This is tempting if I was making money again.

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    Oct 12, 2015 5:07 PM GMT
    https://app.audiogon.com/listings/tube-vac-statement-line-level-preamp-i-believe-the-best-all-around-preamp-i-ever-heard-2015-10-07-preamplifiers-94560-newark-ca--2

    It's getting easier and easier to blow a half million on an audio system. Get this and a couple hundred thousand in power amps, then a phono stage, then well over a $100k in a turntable. Then a $100k plus on speakers. Throw in $50 to 100K in cables and you're set
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    Oct 12, 2015 5:13 PM GMT
    And if I was going to do another turntable it'd be this one.

    http://highendpalace.com/S/C216.jpg
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    Oct 12, 2015 10:24 PM GMT
    Solid state amplifiers have advanced to the extent that it is next to impossible to measure any differences in amplification accuracy among amplifiers with the possible exception of very cheap ones.

    As for speakers, the ultimate woofer is the rotary woofer. Google "rotary woofer". It's frequency response goes all the way down to zero Hz; nothing else can do that.
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    Oct 12, 2015 11:51 PM GMT
    A majority of people can't tell the difference between music played through a tin can or through a $50K audiophile system. Let's be real. People buy these things for the aesthetics. They're beautifully designed and crafted. If I had the money, I'd certainly get a system and showcase it in a special room. It's like art.
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    Oct 13, 2015 1:58 AM GMT
    FRE0 saidSolid state amplifiers have advanced to the extent that it is next to impossible to measure any differences in amplification accuracy among amplifiers with the possible exception of very cheap ones.

    As for speakers, the ultimate woofer is the rotary woofer. Google "rotary woofer". It's frequency response goes all the way down to zero Hz; nothing else can do that.


    Incorrect, trying to measure unless you consider yours ears the instrument with which to measure. As is with the case with analog, tube still sounds better to me and I will be diving in again one of these days. It's gonna hurt cost wise, but the very best solid state amps are just as expensive and heavy.

    Problem for me is they all sound different so it becomes the ultimate exercise in frustration trying to figure out which one is the ONE. And to compound all of that, every set of interconnects and speaker cables sound different, but which is best?

    I didn't want to get back into this, but it's happening again.

    And the more you listen the more you hear so it progressively get more difficult.
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    Oct 13, 2015 2:01 AM GMT
    xrichx saidA majority of people can't tell the difference between music played through a tin can or through a $50K audiophile system. Let's be real. People buy these things for the aesthetics. They're beautifully designed and crafted. If I had the money, I'd certainly get a system and showcase it in a special room. It's like art.


    Amazingly, vast vast majority don't have a clue. That's what's fun about this. It gives me my 'odd man out' status that I've relished since junior high.

    And it is truly art and much of it is really good.




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    Oct 13, 2015 2:19 AM GMT
    I love the front and rear wall defused this guy has. And he has a hell of a selection of vintage, extreme high end turntables with four arms plus the two new ones at the end.



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    Oct 13, 2015 2:36 AM GMT
    And for VAC

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    xrichx saidA majority of people can't tell the difference between music played through a tin can or through a $50K audiophile system. Let's be real. People buy these things for the aesthetics. They're beautifully designed and crafted. If I had the money, I'd certainly get a system and showcase it in a special room. It's like art.



    That's bullshit. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Oct 13, 2015 3:06 AM GMT
    Radd said
    xrichx saidA majority of people can't tell the difference between music played through a tin can or through a $50K audiophile system. Let's be real. People buy these things for the aesthetics. They're beautifully designed and crafted. If I had the money, I'd certainly get a system and showcase it in a special room. It's like art.



    That's bullshit. icon_rolleyes.gif


    But when they're expose to it some are really shocked and some remain clueless.

    My speakers, which are electrostatics, are positioned 38% out into the room and I listen nearfield most of the time. It's sorta like a 3D projection TV in that you hear nothing coming out of the projection unit (the speakers) and everything is projected back there just as the original performance complete with the original soundstage positioning, width and depth and in a very convincing way on many recordings.

    Folks generally tell me that hear it for the first time: "where's the sound coming from" I answer: "everywhere". "But but but, out of what" And I say "go put your ear up to the speaker" Then its: "but sitting over there it sounds like its real, and coming from everywhere, but the speakers". "Well, that's the point"

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    Oct 13, 2015 3:13 AM GMT
    freedomisntfree said
    Radd said
    xrichx saidA majority of people can't tell the difference between music played through a tin can or through a $50K audiophile system. Let's be real. People buy these things for the aesthetics. They're beautifully designed and crafted. If I had the money, I'd certainly get a system and showcase it in a special room. It's like art.



    That's bullshit. icon_rolleyes.gif


    But when they're expose to it some are really shocked and some remain clueless.

    My speakers, which are electrostatics, are positioned 38% out into the room and I listen nearfield most of the time. It's sorta like a 3D projection TV in that you hear nothing coming out of the projection unit (the speakers) and everything is projected back there just as the original performance complete with the original soundstage positioning, width and depth and in a very convincing way on many recordings.

    Folks generally tell me that hear for the first time: "where's the sound coming from" I answer: "everywhere". "But but but, out of what" And I say "go put your ear up to the speaker" Then its: "but sitting over there it sounds like its real, and coming from everywhere, but the speakers".
    "Well, that's the point"




    Yeah, people who say shit like this have never been in a room with a truly high-end sound system. No one pays that kind of money for appearances. In fact, it's one of the few expensive things in life where looks means nothing.
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    Oct 13, 2015 3:20 AM GMT
    Radd said
    freedomisntfree said
    Radd said
    xrichx saidA majority of people can't tell the difference between music played through a tin can or through a $50K audiophile system. Let's be real. People buy these things for the aesthetics. They're beautifully designed and crafted. If I had the money, I'd certainly get a system and showcase it in a special room. It's like art.



    That's bullshit. icon_rolleyes.gif


    But when they're expose to it some are really shocked and some remain clueless.

    My speakers, which are electrostatics, are positioned 38% out into the room and I listen nearfield most of the time. It's sorta like a 3D projection TV in that you hear nothing coming out of the projection unit (the speakers) and everything is projected back there just as the original performance complete with the original soundstage positioning, width and depth and in a very convincing way on many recordings.

    Folks generally tell me that hear for the first time: "where's the sound coming from" I answer: "everywhere". "But but but, out of what" And I say "go put your ear up to the speaker" Then its: "but sitting over there it sounds like its real, and coming from everywhere, but the speakers".
    "Well, that's the point"




    Yeah, people who say shit like this have never been in a room with a truly high-end sound system. No one pays that kind of money for appearances. In fact, it's one of the few expensive things in life where looks means nothing.


    "Yeah, people who say shit like this have never been in a room with a truly high-end sound system"

    Correct, and that's what's fun about this. Most people around here are very smart, and into all sorts of hobbies, just not this one. With the exception of the one guy over at the next corner who has Sound Labs.

    http://pic6.audiogon.com/i/c/f/1297574228.jpg

    https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/d4/5a/b0/d45ab0c4968301dc1b9d99b4c2a724ae.jpg That's a set of Atma Sphere MA-2s driving these (56 output tubes)

    He 'got it' perfectly.
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    Oct 13, 2015 5:30 AM GMT
    Radd said
    freedomisntfree said
    Radd said
    xrichx saidA majority of people can't tell the difference between music played through a tin can or through a $50K audiophile system. Let's be real. People buy these things for the aesthetics. They're beautifully designed and crafted. If I had the money, I'd certainly get a system and showcase it in a special room. It's like art.



    That's bullshit. icon_rolleyes.gif


    But when they're expose to it some are really shocked and some remain clueless.

    My speakers, which are electrostatics, are positioned 38% out into the room and I listen nearfield most of the time. It's sorta like a 3D projection TV in that you hear nothing coming out of the projection unit (the speakers) and everything is projected back there just as the original performance complete with the original soundstage positioning, width and depth and in a very convincing way on many recordings.

    Folks generally tell me that hear for the first time: "where's the sound coming from" I answer: "everywhere". "But but but, out of what" And I say "go put your ear up to the speaker" Then its: "but sitting over there it sounds like its real, and coming from everywhere, but the speakers".
    "Well, that's the point"




    Yeah, people who say shit like this have never been in a room with a truly high-end sound system. No one pays that kind of money for appearances. In fact, it's one of the few expensive things in life where looks means nothing.

    Says the guy that bought a $10K refrigerator. icon_lol.gif
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    Oct 13, 2015 5:33 AM GMT
    xrichx said
    Radd said
    freedomisntfree said
    Radd said
    xrichx saidA majority of people can't tell the difference between music played through a tin can or through a $50K audiophile system. Let's be real. People buy these things for the aesthetics. They're beautifully designed and crafted. If I had the money, I'd certainly get a system and showcase it in a special room. It's like art.



    That's bullshit. icon_rolleyes.gif


    But when they're expose to it some are really shocked and some remain clueless.

    My speakers, which are electrostatics, are positioned 38% out into the room and I listen nearfield most of the time. It's sorta like a 3D projection TV in that you hear nothing coming out of the projection unit (the speakers) and everything is projected back there just as the original performance complete with the original soundstage positioning, width and depth and in a very convincing way on many recordings.

    Folks generally tell me that hear for the first time: "where's the sound coming from" I answer: "everywhere". "But but but, out of what" And I say "go put your ear up to the speaker" Then its: "but sitting over there it sounds like its real, and coming from everywhere, but the speakers".
    "Well, that's the point"




    Yeah, people who say shit like this have never been in a room with a truly high-end sound system. No one pays that kind of money for appearances. In fact, it's one of the few expensive things in life where looks means nothing.

    Says the guy that bought a $10K refrigerator. icon_lol.gif


    Who bought a $10k refrig?
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    Oct 13, 2015 5:39 AM GMT
    freedomisntfree said
    xrichx said
    Radd said
    freedomisntfree said
    Radd said
    xrichx saidA majority of people can't tell the difference between music played through a tin can or through a $50K audiophile system. Let's be real. People buy these things for the aesthetics. They're beautifully designed and crafted. If I had the money, I'd certainly get a system and showcase it in a special room. It's like art.



    That's bullshit. icon_rolleyes.gif


    But when they're expose to it some are really shocked and some remain clueless.

    My speakers, which are electrostatics, are positioned 38% out into the room and I listen nearfield most of the time. It's sorta like a 3D projection TV in that you hear nothing coming out of the projection unit (the speakers) and everything is projected back there just as the original performance complete with the original soundstage positioning, width and depth and in a very convincing way on many recordings.

    Folks generally tell me that hear for the first time: "where's the sound coming from" I answer: "everywhere". "But but but, out of what" And I say "go put your ear up to the speaker" Then its: "but sitting over there it sounds like its real, and coming from everywhere, but the speakers".
    "Well, that's the point"




    Yeah, people who say shit like this have never been in a room with a truly high-end sound system. No one pays that kind of money for appearances. In fact, it's one of the few expensive things in life where looks means nothing.

    Says the guy that bought a $10K refrigerator. icon_lol.gif


    Who bought a $10k refrig?

    Radd. I think earlier this year, he posted a thread contemplating whether or not he should by some restaurant grade fridge that was like $10K.
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    Oct 13, 2015 5:47 AM GMT
    http://www.noiseaddicts.com/2009/04/plasma-speakers/

    i prefer the non-physical
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    Oct 13, 2015 5:49 AM GMT
    xrichx said
    freedomisntfree said
    xrichx said
    Radd said
    freedomisntfree said
    Radd said
    xrichx saidA majority of people can't tell the difference between music played through a tin can or through a $50K audiophile system. Let's be real. People buy these things for the aesthetics. They're beautifully designed and crafted. If I had the money, I'd certainly get a system and showcase it in a special room. It's like art.



    That's bullshit. icon_rolleyes.gif


    But when they're expose to it some are really shocked and some remain clueless.

    My speakers, which are electrostatics, are positioned 38% out into the room and I listen nearfield most of the time. It's sorta like a 3D projection TV in that you hear nothing coming out of the projection unit (the speakers) and everything is projected back there just as the original performance complete with the original soundstage positioning, width and depth and in a very convincing way on many recordings.

    Folks generally tell me that hear for the first time: "where's the sound coming from" I answer: "everywhere". "But but but, out of what" And I say "go put your ear up to the speaker" Then its: "but sitting over there it sounds like its real, and coming from everywhere, but the speakers".
    "Well, that's the point"




    Yeah, people who say shit like this have never been in a room with a truly high-end sound system. No one pays that kind of money for appearances. In fact, it's one of the few expensive things in life where looks means nothing.

    Says the guy that bought a $10K refrigerator. icon_lol.gif


    Who bought a $10k refrig?

    Radd. I think earlier this year, he posted a thread contemplating whether or not he should by some restaurant grade fridge that was like $10K.


    If that's what he's into then hell yeah he should buy it.
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    Oct 13, 2015 6:03 AM GMT
    Apparition saidhttp://www.noiseaddicts.com/2009/04/plasma-speakers/

    i prefer the non-physical


    Many of these theories have been around almost since the invention of the electric light. Even electrostats were patented around 1920, but it was mid 50s before we really had anything that worked (with big limitations) with teh Janszens in the early 50s and the Quad EL-57 in (you guessed it) 1957 then followed by the KLH 9s. I've owned both the early Quads and the KLH 9s, but never the Janszens. Then I went Dayton Wright XG-2s and Maggie 1-Us to 1-Ds.

    What is surprising is how good tradition cone type speakers have become. Take a look at the $150,000 Magico M-Pros ... cones. http://www.audiobymarkjones.ca/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/10689529_774312065949251_4503827372151980076_n.jpg

    Great thing today is that you can put together a really killer little system including a turntable for around a $1,000 if you know what you're doing and IF setup correctly, can enjoy the shit out of music.
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    Oct 13, 2015 6:19 AM GMT
    If you're really on a budget I'd get a set of Pioneer FS-52s. They go on sale regularly for $189 a pair and they're absolutely terrific for a cheap speaker. If fact they're playing some Keith Jarrett right now in my budget system. I liked these so well I bought another set for the master bedroom. Positioning is as important as it for anything else and they have a rather long break-in time of at least 100 hours.

    However, the designer, Andrew Jones, left Pioneer when Oynko bought Pioneer's audio division and is now heading up the design work for a German company named Elac. And guess what:

    http://elac.us/debutproducts/

    A little more expensive, but from what I've heard and read from the Newport Audio Show, they're fantastic. There's a slightly bigger floor stander named the F6 coming in November and I'm going to put a set in my budget system.
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    freedomisntfree saidIf you're really on a budget I'd get a set of Pioneer FS-52s. They go on sale regularly for $189 a pair and they're absolutely terrific for a cheap speaker. If fact they're playing some Keith Jarrett right now in my budget system. I liked these so well I bought another set for the master bedroom. Positioning is as important as it for anything else and they have a rather long break-in time of at least 100 hours. High end take even longer to break in. These sound especially good at low levels and are on most of the day here. This house is so quiet that I need something on or my ears will ring.

    https://youtu.be/guADln_vIJM

    However, the designer, Andrew Jones, left Pioneer when Oynko bought Pioneer's audio division and is now heading up the design work for a German company named Elac. And guess what:

    http://elac.us/debutproducts/

    A little more expensive, but from what I've heard and read from the Newport Audio Show, they're fantastic. There's a slightly bigger floor stander named the F6 coming in November and I'm going to put a set in my budget system.
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    Oct 14, 2015 3:55 AM GMT
    Not knocking anything or anyone at all, but this interesting thread is a quintessential "first world problem" thread!!! grin!
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    Sulla saidNot knocking anything or anyone at all, but this interesting thread is a quintessential "first world problem" thread!!! grin!


    That's for sure!
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    Sadly 90% of the music I hear is on this. At work.
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    Apparition saidil_570xN.409115845_heig.jpg

    Sadly 90% of the music I hear is on this. At work.


    Between 6:00 and 7:00 90% of the music I listen to is also on one of those, interrupted by periodic applications of the snooze button.