UK: It’s not just VW: Official tester claims four more diesel car giants break toxic emissions limit - BMW, Ford, Mazda and Mercedes. Volkswagen agrees to $10B emissions settlement

  • metta

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    Oct 07, 2015 3:59 PM GMT
    It’s not just VW: Official tester claims four more diesel car giants break toxic emissions limit

    Researchers found BMW, Ford, Mazda and Mercedes cars emitted levels of nitrogen oxides up to seven times the legal limit

    Volkswagen engines polluted 35 per cent less than comparable cars
    Findings suggest other manufacturers have found ways to pass the tests

    British drivers could sue Volkswagen for £2.4bn in compensation


    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3259067/It-s-not-just-VW-Official-tester-claims-four-diesel-car-giants-break-toxic-emissions-limit.html
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    Oct 08, 2015 2:42 PM GMT

    I think that part of the responsibility lies who developed the emissions standards.
    The testing needs to be robust and the standards achievable if they are to be meaningful.
  • FRE0

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    Oct 08, 2015 8:44 PM GMT
    metta saidIt’s not just VW: Official tester claims four more diesel car giants break toxic emissions limit

    Researchers found BMW, Ford, Mazda and Mercedes cars emitted levels of nitrogen oxides up to seven times the legal limit

    Volkswagen engines polluted 35 per cent less than comparable cars
    Findings suggest other manufacturers have found ways to pass the tests

    British drivers could sue Volkswagen for £2.4bn in compensation


    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3259067/It-s-not-just-VW-Official-tester-claims-four-diesel-car-giants-break-toxic-emissions-limit.html


    From the article:

    "Rather than laboratory tests that don’t test cars on gradients or on corners, Dr Tate says testing cars in ‘real-world’ conditions gives a more accurate picture."

    Of course; why isn't that obvious? Why are they just now figuring that out?

    It is likely that the same problem, although perhaps to a lesser degree, exists with gasoline cars. I've had emissions tested on cars and noted that it is always done with the car standing still. Cars are not tested under normal conditions which leads me to question the validity of the emissions tests. In my opinion, a test is not valid unless it is run under actual or simulated normal operating conditions. The same is true for fuel efficiency tests.

    I saw that as a potential problem way back when emissions testing began. It is amazing that it is taking so long for government authorities to figure it out.

    Based on my experience, people tend to assume too much regardless of the subject. They fail to demand a sufficiently high standard of evidence. That also applies to energy and other issues.
  • tj85016

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    Oct 09, 2015 8:51 AM GMT
    I think it's all politics, the EPA and the US government probably knew about the VW emissions scam for years

    somebody wanted to send a message to Germany for some reason
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    Oct 09, 2015 3:31 PM GMT
    Ford's diesel problem will be limited to Europe. Their strategy of Eco-boost (turbo and bi-turbo) and Electric/Hybrid should help. The Focus/Fiesta have a 1.0 EB petrol engine (we only get it in the Fiesta).

    I've wondered why they didn't bring their diesel line to the US. Not that I like diesels! I never understood the Euro fascination with diesel: it's inherently dirty.

    Ford US has already said their diesel trucks will pass emissions.
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    Oct 09, 2015 3:44 PM GMT
    timmm55 said... I've wondered why they didn't bring their diesel line to the US...
    prevailing climate in the UK is mostly moderate temperatures but mostly all pollution moves east over the European continent.
  • FRE0

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    Oct 09, 2015 6:23 PM GMT
    tj85016 saidI think it's all politics, the EPA and the US government probably knew about the VW emissions scam for years

    somebody wanted to send a message to Germany for some reason


    I suppose that anything is possible. Who knows?
  • metta

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    Nov 03, 2015 7:46 AM GMT
    VW Investigation Widens: Porsches And Audis Also Had Cheating Devices

    Among the diesel models officials named as being in violation of U.S. laws are the Porsche Cayenne sport utility vehicle and five Audi models.


    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/vw-investigation-widens-porsches-and-audis-also-had-cheating-devices_5637b774e4b0c66bae5d4708
  • metta

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    Jan 05, 2016 6:02 AM GMT
    Volkswagen Cheated On Its Emissions Tests. Now, It’s Getting Sued.

    http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2016/01/04/3735811/vw-sued-over-cheating-scandal/
  • metta

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    Jun 24, 2016 4:21 AM GMT
    Volkswagen agrees to $10B emissions settlement


    http://www.marketwatch.com/story/volkswagen-agrees-to-10b-emissions-settlement-2016-06-23?siteid=nwhpf