NY Man Dies After Being Beaten at Church to Confess 'Sins'

  • metta

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    Oct 15, 2015 2:26 AM GMT
    NY Man Dies After Being Beaten at Church to Confess 'Sins'


    http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/ny-teen-dies-after-being-beaten-church-recant-sins-n444756
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    Oct 15, 2015 2:40 AM GMT

    RIP



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    Oct 15, 2015 12:53 PM GMT
    Killed by his own parents nonetheless. What a shame.
  • ASHDOD

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    Oct 15, 2015 3:31 PM GMT
    ''churche of life''
  • tj85016

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    Oct 15, 2015 4:44 PM GMT
    lol I just saw this on CNN

    they look like some real upstanding citizens who are not at all crazy
  • interestingch...

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    Oct 15, 2015 5:04 PM GMT
    A prime example of religious extremism, what kind of people do things like this, and they think they are christians, what a load of crap. They couldn't be any less christian. And that goes for any religion being extreme, you can't force people into a way of thinking, I went to a church of England christian school and one of the teachers there was the daughter of a minister and the most viscous woman I have known, none of the parents, teachers or kids liked her and she shouldn't have been allowed to teach kids let alone anyone else, but it was the seventies/eighties and things were different back then. Luckily things have changed as regard teaching practices in the UK, don't know about the US though.
    I do not practice christianity probably as a result of her, but I am a much more rounded person for it I think. Can't believe the old witch is still alive and driving around too, she has got to be around 95 and still a spinster.
    Not too bitter then, ha
    Luckily my parents were cool.
    There is a Bishop in the UK who has just been had for sexual assault dating back years, young priests and young boys, been in the paper today, some of the worst people are involved with the church, when is all this shit going to be dealt with and not covered up, the people who cover this stuff up are just as guilty as the ones who commit these crimes.
    If I ever had kids then they wouldn't go to a church school or a boarding school either, not a chance in hell. It is a breeding ground for these perverts.
    I have nothing against people having beliefs or going to church for whatever religion they are but its just not my thing, just saying that so as not to offend 3/4 of the population.
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    Oct 15, 2015 7:37 PM GMT
    tj85016 saidlol I just saw this on CNN

    they look like some real upstanding citizens who are not at all crazy


    Appearances are far too often deceiving.
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    Oct 15, 2015 10:22 PM GMT
    interestingchap said[...] what kind of people do things like this, and they think they are christians, what a load of crap. They couldn't be any less christian.


    No True Scotsman--there's currently no way to identify what exactly a "true Christian" is, and what's to say that a "real Christian" is somehow the exemplar of society? A true Christian might be someone who owns slaves and beats them, has multiple wives, and stones unruly children for all we will ever know. That "Christian" has somehow become a synonym for "good" is ridiculous--and if I didn't have thick skin, I'd even wonder if it were an insult towards non-Christians, or non-religious individuals in general.

    If I ever had kids then they wouldn't go to a church school or a boarding school either, not a chance in hell. It is a breeding ground for these perverts.


    But why is it a breeding ground for "perversion"? Once we answer that question--once we can identify what about this religious culture is creating these kinds of socially-abhorrent acts, or extremism, then we'll be on the right path to reforming religious culture to the point where it falls in line with 21st Century morality and societal values.

    I offer that maybe a culture which suppresses sexual freedom, and freedom of sexuality, is what creates people who become so desperate to perform sexual acts, that they take advantage of their socially empowered position in their church, and use it to take advantage of those who don't possess the ability to defend themselves, because they've been raised (dare I say, indoctrinated) to pay deference to these 'higher ups' of the church.

    I have nothing against people having beliefs or going to church for whatever religion they are but its just not my thing, just saying that so as not to offend 3/4 of the population.


    Understand where you're coming from here--and atheists are less likely to burn your house down--but frankly, offense is taken, not given. People can be offended by anything, therefore it's absolutely impossible to never cause offense to somebody, and thus there's no point in trying.

    Be fair, objective, honest, admit when you're wrong, be willing to apologize, be skeptical, be informed, be rational, be logical, be a critical-thinker, and then if you ever do offend someone by accident, you can show them how you meant no offense, and that it is entirely up to them to determine whether their supposed 'offense' is really worth possessing.

    ...I didn't actually visit this topic with the intention of making a post like this, but, there we go. Nothing personal to you or anything, InterestingChap, just wanted to use your remarks as a sort of platform to offer my own, subjective opinion.
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    Oct 15, 2015 11:21 PM GMT
    tj85016 saidlol I just saw this on CNN

    they look like some real upstanding citizens who are not at all crazy


    Writing 'LOL' regarding the death of one and severe beating of the other brother is something to laugh about,
    where is your humanity, do you not care about what has happened to these innocent young guys, nothing that they could have done could warrant this kind of beating which resulted in the death of one of them. You are not a good person if you think that, this is the kind of attitude I would expect from an uneducated thug and you are almost as bad as the perpetrators.
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    Oct 15, 2015 11:31 PM GMT
    interestingchap said
    tj85016 saidlol I just saw this on CNN

    they look like some real upstanding citizens who are not at all crazy


    [...] You are not a good person if you think that, this is the kind of attitude I would expect from an uneducated thug and you are almost as bad as the perpetrators.


    Okay. Typing the letter "l", then "o" and then finishing with "l" is no where near in the same bracket as beating up two youths and murdering one of them. That's hyperbole at its most ridiculous.
  • interestingch...

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    Oct 15, 2015 11:40 PM GMT
    Kodiak said
    interestingchap said
    tj85016 saidlol I just saw this on CNN

    they look like some real upstanding citizens who are not at all crazy


    [...] You are not a good person if you think that, this is the kind of attitude I would expect from an uneducated thug and you are almost as bad as the perpetrators.


    Okay. Typing the letter "l", then "o" and then finishing with "l" is no where near in the same bracket as beating up two youths and murdering one of them. That's hyperbole at its most ridiculous.


    LOL means laugh out loud in its shortened version, I presume everyone got that.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Oct 16, 2015 11:28 AM GMT
    tmac saidKilled by his own parents nonetheless. What a shame.
    Those parents are sick in the mind and should be stripped of their freedom and forced to spend the rest of their ignorant, miserable lives either in a psychiatric ward or in solitary confinement in prison. This is what religious extremism breeds in the long run. It's disgusting and it is wrongicon_mad.gif
  • tj85016

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    Oct 16, 2015 2:44 PM GMT
    interestingchap said
    tj85016 saidlol I just saw this on CNN

    they look like some real upstanding citizens who are not at all crazy


    Writing 'LOL' regarding the death of one and severe beating of the other brother is something to laugh about,
    where is your humanity, do you not care about what has happened to these innocent young guys, nothing that they could have done could warrant this kind of beating which resulted in the death of one of them. You are not a good person if you think that, this is the kind of attitude I would expect from an uneducated thug and you are almost as bad as the perpetrators.


    no, this is not humanity, this is a bunch of idiots
  • jeepguySD

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    Oct 16, 2015 2:48 PM GMT
    This is tragic, but it is nothing other than sadism perpetrated in the name of Christ's mercy. Sadly it not as uncommon as one would want to believe. In this case it was physical sadism, but more often the abuse takes the form of psychological and emotional sadism, justified by religious dogma.

    I will never understand this kind of zealotry.
  • jeepguySD

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    Oct 16, 2015 11:50 PM GMT
    After thinking about this a little more, I wonder if the parents have any remorse at all over this issue, or do they feel justified in beating their son to death? I noted in the article that they pleaded not guilty, which suggests that they are attempting to avoid responsibility for their horrific actions.
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    Oct 17, 2015 12:04 AM GMT
    Well, the US Supreme Court has ruled that "deeply held religious beliefs" supersede all other laws, including the US Constitution. So I guess the ones who did this will ultimately be found not guilty of any crime.
  • jeepguySD

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    Oct 17, 2015 4:14 AM GMT
    Art_Deco saidWell, the US Supreme Court has ruled that "deeply held religious beliefs" supersede all other laws, including the US Constitution. So I guess the ones who did this will ultimately be found not guilty of any crime.


    Quite possible, and very sad if that's the outcome. Reason should always prevail over ignorance and superstition, but all too often it does not.