    Wellbutrin- depression

    Zelnorm

    Zocor

    Zyprexa





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    Oct 04, 2015 10:18 PM GMT
    You answered your own question. Yes, the drugs companies hope you WILL ask your doctor for their drugs when you're diagnosed for a condition requiring medication. And that you won't question the doctor when he/she prescribes a drug whose name is known to you through TV ads, naturally for a premium price. Versus inquiring if there's a cheaper generic alternative and be content with it, or asking if their's some non-drug treatment alternative.
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    Oct 04, 2015 10:31 PM GMT
    Art_Deco saidYou answered your own question. Yes, the drugs companies hope you WILL ask your doctor for their drugs when you're diagnosed for a condition requiring medication. And that you won't question the doctor when he/she prescribes a drug whose name is known to you through TV ads, for a premium price. Versus inquiring if there's a cheaper generic alternative, or some other other treatment alternative.




    Yes, but it would seem to me this would apply to "cash paying patients". Anyone with a employer based healthcare plan, with administrator, knows that prescriptions are listed under their particular plan. Most employers plans will approve generic mediations before approving ANY higher priced brand name. With the new healthcare system, Obamacare, these pharmaceutical companies are wasting their money in advertising to the general public, I don't see the point. Brand named medications are always more expensive, everyone should know that by now.

    The whole point behind Obamacare is to help reduce healthcare costs. I see why universal healthcare is so disliked by the corporate run republicans, big profit margin pharma are their friends. This increase in prescription drug commercials, to the public, must be a counter attack backlash option to universal healthcare, which wants to reduce the costs of medication.

    How to reduce the cost of medication and continue high profit margins for pharmaceutical, oxy moron? icon_rolleyes.gif

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    Oct 04, 2015 10:50 PM GMT

    Although I don't remember this, Accutane had at least one commercial over a decade ago. Accutane was very expensive, the working ingredient, Isotretinoin, is now available in a cheaper generic form. Many employers plan will no longer cover Isotretinoin treatments due to the negative press Accutane has received over the last decade. This means if you want this treatment for Acne, you may have to pay out of pocket if your employer or state run healthcare plan does not offer it any more. Approx. $900 a month, just for the medication, treatment is min 5 months.




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    Oct 04, 2015 10:51 PM GMT
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    Yes, but it would seem to me this would apply to "cash paying patients". Anyone with a employer based healthcare plan, with administrator, knows that prescriptions are listed under their particular plan. Most employers plans will approve generic mediations before approving ANY higher priced brand name. With the new healthcare system, Obamacare, these pharmaceutical companies are wasting their money in advertising to the general public, I don't see the point. Brand named medications are always more expensive, everyone should know that by now.

    The whole point behind Obamacare is to help reduce healthcare costs. I see why universal healthcare is so disliked by the corporate run republicans, big profit margin pharma are their friends. This increase in prescription drug commercials, to the public, must be a counter attack backlash option to universal healthcare, which wants to reduce the costs of medication.

    How to reduce the cost of medication and continue high profit margins for pharmaceutical, oxy moron? icon_rolleyes.gif

    Again, you may have answered your own question. Make people on Obamacare (ACA) dissatisfied that they're receiving inferior generic drugs, and not the "good stuff", as a way of undermining and losing public support for the ACA.

    Additionally, some patients will not understand they are having a higher co-pay with the name brands, versus generic when an option. The private medical plans will still be paying a portion, but the patient co-pay is increased. A lot of patients, especially the elderly, will not know that they can ask the pharmacist to choose a generic alternative, that they are not necessarily bound by the doctor's prescription exactly as written.
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    Oct 04, 2015 11:01 PM GMT
    In the UK there is a general prohibition on the advertising of prescription-only medicines to the public. The "strongest" drug you'll see advertised on TV here is an over-the-counter cold and flu remedy.
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    Oct 04, 2015 11:07 PM GMT
    Art_Deco said
    ELNathB said
    Yes, but it would seem to me this would apply to "cash paying patients". Anyone with a employer based healthcare plan, with administrator, knows that prescriptions are listed under their particular plan. Most employers plans will approve generic mediations before approving ANY higher priced brand name. With the new healthcare system, Obamacare, these pharmaceutical companies are wasting their money in advertising to the general public, I don't see the point. Brand named medications are always more expensive, everyone should know that by now.

    The whole point behind Obamacare is to help reduce healthcare costs. I see why universal healthcare is so disliked by the corporate run republicans, big profit margin pharma are their friends. This increase in prescription drug commercials, to the public, must be a counter attack backlash option to universal healthcare, which wants to reduce the costs of medication.

    How to reduce the cost of medication and continue high profit margins for pharmaceutical, oxy moron? icon_rolleyes.gif

    Again, you may have answered your own question. Make people on Obamacare (ACA) dissatisfied that they're receiving inferior generic drugs, and not the "good stuff", as a way of undermining and losing public support for the ACA.

    Additionally, some patients will not understand they are having a higher co-pay with the name brands, versus generic when an option. The private medical plans will still be paying a portion, but the patient co-pay is increased. A lot of patients, especially the elderly, will not know that they can ask the pharmacist to choose a generic alternative, that they are not necessarily bound by the doctor's prescription exactly as written.





    Well, it sounds like these targeted commercials are a form of legalized fraud, to the unknowledgeable. (kind of like those same people the banks targeted to buy homes they couldn't afford). Not just the old or poor (elderly/Medicare/Medicaid, but to anyone who has never had healthcare before (those who signed up for Obamabcare).

    If you watch any amount of TV or internet, 1/4 to 1/2 the commercials out there are these annoying pharmaceuticals icon_confused.gif
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    Oct 04, 2015 11:15 PM GMT
    Ex_Mil8 saidIn the UK there is a general prohibition on the advertising of prescription-only medicines to the public. The "strongest" drug you'll see advertised on TV here is an over-the-counter cold and flu remedy.



    WOW, is that general prohibition on the advertising mandated by like, parliament or is that part of socialized medicine?

    See, here in the US, we have business, corporation, free market capitalism, favored by the republican, conservative parties. I suppose this is the difference between socialize medicine and free market, for profit medicine. icon_confused.gif





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    Oct 04, 2015 11:15 PM GMT
    canada if it still has the same laws, is kinda weird, if not still, at one point you could advertise the drug name, or the problem, but not both, cut down on the ads
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    Oct 04, 2015 11:30 PM GMT
    ELNathB said
    Ex_Mil8 saidIn the UK there is a general prohibition on the advertising of prescription-only medicines to the public. The "strongest" drug you'll see advertised on TV here is an over-the-counter cold and flu remedy.



    WOW, is that general prohibition on the advertising mandated by like, parliament or is that part of socialized medicine?

    See, here in the US, we have business, corporation, free market capitalism, favored by the republican, conservative parties. I suppose this is the difference between socialize medicine and free market, for profit medicine. icon_confused.gif






    It's Europe wide, or was. Against EU law as they said drug companies couldn't be trusted to be honest.
    http://www.theguardian.com/media/2002/oct/23/advertising.marketingandpr
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    Oct 04, 2015 11:34 PM GMT
    Apparition saidcanada if it still has the same laws, is kinda weird, if not still, at one point you could advertise the drug name, or the problem, but not both, cut down on the ads



    There are a lot of Americans who get their prescriptions in or ordered from Canada due to the cheaper price. Yeah that is kind of weird, not sure how you can discuss the medical problem without giving out some treatments. I guess you could just say on TV,
    "see your doctor" icon_confused.gif

    Interesting to hear different perspectives, in other countries. American republicans are scared to death of how other countries handle the issue of healthcare, which includes, for and not for profit, prescription drugs.


    Prescription drug commercialism here in the US is totally out of control with no end in sight


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    Oct 04, 2015 11:43 PM GMT
    Ex_Mil8 saidIn the UK there is a general prohibition on the advertising of prescription-only medicines to the public. The "strongest" drug you'll see advertised on TV here is an over-the-counter cold and flu remedy.

    thats because society in the uk is half way fucking sane, unlike here.
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    Oct 04, 2015 11:49 PM GMT
    kew1 said
    ELNathB said
    Ex_Mil8 saidIn the UK there is a general prohibition on the advertising of prescription-only medicines to the public. The "strongest" drug you'll see advertised on TV here is an over-the-counter cold and flu remedy.



    WOW, is that general prohibition on the advertising mandated by like, parliament or is that part of socialized medicine?

    See, here in the US, we have business, corporation, free market capitalism, favored by the republican, conservative parties. I suppose this is the difference between socialize medicine and free market, for profit medicine. icon_confused.gif






    It's Europe wide, or was. Against EU law as they said drug companies couldn't be trusted to be honest.
    http://www.theguardian.com/media/2002/oct/23/advertising.marketingandpr



    WOW, thanks for posting this icon_eek.gif
    I see, American capitalism makes a huge difference in the mindset of people. This would explain the appearance of dishonesty within our US financial and corporate systems, favored by the republican and right wing parties




    But Mrs Stihler said: "If we open the door to direct advertising it is a slippery slope down the American road where pink pills on television advertisements offer a miracle solution to everything from baldness to chronic fatigue. Medicines are like no other product. The aim must not be to maximise sales but to ensure that the product is used appropriately."

    She added: "The fact that the 10 most advertised drugs in the US are the 10 biggest selling drugs is a cause for concern. No one could ever be against consumer information, but we must ensure the quality and independence of the information."



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    Oct 04, 2015 11:58 PM GMT
    Import said
    Ex_Mil8 saidIn the UK there is a general prohibition on the advertising of prescription-only medicines to the public. The "strongest" drug you'll see advertised on TV here is an over-the-counter cold and flu remedy.

    thats because society in the uk is half way fucking sane, unlike here.




    Yeah, once the icon_idea.gif goes off and the veil is lifted, when you compare American ideals with other countries, makes us all wonder icon_idea.gif

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    Oct 05, 2015 5:02 AM GMT
    Just go to Mexico. Any of the doctors there will diagnose you with whatever you want and write you a prescription. Then go to the farmacia next door and get your name brand meds for cheaper than what you'd pay in the US.