The vast majority of gay men didn’t use a condom the last time they had sex

  • metta

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    Oct 11, 2015 5:58 PM GMT
    The vast majority of gay men didn’t use a condom the last time they had sex

    "A recent study found that 72 percent of respondents said they didn’t use condoms the last time they had anal sex."

    http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2015/10/the-vast-majority-of-gay-men-didnt-use-a-condom-the-last-time-they-had-sex/
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    Oct 12, 2015 7:48 AM GMT
    metta saidThe vast majority of gay men didn’t use a condom the last time they had sex

    "A recent study found that 72 percent of respondents said they didn’t use condoms the last time they had anal sex."

    http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2015/10/the-vast-majority-of-gay-men-didnt-use-a-condom-the-last-time-they-had-sex/

    Except that the study data show only 22% did not use a condom if men having sex with regular partners were excluded.
  • Muscles25

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    Oct 12, 2015 2:00 PM GMT
    Conclusion: gay men are stupid. You should never have sex without a condiment. Ever. Period.
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    Oct 12, 2015 2:47 PM GMT
    Muscles25 saidConclusion: gay men are stupid. You should never have sex without a condiment. Ever. Period.

    First, a silly aside to a serious subject: some of our local gay restaurant owners love to create amusing T-shirt imprints for their servers to wear. One has this on the shirt backs: "Always use a condiment"

    Now to be serious. Even though I preach 100% condom use for single gay men, in contrast, monogamously partnered gay men who have been testing negative for a minimum of 6 months, and continue to test, may begin to safely bareback.

    But here's the deadly catch: you're placing your future life in this guy's hands (or crotch), since you're trusting in his fidelity that he won't cheat, not once. And he is trusting you.

    I've personally known guys who contracted HIV because their supposedly faithful partners or BFs were cheating. Before you bareback you better be damn sure of him, remain safe an additional 6 months while being tested after you first begin having sex with him, and continue to be tested. I recommend every 6 months.

    Because HIV does not appear spontaneously, or come from the air, like a common cold or something. It comes from direct contact with a poz person or contaminated material. If you don't do that then you can't contract it. And barebacking can then become safe for a couple.
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    Oct 12, 2015 3:25 PM GMT
    That's is ONE way to be safe, using condoms 100% of the time. But many men don't. Not all the time. And not correctly either. We tried preaching condoms for 20+ years and that public health message hasn't worked. HIV rates are still increasing in our community. Because the truth is condoms suck. Bareback feels better. You don't have to interrupt the flow of the mojo to put on a condom. You don't need copious amounts of lube. So when drunk or high it's all too easy to skip the condom.
    Which is why TasP and PrEP are such breakthroughs. It is much easier to remember to take a pill in the morning while sober than find a condom while drunk. It's not a competition between PrEP and condoms, they're complimentary tools in ending HIV in our generation. Condoms haven't stopped HIV, so doubling down on a failed public health strategy for moral reasons because "bareback=bad" is the height of stupidity.
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    Oct 12, 2015 3:47 PM GMT
    Honestly I think it's all the Prep users out there. It's a bit scary that they are going bareback because of the 92% rating that it will protect them from hiv transmission, however neglect the 8%. It's not fool proof. icon_confused.gif
  • Sincityfan

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    Oct 12, 2015 4:32 PM GMT
    And yet 99.9% of the dudes here "always" practice safe sex. icon_rolleyes.gif

    Nothing new though. This has been happening even before prep was introduced.

    Wasn't there also a study out there that said guys that +70% of the guys would be more likely to bareback if they thought their partner was hot?
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    Oct 12, 2015 4:43 PM GMT
    I used to rubber up, all the time, every time without question, with every guy i'd hook up with. My fiancee had the same philosophy.

    That's why today, we are totally std free and negative on every test.

    But, since we are 100% committed to each other, wholly monogamous, and trust in each other to stay that way... We've been going at it bareback.

    We still keep clean, and we've not had so much as a UTI in over a year of rubberless sex.

    We still are "safe"... We've just got a new definition of what "safe" means for us.
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    Oct 12, 2015 5:53 PM GMT
    This is not surprising at all, particularly with the recent popularity of PrEP. This is not a condemnation of PrEP use or the people who are on it. Rather, it's an acknowledgment that some people use PrEP as a license to engage regularly in bareback penetrative anal sex.
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    Oct 12, 2015 6:10 PM GMT
    metta saidThe vast majority of gay men didn’t use a condom the last time they had sex

    "A recent study found that 72 percent of respondents said they didn’t use condoms the last time they had anal sex."

    http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2015/10/the-vast-majority-of-gay-men-didnt-use-a-condom-the-last-time-they-had-sex/


    Would NEVER be a problem since I do not like anal sex, give or take.
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    Oct 12, 2015 6:22 PM GMT
    Mesmer saidHonestly I think it's all the Prep users out there. It's a bit scary that they are going bareback because of the 92% rating that it will protect them from hiv transmission, however neglect the 8%. It's not fool proof. icon_confused.gif


    You're misreading the studies. PrEP is AT LEAST 96% effective. The most recent study had 0/600 people seroconverted in two years of being on PrEP.
    The issue is people aren't choosing between condoms and PrEP. Bareback sex is happening already. The choice is between bareback sex with or without PrEP.
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    Mesmer saidHonestly I think it's all the Prep users out there. It's a bit scary that they are going bareback because of the 92% rating that it will protect them from hiv transmission, however neglect the 8%. It's not fool proof. icon_confused.gif


    You're misreading the studies. PrEP is AT LEAST 96% effective. The most recent study had 0/600 people seroconverted in two years of being on PrEP.
    The issue is people aren't choosing between condoms and PrEP. Bareback sex is happening already. The choice is between bareback sex with or without PrEP.


    +1

    And please, don't be the guy that doesn't get on PrEP because the guys he hooks up with claim they are on PrEP. If you hook up, get on PrEP yourself. Don't rely on others to do your protection for you.
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    Mesmer saidHonestly I think it's all the Prep users out there. It's a bit scary that they are going bareback because of the 92% rating that it will protect them from hiv transmission, however neglect the 8%. It's not fool proof. icon_confused.gif


    You're misreading the studies. PrEP is AT LEAST 96% effective. The most recent study had 0/600 people seroconverted in two years of being on PrEP.
    The issue is people aren't choosing between condoms and PrEP. Bareback sex is happening already. The choice is between bareback sex with or without PrEP.


    Okay I was answering the OP's instictive question of:

    metta saidThe vast majority of gay men didn’t use a condom the last time they had sex



    My friends who still use grindr has seen a huge skyrocket of gay men open to bareback and even post it on their profiles that they are okay with bareback sex. Last time I checked when I was in the dating scene there were hardly little to no men who were open to bareback sex, much less put it in their profiles. There is a very strong correlation with Prep which just popped out of the market to the number of men willing to do bareback sex because they are on it. The issue is actually, people are choosing condoms over Prep. Because to them Prep is another method of a barrier to help prevent HIV infection. Which to me going from a condom which has a higher rate of HIV prevention to something as consumable, is absolutely ludicrous.

    It doesn't matter what % of it is effective. It's not 100% and you have to constantly keep consuming the medication. It's like birth control. Many women are on it, yes it prevents pregnancies, does it always no. Sometimes women forget to take it, what happens if men forget to take their prep?
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    themachine said
    Wyndahoi said
    Mesmer saidHonestly I think it's all the Prep users out there. It's a bit scary that they are going bareback because of the 92% rating that it will protect them from hiv transmission, however neglect the 8%. It's not fool proof. icon_confused.gif


    You're misreading the studies. PrEP is AT LEAST 96% effective. The most recent study had 0/600 people seroconverted in two years of being on PrEP.
    The issue is people aren't choosing between condoms and PrEP. Bareback sex is happening already. The choice is between bareback sex with or without PrEP.


    +1

    And please, don't be the guy that doesn't get on PrEP because the guys he hooks up with claim they are on PrEP. If you hook up, get on PrEP yourself. Don't rely on others to do your protection for you.


    Da fuq, Just use a condom! that is a guaranteed way to know that you are having safe sex!

    you know what, do what you guys want. Have all the bareback sex that you want, with random people you want. Your life and health, not mine.

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    Oct 12, 2015 8:15 PM GMT
    Mesmer said
    themachine said
    Wyndahoi said
    Mesmer saidHonestly I think it's all the Prep users out there. It's a bit scary that they are going bareback because of the 92% rating that it will protect them from hiv transmission, however neglect the 8%. It's not fool proof. icon_confused.gif


    You're misreading the studies. PrEP is AT LEAST 96% effective. The most recent study had 0/600 people seroconverted in two years of being on PrEP.
    The issue is people aren't choosing between condoms and PrEP. Bareback sex is happening already. The choice is between bareback sex with or without PrEP.


    +1

    And please, don't be the guy that doesn't get on PrEP because the guys he hooks up with claim they are on PrEP. If you hook up, get on PrEP yourself. Don't rely on others to do your protection for you.


    Da fuq, Just use a condom! that is a guaranteed way to know that you are having safe sex!

    you know what, do what you guys want. Have all the bareback sex that you want, with random people you want. Your life and health, not mine.

    what-are-u-wearing-mad-men.gif


    Sorry, there is no guarantee in sex! In the real world condoms are effective 70-80% with anal sex. fumbling around, breakage, wrong lube, etc. makes it very subject to human error.
    It CAN be 90+% effective.

    I agree with Wyndahoi 100%.

    While the article states a remarkably high rate of non-use of condoms, it's doesn't state what other strategies they are using in place of condoms.


    ACON
    There are now at least five strategies that reasonably constitute‘safe sex’, provided that certain parameters are met.
    They are:
    1.The use of Condoms during casual encounters between men of unknown or discordant serostatus.
    2.HIV negative men taking effective pre-exposure prophylaxis (PrEP).
    3.Men living with HIV who only have sex without condoms when they have a sustained undetectable viral load (UVL) and in the absence of sexually transmissible infections (STIs).
    4.Effective use of serosorting between HIV positive men.
    5.Effective negotiated safety agreements.

    http://www.acon.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/What-is-Safe-Sex-Position-2014.pdf


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    Oct 12, 2015 8:49 PM GMT
    JonSpringon saidI used to rubber up, all the time, every time without question, with every guy i'd hook up with. My fiancee had the same philosophy.

    That's why today, we are totally std free and negative on every test.

    But, since we are 100% committed to each other, wholly monogamous, and trust in each other to stay that way... We've been going at it bareback.

    We still keep clean, and we've not had so much as a UTI in over a year of rubberless sex.

    We still are "safe"... We've just got a new definition of what "safe" means for us.


    Yep, it's the only safe sex.
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    Oct 12, 2015 8:50 PM GMT
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    Muscles25 saidConclusion: gay men are stupid. You should never have sex without a condiment. Ever. Period.

    First, a silly aside to a serious subject: some of our local gay restaurant owners love to create amusing T-shirt imprints for their servers to wear. One has this on the shirt backs: "Always use a condiment"

    Now to be serious. Even though I preach 100% condom use for single gay men, in contrast, monogamously partnered gay men who have been testing negative for a minimum of 6 months, and continue to test, may begin to safely bareback.

    But here's the deadly catch: you're placing your future life in this guy's hands (or crotch), since you're trusting in his fidelity that he won't cheat, not once. And he is trusting you.

    I've personally known guys who contracted HIV because their supposedly faithful partners or BFs were cheating. Before you bareback you better be damn sure of him, remain safe an additional 6 months while being tested after you first begin having sex with him, and continue to be tested. I recommend every 6 months.

    Because HIV does not appear spontaneously, or come from the air, like a common cold or something. It comes from direct contact with a poz person or contaminated material. If you don't do that then you can't contract it. (really????DUH!) And barebacking can then become safe for a couple.


    I see you are still doing the "BLAME GAME" where it's the lying, cheating "contaminated" POZ guys who are at fault.

    Here's a hint: Negative guys on PrEP are in control of their OWN health. No one has to be "placing your future life in this guy's hands." (Divisive Boogie Man tactic.)

    Your only condomless strategy is for Negative couples who are 100% monogamous and test often. I'd call it the Unicorn Method.

    You've never conceded the Partners Study effects.
    WHAT UNDETECTABLE MEANS FOR HIV- GUYS

    "If you have sex with a person that is HIV+ and has an undetectable viral load, you basically have “zero” chances of acquiring the virus from them. I put the zero in quotation marks, because when it comes to sex nothing is 100 per cent guaranteed

    That “zero” figure though comes from the PARTNER study, which in 2014 announced that out of the 44,400 instances of condomless sex that occurred between HIV+ people on treatment and their negative partners, there were zero instances of transmission: none of the HIV+ people passed on the virus to their partners."

    http://gaynewsnetwork.com.au/checkup/hiv/a-gay-s-guide-to-undetectable-17870.html
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    JonSpringon saidI used to rubber up, all the time, every time without question, with every guy i'd hook up with. My fiancee had the same philosophy.

    That's why today, we are totally std free and negative on every test.

    But, since we are 100% committed to each other, wholly monogamous, and trust in each other to stay that way... We've been going at it bareback.

    We still keep clean, and we've not had so much as a UTI in over a year of rubberless sex.

    We still are "safe"... We've just got a new definition of what "safe" means for us.


    Yep, it's the only safe sex.


    You missed the point. It (condom use) ISN'T the only safe sex.
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    Wyndahoi said
    Mesmer saidHonestly I think it's all the Prep users out there. It's a bit scary that they are going bareback because of the 92% rating that it will protect them from hiv transmission, however neglect the 8%. It's not fool proof. icon_confused.gif


    You're misreading the studies. PrEP is AT LEAST 96% effective. The most recent study had 0/600 people seroconverted in two years of being on PrEP.
    The issue is people aren't choosing between condoms and PrEP. Bareback sex is happening already. The choice is between bareback sex with or without PrEP.


    +1

    And please, don't be the guy that doesn't get on PrEP because the guys he hooks up with claim they are on PrEP. If you hook up, get on PrEP yourself. Don't rely on others to do your protection for you.


    Da fuq, Just use a condom! that is a guaranteed way to know that you are having safe sex!

    you know what, do what you guys want. Have all the bareback sex that you want, with random people you want. Your life and health, not mine.

    what-are-u-wearing-mad-men.gif


    Sorry, there is no guarantee in sex! In the real world condoms are effective 70-80% with anal sex. fumbling around, breakage, wrong lube, etc. makes it very subject to human error.
    It CAN be 90+% effective.

    I agree with Wyndahoi 100%.

    While the article states a remarkably high rate of non-use of condoms, it's doesn't state what other strategies they are using in place of condoms.


    ACON
    There are now at least five strategies that reasonably constitute‘safe sex’, provided that certain parameters are met.
    They are:
    1.The use of Condoms during casual encounters between men of unknown or discordant serostatus.
    2.HIV negative men taking effective pre-exposure prophylaxis (PrEP).
    3.Men living with HIV who only have sex without condoms when they have a sustained undetectable viral load (UVL) and in the absence of sexually transmissible infections (STIs).
    4.Effective use of serosorting between HIV positive men.
    5.Effective negotiated safety agreements.

    http://www.acon.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/What-is-Safe-Sex-Position-2014.pdf




    um, no if I know a guy is HIV positive I would never let his raw dick inside me. I don't care about viral loads or whatever bullshit you throw my way. Fucker is wearing a god damn condom. And I will be the one putting it on him.
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    Oct 12, 2015 10:27 PM GMT
    So, I met with a couple of guys who said they play safe, but I had to ask them to put on the condom. tsk tsk icon_rolleyes.gif. I know condom doesn't feel good, but safety is cool and it's #1. That's my motto.
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    Oct 12, 2015 11:07 PM GMT
    metta saidThe vast majority of gay men didn’t use a condom the last time they had sex

    "A recent study found that 72 percent of respondents said they didn’t use condoms the last time they had anal sex."

    http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2015/10/the-vast-majority-of-gay-men-didnt-use-a-condom-the-last-time-they-had-sex/


    The headline of the article, which is, "The vast majority of gay men didn’t use a condom the last time they had sex", is misleading. When one actually reads the article one then finds that they are talking about anal sex.

    Unfortunately, it seems that the majority of gay men think that the only way to have sex is anal. Actually, there are many gay men to do not want anal sex and who are put in a difficult position when asked, "Top or bottom?" since that does not apply to them. When one answers, "Neither", the asker seems confused.

    Also, it is difficult to find someone who doesn't want to jump into bed immediately and who is interested in cuddling.
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    Oct 12, 2015 11:35 PM GMT
    Mesmer said
    timmm55 said
    Mesmer said
    themachine said
    Wyndahoi said
    Mesmer saidHonestly I think it's all the Prep users out there. It's a bit scary that they are going bareback because of the 92% rating that it will protect them from hiv transmission, however neglect the 8%. It's not fool proof. icon_confused.gif


    You're misreading the studies. PrEP is AT LEAST 96% effective. The most recent study had 0/600 people seroconverted in two years of being on PrEP.
    The issue is people aren't choosing between condoms and PrEP. Bareback sex is happening already. The choice is between bareback sex with or without PrEP.


    +1

    And please, don't be the guy that doesn't get on PrEP because the guys he hooks up with claim they are on PrEP. If you hook up, get on PrEP yourself. Don't rely on others to do your protection for you.


    Da fuq, Just use a condom! that is a guaranteed way to know that you are having safe sex!

    you know what, do what you guys want. Have all the bareback sex that you want, with random people you want. Your life and health, not mine.

    what-are-u-wearing-mad-men.gif


    Sorry, there is no guarantee in sex! In the real world condoms are effective 70-80% with anal sex. fumbling around, breakage, wrong lube, etc. makes it very subject to human error.
    It CAN be 90+% effective.

    I agree with Wyndahoi 100%.

    While the article states a remarkably high rate of non-use of condoms, it's doesn't state what other strategies they are using in place of condoms.


    ACON
    There are now at least five strategies that reasonably constitute‘safe sex’, provided that certain parameters are met.
    They are:
    1.The use of Condoms during casual encounters between men of unknown or discordant serostatus.
    2.HIV negative men taking effective pre-exposure prophylaxis (PrEP).
    3.Men living with HIV who only have sex without condoms when they have a sustained undetectable viral load (UVL) and in the absence of sexually transmissible infections (STIs).
    4.Effective use of serosorting between HIV positive men.
    5.Effective negotiated safety agreements.

    http://www.acon.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/What-is-Safe-Sex-Position-2014.pdf




    um, no if I know a guy is HIV positive I would never let his raw dick inside me. I don't care about viral loads or whatever bullshit you throw my way. Fucker is wearing a god damn condom. And I will be the one putting it on him.


    Viral load isn't 'bullshit'. No one is telling you NOT to use a condom, read #1 above.

    While I agree everything is negotiated prior, you can't force anyone to do anything.
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    Oct 13, 2015 2:32 AM GMT
    JonSpringon said
    But, since we are 100% committed to each other, wholly monogamous, and trust in each other to stay that way... We've been going at it bareback.


    Heard that before..................................
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    metta saidThe vast majority of gay men didn’t use a condom the last time they had sex

    "A recent study found that 72 percent of respondents said they didn’t use condoms the last time they had anal sex."

    http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2015/10/the-vast-majority-of-gay-men-didnt-use-a-condom-the-last-time-they-had-sex/


    The headline of the article, which is, "The vast majority of gay men didn’t use a condom the last time they had sex", is misleading. When one actually reads the article one then finds that they are talking about anal sex.

    Unfortunately, it seems that the majority of gay men think that the only way to have sex is anal. Actually, there are many gay men to do not want anal sex and who are put in a difficult position when asked, "Top or bottom?" since that does not apply to them. When one answers, "Neither", the asker seems confused.

    Also, it is difficult to find someone who doesn't want to jump into bed immediately and who is interested in cuddling.


    http://www.thebody.com/content/64466/oral-sex-more-popular-than-anal-sex-says-recent-se.html
    Researchers from Indiana University, George Mason University and Online Buddies, Inc., polled more than 24,700 gay and bisexual men ages 18 to 87 to ask them about their most recent sexual experience -- and what they found was somewhat surprising.

    Anal sex among MSM is not as popular as one might think -- only 35.5 percent and 33.8 percent of participants engaged in receptive or insertive anal intercourse, respectively, as their last sexual act. The most common sexual activity was oral sex -- 75 percent performed it while 73.4 percent received it.
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    Oct 13, 2015 4:55 AM GMT
    joovi saidSo, I met with a couple of guys who said they play safe, but I had to ask them to put on the condom. tsk tsk icon_rolleyes.gif. I know condom doesn't feel good, but safety is cool and it's #1. That's my motto.


    Excuse me but your ignorance is showing. Condoms are ONE among many options for safe sex. If that is the one you choose, great. Not everyone is going to make the same choice as you. It behooves you to be knowledgeable about other methods. And if someone chooses a different safe sex practice than you they're not a bad man or a slut or have anything to be ashamed of.

    Sex feels good. Sex is a big part of life for the vast majority of us. Sex comes with risk. Always. There are choices you can make about your sexual practices that can greatly diminish your chances of getting a STD; however NONE of these options have a moral component. Bareback sex is not a sin!