What's the best cardio for bad joints?

  • insaneplight

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    Oct 12, 2015 8:43 PM GMT
    I need some variety. I am a big guy. I am down to 350 lbs from 390 in the last year, but the progress is painfully slow.

    My knees are in bad shape from carrying around my bulk for so long. I do a lot of walking. I have a fitness tracker, and I usually meet my goal of 25,000 steps a day. Even on a terrible day I'm usually near 20,000.

    I purchased a super HD, suoer expensive $1800 treadmill that was rated for my weight, and suppose to have flex to it to ease the pain in my knees, but if I use it at anything faster than a walk, my knees are swollen the next day.

    I know that swimming is the most effective cardio that is also easy on the joints, but when I go to the gym to use the pool, some asshole always has to make a comment, or stare, or outright tease me about it. Nothing kills my motivation more than that. I know I should channel the negativity to motivate myself harder, but I'm just not wired that way. Even still I use the gym pool when I'm feeling up for some mental punishment.

    So what I'm asking is, is there another form of cardio that will show better results for me than walking, and be easier on the joints than jogging, and not have the shame of swimming? I'm losing my drive here, and could use some suggestions and support.

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    Oct 12, 2015 9:23 PM GMT
    OP -- I admire you for your initiative in getting fit. I'm wondering if there's another swimming facility around that might have a more supportive clientele. You shouldn't have to forego a useful means of exercise because of stupid remarks from immature jerks.

    Keep it up and good luck!
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    Oct 12, 2015 9:51 PM GMT
    ^ No kidding, eh! I wouldn't let some jerks embarrass me out the pool! I was pretty intimidated going to the pool when I learned to swim, and not just because of the water. Sounds like a water-based exercise regime would be easiest on your joints so I'd go for that. If you look for an aerobics class geared to your fitness level you'd probably feel less intimidated since there will likely be other overweight guys in the class. They have programs like that at the community pool where I swim.
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    Oct 12, 2015 9:56 PM GMT
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    Swimming is your best bet--not just for cardio but just for motion and resistance--and there's no reason for you to feel chased from the pool (chase, see what I did there, I'm just kiddin' and it was a Freudian slip anyway) . People will stare at anything that they don't see often. So the more often, the less they'll stare or the less you'll care.

    To someone saying something, man, people can be such dicks. But don't let that stop you either. I'd probably confront that either directly or if the person is in a group, maybe ask someone in that group who looks embarrassed by the behavior how they feel about their friend acting like such as ass (be nice about it though: be honest). Or ask someone nearby who witnessed and get them to voice their opinion so that the offender knows what people think of his mocking.

    A few months back I suggested to a very large neighbor that he should swim and first thing I warned him is that people will stare at him in a bathing suit. I have no doubt about that. I've rarely seen anyone as big as this guy. But he needs to lose weight for an operation. He was worried about getting out of the pool but I assured him they have facilities for that. People stare at that too, mostly because it's unusual. Last time everyone was staring, I yelled over towards the large lady being lifted out of the pool that I want the next ride. Looked like fun to me.

    So anyway I brought him back some water aerobics info but I don't think he ever took advantage of that or at least I've never seen him at the pool. Don't do that to yourself. You have every right to swim there without being degraded.

    If I can survive some of these douchebags on RJ, you can survive a swimming pool where there's bound to be far fewer piranha.

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    Oct 13, 2015 12:01 AM GMT
    Painful or swollen knees after exercise? Try taking some anti-inflamatory (like ibuprofen/advil) before doing your routine.

    If you go to a gym, try an exercyle - might (might not) be less stressful than a treadmill. You won't know until you try.
  • insaneplight

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    Oct 13, 2015 12:06 AM GMT
    I appreciate the advice. I'll try a rowing machine and see how it feels. If I like it I'll buy one.

    As for the pool, there are jerks everywhere, and their opinion shouldn't bother me, but on the same note we all want to feel sexy. After putting in a years worth of effort, they can instantly smash any good feelings I might have about the success I've seen, and I find that does more harm to my motivation than I would like to admit to.

    I'm not sure about classes or maybe a private pool. Unfortunately there aren't a lot of private pools in Utah, but worth looking into.

    Also, I swear I posted this to the cardio sectiin. I'm not sure how it ended up here, but my apologies for the thread being in the wrong section.
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    Oct 13, 2015 12:11 AM GMT
    Treadmills are awful for running. They're great for speedwalking or walking at an incline.

    I agree with the swimming recommendation. It's a great cardio workout. Very easy on the joints.
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    Oct 13, 2015 1:42 AM GMT
    Very few private pools have the length for laps. 15 x 30 is a typical backyard kidney shaped plunge pool. I don't even consider them swimming pools for anyone but little kids and the family dog. You might find someone with a 40 x 20. Even 40 might help you early on but after you swim for a while it will be too many turns and not enough strokes between. You need 75 ft which is probably what your gym is. I even notice the difference between 25 yards and 25 meters whenever they change the lanes for a longer swim.

    Check out your town or ones nearby and see if they have a rec agreement with any local high school pool for public use after school hours.

    Otherwise, you need to find a way to stand your ground at the gym. That might even mean complaining to management. I'm pretty sure they're supposed to provide a non threatening space for your money. But first I'd try to handle it one on one or as I described above.

    If you base how you feel about yourself according to what others say, never mind the gym, you won't even survive the RJ piranhas. This is not exactly a support group.

    Good luck

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  • ChicagoSteve

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    Oct 13, 2015 3:17 AM GMT
    duluthrunner saidOP -- I admire you for your initiative in getting fit. I'm wondering if there's another swimming facility around that might have a more supportive clientele. You shouldn't have to forego a useful means of exercise because of stupid remarks from immature jerks.

    Keep it up and good luck!
    I agree, keep swimming, I think it is your best bet. The jerks can basically go to hell. There are no shortage of jerks out there, but you should not let that stop you from using the pool. One time, I went to the pool at my gym, I asked a woman if she would mind sharing a lane, because the pool was full. She looked at me and said, "well, ok, as long as there is not a lot of splashing"! Go do your thing, and to hell with the jerks.
    By the way, after the woman's comment to me,I made sure I churned up some extra water!
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    Oct 13, 2015 3:23 AM GMT
    Swimming is the best. Get a kick board and do it. Kick hard and then harder!!
    It will help you a lot and strengthen your joints, tendons and muscles!!

    Good luck!

    P.S.
    Back in the day I was a swim instructor. I taught a well known heart surgeon from India how to swim. He was deathly afraid of the water and many people laughed at him when he got near the pool. He had the look of anguish and terror on his face.
    He learn how and was so thankful because he said to me swimming is what will ultimately help him keep his own heart in shape for life.
    He's one of my all time stories of true inspiration for determination to succeed and NOT GIVE UP!!!

    YOU CAN DO IT TOO!!!

    He gave me the ultimate hug!
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    Oct 13, 2015 5:11 AM GMT
    insaneplight saidI need some variety. I am a big guy. I am down to 350 lbs from 390 in the last year, but the progress is painfully slow.

    My knees are in bad shape from carrying around my bulk for so long. I do a lot of walking. I have a fitness tracker, and I usually meet my goal of 25,000 steps a day. Even on a terrible day I'm usually near 20,000.

    I purchased a super HD, suoer expensive $1800 treadmill that was rated for my weight, and suppose to have flex to it to ease the pain in my knees, but if I use it at anything faster than a walk, my knees are swollen the next day.

    I know that swimming is the most effective cardio that is also easy on the joints, but when I go to the gym to use the pool, some asshole always has to make a comment, or stare, or outright tease me about it. Nothing kills my motivation more than that. I know I should channel the negativity to motivate myself harder, but I'm just not wired that way. Even still I use the gym pool when I'm feeling up for some mental punishment.

    So what I'm asking is, is there another form of cardio that will show better results for me than walking, and be easier on the joints than jogging, and not have the shame of swimming? I'm losing my drive here, and could use some suggestions and support.




    Go on the Paleo diet now and be 50 lbs lighter by Xmas without Cardio. You will never lose bad fat running and as you have discovered joints have set physical limitations. I thought until I was 50 that fittest was primary a function of exercise when I switched to Paleo diet I discovered I was totally wrong.
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    Oct 13, 2015 8:23 AM GMT
    Do a search for Larry Evans in st. Louis for inspiration.

    My immediate thought also is the pool....remember that you are out doing something.
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    Oct 13, 2015 11:54 AM GMT
    For bad joints, water is the answer, unless you can find an alternate way to change the gravity....which IS POSSIBLE, using an "auto-belay" type system for an indoor wall climbing facility...still, this is mot easy to do.
    I would also consider using not using your legs in this stage, and use your arms. There are seated pedaling for your ARMS alone. Also, there are bariatric/geriatric exercise machines...essentially a seated elliptical, or a machine called a nu-step, these allow you to be seated and supported, reduce the weight on the joints and let you use the legs and/or the arms as proportional as you are comfortable.
    As for the pool, don't let stupid, rude people steal your motivation.....try a different time of day or go to a hospital ....Most have a full gym and pool for physical therapy and specialist to monitor your heart, and to suggest modifications...This is your health and your life, don't surrender because someone is laughing and unsupportive. Educate yourself and look for alternative settings or times...Good luck...I know you can do this...I did it....I went from 450 lbs to 235.....and from almost immobile to running a marathon....It is real possible.
  • metta

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    Oct 13, 2015 5:51 PM GMT
    Stay away from anything that results in pounding your joints. The treadmill is probably not a good idea. An elyptical machine may be better because your not pounding. And as other people have said, swimming.

    I used to do too many step classes and found that one of my knees was sensitive so I'm pretty careful with doing things that pound on my joints.

    I have found that Synthovial Seven (hyaluronic acid - HA) helps get rid of it being sensitive for me. I rarely take it now because I don't find I need it. But I still try and stay away from things that pound on my joints. Knowing several older people going through knee replacement surgery, I would rather avoid that as I get older.
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    Oct 13, 2015 6:11 PM GMT
    A good bong has always been my fall back to experiencing bad joints. That said, I have trained LingLang on how to roll tight and perfect joints. Maybe you should get yourself a LingLang who gets great pleasure out of proper joint rolling.
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    Oct 13, 2015 6:19 PM GMT
    try yoga, I get a really good sweat from that. And the people who do yoga are usually very understanding. The great thing about yoga is that not only are the instructors very nice but so are the other people who practice it. Because yoga is much more then just a workout it's also about spiritual acceptance so people are always very kind and understanding.
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    Oct 13, 2015 7:20 PM GMT
    First of all good on you for sticking with it even though people are horrible.

    I wonder if it's possible that a doctor would give you a prescription to use the pool in a PT clinic (and maybe a PT who could counsel you on what would best help you meet your goal? I would think people there would be far less concerned about others' appearances and focused on getting better, which is what we should all be thinking about, and it seems like losing more weight is important to your overall health, so it's worth a shot.

    Where my mom lives there is a workout facility with PTs and OTs on site which is affiliated with the hospital. Another possibility is a college or university with kineseology department where students might need to do counseling hours with clients as part of their training. It may be worth finding out if either of these exist.
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    Oct 13, 2015 7:23 PM GMT
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    I was trying to figure out if we had some kind of falling out that you kept showing up as hidden/deleted, since we've talked plenty of times recently without any drama. I still don't understand how/why that happens.
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    Oct 13, 2015 8:15 PM GMT
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    I was trying to figure out if we had some kind of falling out that you kept showing up as hidden/deleted, since we've talked plenty of times recently without any drama. I still don't understand how/why that happens.


    Hey Shifts, no way, no: we're good. I like a lot of what I've read from you. I just do this stupid hidden thang (a profile option) to reduce the badgering stalkers whatever be their reason. It was getting out of hand. But this seems to have slowed them down. It makes'm work for it.

    I use ignore liberally but that's not enough so this seems to help. And then I thought to add that little letterhead image of a normal posting ID so as to not come off as too creepy, just a little creepy haha. I'll prob just use it on an initial post to a thread. You can always hit quote and that will show the poster. My apologies if I caused a misunderstanding.

    Funny I just saw this cause I was gonna post now that I'm just back from my swims and sitting here with my banana protein shake. I was going to mention, so I will, how helpful people normally are at a pool. So I'm wondering if the OP's issue is even with another swimmer or just some jerks in the locker or on the way to the pool.

    I'd think that most of us swimming learned very young and we all had safety or life saving lessons and we swam with the buddy system as kids so being concerned for the other swimmer is usually the atmosphere, not degrading another person for sport.

    And just before I was collaborating with a lifeguard while critiquing another swimmer who wasn't getting his legs up to surface enough. The guy had good upper body strength but he was swimming at like a 30 degree angle, legs down in the water, creating all that drag. So I confirmed my theory with the lifeguard who agreed and then I shared that with the swimmer who was real appreciative.

    Turns out he's a runner who fucked up his knees and has only been swimming for four weeks now for his cardio. He learned the crawl on youtube. Didn't know he'd like it but now finds it real fun. So I pointed out the master's instructor for him for later. His breathing was mostly good, especially for a new swimmer, but we tweaked that to the better, and his stroke could be improved but good enough for now, and after I gave him some pointers on his body position relative to the surface, that improved by like 80% right away. He could feel the difference and he thanked me.

    So that's really the norm around a pool. Not people dissing each other. Which is more the norm for this forum.

    Shifty's idea of college pools is a good idea. I had mentioned checking out high schools for public swims. For universities, if the OP has one local, sometimes even if you don't or haven't attended they may have a friends of the alumni category which might give locals access to recreation facilities. Way less chance of idiots trying to humiliate others there so that's a real good suggestion by Shifty.
  • Webster666

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    Oct 14, 2015 12:09 AM GMT
    1) Change your diet.
    A) Don't eat junk, in place of a meal.
    B) Don't eat anything from a vending machine.
    C) Don't eat at any fast food chains (McDonalds, etc.)
    D) Don't eat cookies, doughnuts, brownies, etc.
    E) Cut out all sodas
    F) Don't eat huge meals or go back for second helpings. It's much better to eat 6 small meals (throughout the day) than to eat 3 full meals.
    G) Eat to satisfy your body's feeling of hunger, not to fill your stomach.

    2) Working out with weights takes the place of cardio exercises because your body continuously reacts to what you've done to it during your workout, even between workouts.

    3) Don't weigh yourself.
    Muscle weighs more than fat, so it can seem as if you're not making any progress, at all, even though you are.

    4) If you still insist on doing something cardio, walk.
    Get into the habit of walking fast, whether you're doing it for exercise, or just walking from the car into the store. Don't do cardio at all if you're in pain.
  • insaneplight

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    Oct 14, 2015 1:56 AM GMT
    That's a lot of good suggestions, and I do appreciate the input.

    I found someone who has a private pool. I know it's not big enough for serious swimming, but until I find something bigger, it's a start.

    I'm also checking into some of the other equipment mentioned.
  • mstone18

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    Oct 14, 2015 3:05 AM GMT
    Simplify what you have to remember.

    Cook (or prepare) your meals, if you have a set of "go to" defaults, you will have better calorie control.

    Drinking water is important. Your made of water, not soda or caffiene.

    Sleep is very important, more sleep helps your memory, you'll handle stress.. better.

    Exercise and the feeling to workout come naturally as a result of the above.
  • insaneplight

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    Oct 14, 2015 6:58 PM GMT
    Also, my current job has me woking in salt lake city and Park City, Ut. If anyone knows a good personal trainer in those areas, I'm in the market.