Campaign encourages gay men to have unprotected sex in attempt to boost sales of anti-HIV drug

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    A guerrilla advertising campaign is encouraging gay men to have unprotected sex to promote a non-approved drug that combats HIV infection.

    Large posters have been put up across Melbourne, prominently featuring a blue pill and the text: "YOU CAN F*** RAW. PrEP WORKS. NO MORE HIV."

    A little-known activist group is behind the explicit message promoting condomless sex when using PrEP, an antiviral drug dubbed the HIV contraceptive that is readily available overseas but not in Australia.

    Health experts have slammed the controversial ads for failing to promote safe sex and the importance of regular health screening, branding them "extremely unhelpful" and "completely wrong".

    http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/campaign-encourages-gay-men-to-have-unprotected-sex-in-attempt-to-boost-sales-of-antihiv-drug-20150930-gjy1u8.html

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    Well, there's a member here on RJ who's been telling us to have bareback sex for some time now. Because of these claimed medical protections.

    Problems are, they haven't been in use long enough to establish that fact conclusively. Second, they rely on regular & reliable use of these drugs. And people are notorious for NOT using their prescribed drugs as they should, for various reasons: forgetfulness, laziness, schedule conflicts, failure to refill prescriptions, whatever.

    And if a guy SAYS his viral count is undetectable, should you believe him any more than if he swears he's negative? Good luck! And if you think you can take something that protects you 100%, then think again.

    It's good to have these additional tools against HIV. But they're not a panacea that erases all other safe-sex considerations. They're NOT an HIV cure. I continue to advise against barebacking.
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    Oct 06, 2015 2:45 PM GMT
    This is almost as stupid as Anti-Vax.


    ...yeah, that's it. A short post from me, for once, but I did just finish typing a long one on the Spirituality forum, and I want to get a move on with my day.
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    MuchMoreThanMuscle saidWhat "campaign" do you speak of?

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    Not trying to jump into anything if there's some kind of relevant interpersonal communication issue between you and Compaq here--buuuut the title of the thread here is the same as the title of the Article on the website Compaq linked to, and the four lines he put in his post are directly copied from the article. Sooo, unless there's something here I'm not seeing...

    Not trying to get in anyone's grill or anything! Just, pointing out there doesn't seem much of an opinion from the topic maker here.
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    "A guerrilla advertising campaign"

    "A little-known activist group"

    In other words, someone with a personal agenda, a printer and the graphic design abilities of a twelve-year-old decided to produce a poster.

    Given that every gay organization and individual quoted in the article (including the guy who imports the drug) advises against condomless sex, you have to wonder who made the poster. It could be some right-wing nut trying to show what "a bunch of reckless sluts gay men are". It isn't that hard to believe, as we have several RJers saying exactly that, on a regular basis.

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    Art_Deco saidWell, there's a member here on RJ who's been telling us to have bareback sex for some time now. Because of these claimed medical protections.

    Problems are, they haven't been in use long enough to establish that fact conclusively. Second, they rely on regular & reliable use of these drugs. And people are notorious for NOT using their prescribed drugs as they should, for various reasons: forgetfulness, laziness, schedule conflicts, failure to refill prescriptions, whatever.

    And if a guy SAYS his viral count is undetectable, should you believe him any more than if he swears he's negative? Good luck! And if you think you can take something that protects you 100%, then think again.

    It's good to have these additional tools against HIV. But they're not a panacea that erases all other safe-sex considerations. They're NOT an HIV cure. I continue to advise against barebacking.


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    Ex_Mil8 said"A guerrilla advertising campaign"

    "A little-known activist group"

    In other words, someone with a personal agenda, a printer and the graphic design abilities of a twelve-year-old decided to produce a poster.

    Given that every gay organization and individual quoted in the article (including the guy who imports the drug) advises against condomless sex, you have to wonder who made the poster. It could be some right-wing nut trying to show what "a bunch of reckless sluts gay men are". It isn't that hard to believe, as we have several RJers saying exactly that, on a regular basis.



    A vast right wing conspiracy? icon_lol.gif Are we supposed to pretend this isn't real unless it's authorized by a left wing nut?

    A twelve year old right winger must have made these t shirts just like those signs. icon_rolleyes.gif

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    Oct 07, 2015 7:20 AM GMT
    Considering that there are many different infections which can be spread through unprotected anal sex, a drug that prevents only HIV does not provide adequate protection.
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    A vast right wing conspiracy?


    Who mentioned a "vast conspiracy"? It doesn't take more than one person to print and put up a crappy poster (or, for that matter, a crappy post). Are there gay men out there who irresponsibly engage in unprotected sex? Of course - just like there are straight men doing the same thing. Meanwhile, the overwhelming message out there is that having unprotected sex is a very bad idea.
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    Prep works and is apparently the next great medical step forward in HIV treatment and prevention. I am truly happy and thankful for such an amazing invention. To be able to enjoy sex again and not run into hiding from possible infection, is a tremendous liberation of the libiedo!
    Still, and for me personally, I treat this as an additional tool in the arsenal of BMP's for a long healthy happy life. There are enough other STI's with very unpleasant symptoms and effects, that I don't want, that casual random hook-ups still warrant caution and a bit of protection. But it is a true blessing to be able to enjoy natural, raw sex with your trusted, regular partner.
    I find that "campaigns" to promote anything in the way the original story from the OP, always has more to do with some individual(s) with an "axe to grind" and not about a truly helpful, healthy, informational notification. I am suspicious of any campaign, like this one, being waged. it is not responsible to make this a "carte-blanche" for any and all sex, based on great news over a single disease. icon_cool.gif
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    robbaker saidGeez and this is why gaymen will always be stigmatized for their reckless risky behavior .whatever happen to dating someone getting to know one build a loving chemistry? It's all about hookups how many cocks and ass you can get on a daily basis gaymen hooking up at these orgy parties where they're all having unprotected sex .the gay scene is all about fashion drugs unprotected sex vanity and death


    Truvada is being marketed to high risk gay men and sex workers. Isn't that nice how they lump these two groups of people together.icon_rolleyes.gif It costs around $1200 a month. Some people can get it for free if they can prove need. Some insurance companies will pay for it, others will not.

    A 61 year old man in Boston is negative and has been on Truvada as a preventative. He applied to Mutual of Omaha for additional health insurance and was denied so he's suing them. GLAD said,"he was illegally denied service based on his sexuality and perceived disability, and that Mutual of Omaha is in violation of anti-discrimination laws that protect individuals from adverse treatment based on incorrect judgments about LGBT people and health care."
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    robbaker saidGeez and this is why gaymen will always be stigmatized for their reckless risky behavior .whatever happen to dating someone getting to know one build a loving chemistry? It's all about hookups how many cocks and ass you can get on a daily basis gaymen hooking up at these orgy parties where they're all having unprotected sex .the gay scene is all about fashion drugs unprotected sex vanity and death


    "Geez and this is why gaymen will always be stigmatized", says the gay man pruriently bearing his ass and cock on a public forum.

    I could almost stand your lazy stereotyping of gay men if you weren't such a damn hypocrite.
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    robbaker saidGeez and this is why gaymen will always be stigmatized for their reckless risky behavior .whatever happen to dating someone getting to know one build a loving chemistry? It's all about hookups how many cocks and ass you can get on a daily basis gaymen hooking up at these orgy parties where they're all having unprotected sex .the gay scene is all about fashion drugs unprotected sex vanity and death


    Truvada is being marketed to high risk gay men and sex workers. Isn't that nice how they lump these two groups of people together.icon_rolleyes.gif It costs around $1200 a month. Some people can get it for free if they can prove need. Some insurance companies will pay for it, others will not.

    A 61 year old man in Boston is negative and has been on Truvada as a preventative. He applied to Mutual of Omaha for additional health insurance and was denied so he's suing them. GLAD said,"he was illegally denied service based on his sexuality and perceived disability, and that Mutual of Omaha is in violation of anti-discrimination laws that protect individuals from adverse treatment based on incorrect judgments about LGBT people and health care."




    So if I talk about dogs and cats, do you immediately think of them as being the same just because I used them in the same sentence? Gay men are "high risk" because they don't have vaginas. Period. Vaginas do not tear nearly as easily as the rectum, which can allow an easier passageway into the bloodstream. So a straight man or woman can be as promiscuous as they want, and chances are they will not contract HIV. But a gay man who doesn't have nearly as many sexual partners is at a much higher risk strictly because anal sex is his only way of having intercourse. Women also tend to dislike anal sex which also helps keep them safe. And lets face it......NOBODY likes condoms, so sometimes people will take chances and forego the condom. Ad this with the possibility of condom breakage and you've got an epidemic. And that's exactly what's happened. Yes, many gay men are sex addicts, but to say that every man who wants to protect himself is automatically on par with a prostitute is ignorant and juvenile.
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    Oct 07, 2015 11:02 PM GMT
    Sporty_G saidPrep works and is apparently the next great medical step forward in HIV treatment and prevention. I am truly happy and thankful for such an amazing invention. To be able to enjoy sex again and not run into hiding from possible infection, is a tremendous liberation of the libiedo!
    Still, and for me personally, I treat this as an additional tool in the arsenal of BMP's for a long healthy happy life. There are enough other STI's with very unpleasant symptoms and effects, that I don't want, that casual random hook-ups still warrant caution and a bit of protection. But it is a true blessing to be able to enjoy natural, raw sex with your trusted, regular partner.
    I find that "campaigns" to promote anything in the way the original story from the OP, always has more to do with some individual(s) with an "axe to grind" and not about a truly helpful, healthy, informational notification. I am suspicious of any campaign, like this one, being waged. it is not responsible to make this a "carte-blanche" for any and all sex, based on great news over a single disease. icon_cool.gif


    Can we be sure that it will continue to work? Infectious organisms often become resistant to antibiotics and antivirals used to control them.
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    robbaker saidGeez and this is why gaymen will always be stigmatized for their reckless risky behavior .whatever happen to dating someone getting to know one build a loving chemistry? It's all about hookups how many cocks and ass you can get on a daily basis gaymen hooking up at these orgy parties where they're all having unprotected sex .the gay scene is all about fashion drugs unprotected sex vanity and death


    It's not only risky sexual behaviors. Surveys have also shown that gay men are much more likely to be smokers than non-gay men are. We need to find out why gay men are more likely to be risk-takers.
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    Ex_Mil8 said"A guerrilla advertising campaign"

    "A little-known activist group"

    In other words, someone with a personal agenda, a printer and the graphic design abilities of a twelve-year-old decided to produce a poster.

    Given that every gay organization and individual quoted in the article (including the guy who imports the drug) advises against condomless sex, you have to wonder who made the poster. It could be some right-wing nut trying to show what "a bunch of reckless sluts gay men are". It isn't that hard to believe, as we have several RJers saying exactly that, on a regular basis.



    A vast right wing conspiracy? icon_lol.gif Are we supposed to pretend this isn't real unless it's authorized by a left wing nut?

    A twelve year old right winger must have made these t shirts just like those signs. icon_rolleyes.gif

    truvada-whores.jpg



    Ugly whores.
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    Oct 07, 2015 11:11 PM GMT
    Compaq said
    robbaker saidGeez and this is why gaymen will always be stigmatized for their reckless risky behavior .whatever happen to dating someone getting to know one build a loving chemistry? It's all about hookups how many cocks and ass you can get on a daily basis gaymen hooking up at these orgy parties where they're all having unprotected sex .the gay scene is all about fashion drugs unprotected sex vanity and death


    Truvada is being marketed to high risk gay men and sex workers. Isn't that nice how they lump these two groups of people together.icon_rolleyes.gif It costs around $1200 a month. Some people can get it for free if they can prove need. Some insurance companies will pay for it, others will not.

    A 61 year old man in Boston is negative and has been on Truvada as a preventative. He applied to Mutual of Omaha for additional health insurance and was denied so he's suing them. GLAD said,"he was illegally denied service based on his sexuality and perceived disability, and that Mutual of Omaha is in violation of anti-discrimination laws that protect individuals from adverse treatment based on incorrect judgments about LGBT people and health care."


    That's $14,400 per year which is a big chunk out of the income of most people. Is sex worth that amount of money? If one had sex once every three days, that would be $118 per encounter.

    Compared with the alternative of using mechanical protection, i.e., condoms, that seems exorbitant unless one is really wealthy.
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    robbaker saidGeez and this is why gaymen will always be stigmatized for their reckless risky behavior .whatever happen to dating someone getting to know one build a loving chemistry? It's all about hookups how many cocks and ass you can get on a daily basis gaymen hooking up at these orgy parties where they're all having unprotected sex .the gay scene is all about fashion drugs unprotected sex vanity and death


    Truvada is being marketed to high risk gay men and sex workers. Isn't that nice how they lump these two groups of people together.icon_rolleyes.gif It costs around $1200 a month. Some people can get it for free if they can prove need. Some insurance companies will pay for it, others will not.

    A 61 year old man in Boston is negative and has been on Truvada as a preventative. He applied to Mutual of Omaha for additional health insurance and was denied so he's suing them. GLAD said,"he was illegally denied service based on his sexuality and perceived disability, and that Mutual of Omaha is in violation of anti-discrimination laws that protect individuals from adverse treatment based on incorrect judgments about LGBT people and health care."




    So if I talk about dogs and cats, do you immediately think of them as being the same just because I used them in the same sentence? Gay men are "high risk" because they don't have vaginas. Period. Vaginas do not tear nearly as easily as the rectum, which can allow an easier passageway into the bloodstream. So a straight man or woman can be as promiscuous as they want, and chances are they will not contract HIV. But a gay man who doesn't have nearly as many sexual partners is at a much higher risk strictly because anal sex is his only way of having intercourse. Women also tend to dislike anal sex which also helps keep them safe. And lets face it......NOBODY likes condoms, so sometimes people will take chances and forego the condom. Ad this with the possibility of condom breakage and you've got an epidemic. And that's exactly what's happened. Yes, many gay men are sex addicts, but to say that every man who wants to protect himself is automatically on par with a prostitute is ignorant and juvenile.


    Bingo! It's biological. But you still want to be part of that scene and that's why the gay community has an HIV+ rate of 20% after thirty years of education and free condoms. The medical community is at a loss for words. You may not even know this but anal in the gay community didn't even become common until the 70's and look what happened a short time later.

    Your profile says "Not into the gay scene at all". You are officially on a pill marketed for gay men, primarily bottoms because of their vulnerability to HIV infection, so you are into the gay scene, big time.icon_biggrin.gif

    I just read a post of yours. You don't hook up but you had a guy sleep over and he had sex with you.icon_rolleyes.gif You were going through the garbage the next morning and found a broken condom. Well, it could have broke because no condom has ever been designed for anal sex. Or it could be stealthing, tricking a trick!

    http://iblastinside.com/2012/06/top-10-stealthing-tips/





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    robbaker saidit's a honor no a blessing that most have me on ignore so they claimicon_rolleyes.gif


    Muchlessthanmuscle is a tattooed self loathing troll who claims from time to time that he's put people on ignore but he doesn't miss a trick. And if your opinion doesn't agree with his, he criticize your pics and bullies. A real piece of work!
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    Oct 08, 2015 8:58 PM GMT
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    Those images still haunt me. But it's nice to know that under all that thong wear and barely covered onion ring hole that "loving chemistry" is Rob's main objective.


    See what I mean? He goes after pics and in this case it's RobBaker. muchlessthanmuscle thinks he's an adonis compared to everyone else. Radd does they same thing, like teenage girls bullying. icon_rolleyes.gif

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    That's $14,400 per year which is a big chunk out of the income of most people. Is sex worth that amount of money? If one had sex once every three days, that would be $118 per encounter.

    Compared with the alternative of using mechanical protection, i.e., condoms, that seems exorbitant unless one is really wealthy.


    It's worth it to rich sex addicts. You can also receive it for free or at a lower cost if you have low income. Basically, the rich people are paying more than enough for it so that it covers the lower income people. Insurance companies are on the fence about it. On the one hand it encourages promiscuity. On the other hand a person with HIV would be more of a cost to them.
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    FRE0 saidConsidering that there are many different infections which can be spread through unprotected anal sex, a drug that prevents only HIV does not provide adequate protection.



    That's like saying you wouldn't take a medication that prevented Cancer because it didn't provide protection against the common cold. Terrible logic!
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    robbaker saidi know one thing i sure as hell won't be making any of their gay wedding cakes


    You'll be sued.
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    robbaker saidGeez and this is why gaymen will always be stigmatized for their reckless risky behavior .whatever happen to dating someone getting to know one build a loving chemistry? It's all about hookups how many cocks and ass you can get on a daily basis gaymen hooking up at these orgy parties where they're all having unprotected sex .the gay scene is all about fashion drugs unprotected sex vanity and death


    Truvada is being marketed to high risk gay men and sex workers. Isn't that nice how they lump these two groups of people together.icon_rolleyes.gif It costs around $1200 a month. Some people can get it for free if they can prove need. Some insurance companies will pay for it, others will not.

    A 61 year old man in Boston is negative and has been on Truvada as a preventative. He applied to Mutual of Omaha for additional health insurance and was denied so he's suing them. GLAD said,"he was illegally denied service based on his sexuality and perceived disability, and that Mutual of Omaha is in violation of anti-discrimination laws that protect individuals from adverse treatment based on incorrect judgments about LGBT people and health care."




    So if I talk about dogs and cats, do you immediately think of them as being the same just because I used them in the same sentence? Gay men are "high risk" because they don't have vaginas. Period. Vaginas do not tear nearly as easily as the rectum, which can allow an easier passageway into the bloodstream. So a straight man or woman can be as promiscuous as they want, and chances are they will not contract HIV. But a gay man who doesn't have nearly as many sexual partners is at a much higher risk strictly because anal sex is his only way of having intercourse. Women also tend to dislike anal sex which also helps keep them safe. And lets face it......NOBODY likes condoms, so sometimes people will take chances and forego the condom. Ad this with the possibility of condom breakage and you've got an epidemic. And that's exactly what's happened. Yes, many gay men are sex addicts, but to say that every man who wants to protect himself is automatically on par with a prostitute is ignorant and juvenile.


    Bingo! It's biological. But you still want to be part of that scene and that's why the gay community has an HIV+ rate of 20% after thirty years of education and free condoms. The medical community is at a loss for words. You may not even know this but anal in the gay community didn't even become common until the 70's and look what happened a short time later.

    Your profile says "Not into the gay scene at all". You are officially on a pill marketed for gay men, primarily bottoms because of their vulnerability to HIV infection, so you are into the gay scene, big time.icon_biggrin.gif

    I just read a post of yours. You don't hook up but you had a guy sleep over and he had sex with you.icon_rolleyes.gif You were going through the garbage the next morning and found a broken condom. Well, it could have broke because no condom has ever been designed for anal sex. Or it could be stealthing, tricking a trick!

    http://iblastinside.com/2012/06/top-10-stealthing-tips/


    It's worth it to rich sex addicts. You can also receive it for free or at a lower cost if you have low income. Basically, the rich people are paying more than enough for it so that it covers the lower income people. Insurance companies are on the fence about it. On the one hand it encourages promiscuity. On the other hand a person with HIV would be more of a cost to them.




    I'm well aware of what "stealthing" is. I use ONLY my own condoms so stealthing is a non-issue for me.

    You don't know my life. Yes, I had a guy over and and he slept over. That was not a hookup though; it was a date with someone I have seen several times. I don't allow strangers to sleep over.

    One cannot overlook the fact that you seem desperate to label, judge and shame anyone who is having a healthy sex life. Is it simply jealousy? Or are you envious that a gay man can have a sex life without feeling shame or feelings of self loathing? Considering how you have never had the guts to post a face pic, I'm guessing it might be a bit of both.
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    robbaker saidGeez and this is why gaymen will always be stigmatized for their reckless risky behavior .whatever happen to dating someone getting to know one build a loving chemistry? It's all about hookups how many cocks and ass you can get on a daily basis gaymen hooking up at these orgy parties where they're all having unprotected sex .the gay scene is all about fashion drugs unprotected sex vanity and death


    Truvada is being marketed to high risk gay men and sex workers. Isn't that nice how they lump these two groups of people together.icon_rolleyes.gif It costs around $1200 a month. Some people can get it for free if they can prove need. Some insurance companies will pay for it, others will not.

    A 61 year old man in Boston is negative and has been on Truvada as a preventative. He applied to Mutual of Omaha for additional health insurance and was denied so he's suing them. GLAD said,"he was illegally denied service based on his sexuality and perceived disability, and that Mutual of Omaha is in violation of anti-discrimination laws that protect individuals from adverse treatment based on incorrect judgments about LGBT people and health care."




    So if I talk about dogs and cats, do you immediately think of them as being the same just because I used them in the same sentence? Gay men are "high risk" because they don't have vaginas. Period. Vaginas do not tear nearly as easily as the rectum, which can allow an easier passageway into the bloodstream. So a straight man or woman can be as promiscuous as they want, and chances are they will not contract HIV. But a gay man who doesn't have nearly as many sexual partners is at a much higher risk strictly because anal sex is his only way of having intercourse. Women also tend to dislike anal sex which also helps keep them safe. And lets face it......NOBODY likes condoms, so sometimes people will take chances and forego the condom. Ad this with the possibility of condom breakage and you've got an epidemic. And that's exactly what's happened. Yes, many gay men are sex addicts, but to say that every man who wants to protect himself is automatically on par with a prostitute is ignorant and juvenile.


    Bingo! It's biological. But you still want to be part of that scene and that's why the gay community has an HIV+ rate of 20% after thirty years of education and free condoms. The medical community is at a loss for words. You may not even know this but anal in the gay community didn't even become common until the 70's and look what happened a short time later.

    Your profile says "Not into the gay scene at all". You are officially on a pill marketed for gay men, primarily bottoms because of their vulnerability to HIV infection, so you are into the gay scene, big time.icon_biggrin.gif

    I just read a post of yours. You don't hook up but you had a guy sleep over and he had sex with you.icon_rolleyes.gif You were going through the garbage the next morning and found a broken condom. Well, it could have broke because no condom has ever been designed for anal sex. Or it could be stealthing, tricking a trick!

    http://iblastinside.com/2012/06/top-10-stealthing-tips/





    Right; it IS true that anal sex was not popular until the late 1970s or so as I also have pointed out several times.

    At one time, the "Advocate" was a popular national gay newspaper. One could tell from the personals advertisements that most gay men did not want anal sex. For reasons that I do not understand, it is now widely assumed that anal is the ONLY way gay men have sex, but of course that isn't true. Many gay men constantly ask, "Top or bottom?" thereby assuming that everyone wants anal sex. They seem confused if one replies "neither" and absolutely astounded if one says that he absolutely does not want anal sex.

    One would think that if the majority of gay men could change their preference to anal sex they could also change their preference away from anal sex. It may be that the anti-HIV workers are unintentionally supporting the preference for anal sex by causing gay men to assume that it is the only way for gay men to have sex.