Gay guys aren't serious about STDs

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    Oct 20, 2015 5:11 PM GMT
    So I've been talking to this guy online about nude wrestling. We started talking about gay men and their claims about having safe sex. He claimed to agree and blah blah. He only jerks off with dudes because of the risk. He then tells me that he believes their is a conspiracy and that cures exist for many STDs. He tells me about a story where a reporter asked princess Diana if the Royal elite worried about STDs at their orgies and a companion of hers said STDs are not a problem. He stated this was proof that they were inoculated. I explained to him that I believed all people were willing to have sex with someone who had an STD if they felt the person or the sex was worth the risk. How hot I'd the guy? How big is his dick? Is he wealthy and generous? Does he have connections? Do I love him? I then brought up the fact that he claimed to be serious about STDs but regularly engaged in nude wrestling with a population that has higher rates of STDs than most other populations. This puts him at risk for herpes gladitorum. He told me good luck, basically ending the conversation. Over the years I spoken to many gay men who swear they don't have any STD and don't want one but have no problem swallowing semen, sucking dick without a condom or rimming a dude without a barrier. A guy once told me he'd never get tested for herpes because then he'd have to disclose. When I ask if he would rather catch and unknowingly spread herpes than get tested he said he'd rather unknowingly spread it. I have nothing against people with or without STDs or safe or unsafe sex. What bothers me is the delusion so many men engage in.
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    Oct 20, 2015 5:24 PM GMT
    [quote][cite]When I ask if he would rather catch and unknowingly spread herpes than get tested he said he'd rather unknowingly spread it.[/quote][/cite]

    This is what's wrong with the gay community.

    Btw, I can't imagine someone giving a BJ with a condom. Is that a normal thing? icon_neutral.gif
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    Oct 20, 2015 5:28 PM GMT
    JacksWastedLife said[quote][cite]When I ask if he would rather catch and unknowingly spread herpes than get tested he said he'd rather unknowingly spread it.


    This is what's wrong with the gay community.

    Btw, I can't imagine someone giving a BJ with a condom. Is that a normal thing? icon_neutral.gif[/quote]

    I think its normal but to then swear you practice safe sex and don't have an STD would be a stretch.

    I was surprised he was honest with his answer. Most people would lie. I actually got my first full panel because I loved my ex and wanted to make sure if I had anything that we would deal with it rather than me giving him something out of ignorance.
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    Oct 20, 2015 5:29 PM GMT
    I would feel horrible in spreading disease. It baffles my mind that guys could be like that, but of course, I always assume that they could be a risk, even if they claim to be clean.

    There are cures for things that the mainstream would rather we not know about. Herpes, in particular, has been eradicated from the body by a protocol by an Australian doctor, I think consisting of 3 months of his regimen, which has as a key component, a mineral supplement.

    I believe there are things kept from the masses that the elite have at their disposal, and there are plenty of things that could be cited as legitimizing the notion of "conspiracy" among the banking class who would rather not let some info out to bless humanity. (Who Killed The Electric Car, for example, is a film that would expose this fact. It premiered at Sundance in 2006, and I saw it then. Al Gore speaks of changing your light bulb and submitting to a UN Global carbon tax, but he fails to mention that he and his elite handlers destroy much better means of transportation to keep us enslaved to fossile fuels and the more than 100 years old technology that is the internal combustion engine).

    Wouldn't it be great if STD's weren't an issue? I'd get pretty damn wild, if that were the case, on occasion.

    I'm intrigued with this documentary, and need to revisit it, claiming much of AIDS or HIV to be not what we are told:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwgmzbnckII





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    Oct 20, 2015 5:36 PM GMT
    6packabs saidI would feel horrible in spreading disease. It baffles my mind that guys could be like that, but of course, I always assume that they could be a risk, even if they claim to be clean.

    There are cures for things that the mainstream would rather we not know about. Herpes, in particular, has been eradicated from the body by a protocol by an Australian doctor, I think consisting of 3 months of his regimen, which has as a key component, a mineral supplement.

    I believe there are things kept from the masses that the elite have at their disposal, and there are plenty of things that could be cited as legitimizing the notion of "conspiracy" among the banking class who would rather not let some info out to bless humanity. (Who Killed The Electric Car, for example, is a film that would expose this fact. It premiered at Sundance in 2006, and I saw it then. Al Gore speaks of changing your light bulb and submitting to a UN Global carbon tax, but he fails to mention that he and his elite handlers destroy much better means of transportation to keep us enslaved to fossile fuels and the more than 100 years old technology that is the internal combustion engine).

    Wouldn't it be great if STD's weren't an issue? I'd get pretty damn wild, if that were the case, on occasion.

    I'm intrigued with this documentary, and need to revisit it, claiming much of AIDS or HIV to be not what we are told:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwgmzbnckII







    With the number of health care professionals who hate the health care industry a cure for herpes would not stay hidden long. I'm suspicious of natural cures because their lack of regulation make them ripe for scams. The electric car disproves the idea of conspiracies being as powerful as people think. We now have electric cars. Where their is a market and the ability to compete conspiracies can not thrive.
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    Oct 20, 2015 5:54 PM GMT
    Where did you meet this guy? Is it a dating or hookup site or?
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    Oct 20, 2015 5:56 PM GMT
    JackBoneTX saidWhere did you meet this guy? Is it a dating or hookup site or?


    Why does that matter?
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    JackBoneTX saidWhere did you meet this guy? Is it a dating or hookup site or?


    Why does that matter?


    Because your title is a sweeping generalization which includes me (a gay guy).

    Anyway, I think that behavior is magnified in that sector. Guys want to have lots of sex in general and they don't want to address impediments to that. Those that are on sex-specific sites often don't care about anything beyond the immediate possibility of sex, including *your* health.

    I think a lot of straight guys (and sure, some women too) aren't any different, but for gay guys we have twice the problem, and it's further magnified by the small size of the community.

    The guy you mentioned that says he mostly only jerks off with guys because of this... you could have been talking about me when I wasn't in a relationship. When I came out on the early 90s, the AIDS scare was still at a fever pitch and it definitely changed my behavior. I just wasn't willing to risk it
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    MrFuscle said
    JackBoneTX saidWhere did you meet this guy? Is it a dating or hookup site or?


    Why does that matter?


    Because your title is a sweeping generalization which includes me (a gay guy).

    Anyway, I think that behavior is magnified in that sector. Guys want to have lots of sex in general and they don't want to address impediments to that. Those that are on sex-specific sites often don't care about anything beyond the immediate possibility of sex, including *your* health.

    I think a lot of straight guys (and sure, some women too) aren't any different, but for gay guys we have twice the problem, and it's further magnified by the small size of the community.

    The guy you mentioned that says he mostly only jerks off with guys because of this... you could have been talking about me when I wasn't in a relationship. When I came out on the early 90s, the AIDS scare was still at a fever pitch and it definitely changed my behavior. I just wasn't willing to risk it


    Except he ended the conversation when I told him his nude wrestling put him at risk for herpes. My point is that so many gay men claim to be very anti std and yet engage in risky behavior. Even the ones who only jack off don't ask their partners to get full panels when they finally decide to have sex. How sad would it be to sit there jerking off for years just to get genital herpes because the first guy you trusted was unaware he was an asymptomatic carrier.
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    Oct 20, 2015 6:50 PM GMT
    It's basic human nature for people to want to maximize pleasure and minimize pain.
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    Oct 20, 2015 6:51 PM GMT
    tmac saidIt's basic human nature for people to want to maximize pleasure and minimize pain.


    I don't think you understand the thread. Are you really minimizing pain by engaging in risky behavior while telling yourself you aren't.
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    Oct 20, 2015 7:06 PM GMT
    MrFuscle saidA guy once told me he'd never get tested for herpes because then he'd have to disclose. When I ask if he would rather catch and unknowingly spread herpes than get tested he said he'd rather unknowingly spread it.


    Here's what you can tell anyone when you get into this type of conversation: in a matter of a guy verses an untreated STD, almost always the STD will win.

    Example: one of the patients I cared for had untreated herpes. It got so bad that it spread to his spine and traveled to his brain, causing swelling and he required ventilator support. We tried to save this guy's life but it was too late. The swelling had taken over and he died 3 days later.
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    Oct 20, 2015 7:16 PM GMT
    I caught scabies from someone after skin to skin contact once, it was a nightmare. I was considerate enough not to be sexually active for months with the condition but even after telling guys "I can't" they were willing to risk it because they're just that desperate.
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    Oct 20, 2015 7:23 PM GMT
    I never heard of Herpes Gladiatorum before!

    It is Common Among Wrestlers

    Jan. 10, 2000 (Atlanta) -- Herpes simplex virus type 1 (HSV-1) acquired during wrestling is one of the most common infections caused by personal contact during athletic activity, according to a report in the December issue of The Pediatric Infectious Disease Journal. Physicians say the condition, called herpes gladiatorum, causes skin lesions on the head, neck, and shoulders that are often misdiagnosed.

    http://www.webmd.com/skin-problems-and-treatments/news/20000110/herpes-gladiatorum-is-common-among-wrestlers

    So why make it a gay issue?
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    Oct 20, 2015 7:57 PM GMT
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    MrFuscle saidA guy once told me he'd never get tested for herpes because then he'd have to disclose. When I ask if he would rather catch and unknowingly spread herpes than get tested he said he'd rather unknowingly spread it.


    Here's what you can tell anyone when you get into this type of conversation: in a matter of a guy verses an untreated STD, almost always the STD will win.

    Example: one of the patients I cared for had untreated herpes. It got so bad that it spread to his spine and traveled to his brain, causing swelling and he required ventilator support. We tried to save this guy's life but it was too late. The swelling had taken over and he died 3 days later.


    Thank you for your advice but I respectfully decline. My goal is rarely to change anyone's opinions or actions. I simply want people to be honest about the consequences of their actions. If they are comfortable with the risk fine.
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    Oct 20, 2015 8:15 PM GMT
    BP201 saidI caught scabies from someone after skin to skin contact once, it was a nightmare. I was considerate enough not to be sexually active for months with the condition but even after telling guys "I can't" they were willing to risk it because they're just that desperate.


    Yes this is something I was trying to point out to him. If someone has something the other person wants they become worth the risk
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    BP201 saidI caught scabies from someone after skin to skin contact once, it was a nightmare. I was considerate enough not to be sexually active for months with the condition but even after telling guys "I can't" they were willing to risk it because they're just that desperate.


    +1

    Back in the day guys I would chat up on grindr would say they only do safe sex, however when we met and it was time for him to put on the condom he would be like, "Do you want to try without it?" I was curious as what made him change his mind, he was very adamant about protective sex, but it never occurred to me that men would risk it just for an attractive guy.
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    Oct 20, 2015 8:35 PM GMT
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    Erik101 said

    Example: one of the patients I cared for had untreated herpes. It got so bad that it spread to his spine and traveled to his brain, causing swelling and he required ventilator support. We tried to save this guy's life but it was too late. The swelling had taken over and he died 3 days later.


    What other medical conditions did this person have? Did he have untreated HIV that lead to AIDS or did he have something else that was tearing his body down?

    Healthy people just don't die of herpes.

    This contribution you provided is a bit incomplete and will more than likely cause unnecessary panic here to paranoid members of the site.


    This occurred more than 6 years ago so I don't remember his past medical history but from what I can recall, he didn't have HIV or AIDS. What I do remember is this guy must've known he had the STD because he had multiple lesions on his dick and balls.

    And I'm not attempting to cause a panic. My contribution is to remind guys that our choices impacts the outcome. And you're right, healthy people just don't die of herpes because in the case I described, it spread to brain and the encephalopathy killed him. His immune system was not in question, it's his decision not to get treated during the early stages.

    Here's another example: healthy 37yo guy didnt like going to a dentist so he didn't bother going to one when he had a dental abscess growing. Same scenario...it spread to his brain and he died. His wife told me he was in constant pain and even though he noticed the drainage, he still refused to seek professional help.

    It's all about choices!
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    Oct 20, 2015 8:37 PM GMT
    MuchMoreThanMuscle saidThis isn't a "gay" thing. One out of six, or one out of five (depending on what source you use) people has one form of herpes or another. That's twenty percent of the population.

    It's manageable and can be treated with Valtrex or Acocylovir. There are commercials for Valtrex where a couple, with one partner who has it, has a satisfactory sex life without passing it on to the his or her partner.



    The point of the thread isn't herpes. Its about the false claims of safe sex that so many gay men make when their actions prove otherwise.

    I could have easily made it about the bottom who pulled the condom off me because I was going limp. When I wouldn't insert he asked if I had anything.
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    Oct 20, 2015 8:42 PM GMT
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    Example: one of the patients I cared for had untreated herpes. It got so bad that it spread to his spine and traveled to his brain, causing swelling and he required ventilator support. We tried to save this guy's life but it was too late. The swelling had taken over and he died 3 days later.


    What other medical conditions did this person have? Did he have untreated HIV that lead to AIDS or did he have something else that was tearing his body down?

    Healthy people just don't die of herpes.

    This contribution you provided is a bit incomplete and will more than likely cause unnecessary panic here to paranoid members of the site.


    This occurred more than 6 years ago so I don't remember his past medical history but from what I can recall, he didn't have HIV or AIDS. What I do remember is this guy must've known he had the STD because he had multiple lesions on his dick and balls.

    And I'm not attempting to cause a panic. My contribution is to remind guys that our choices impacts the outcome. And you're right, healthy people just don't die of herpes because in the case I described, it spread to brain and the encephalopathy killed him. His immune system was not in question, it's his decision not to get treated during the early stages.

    Here's another example: healthy 37yo guy didnt like going to a dentist so he didn't bother going to one when he had a dental abscess growing. Same scenario...it spread to his brain and he died. His wife told me he was in constant pain and even though he noticed the drainage, he still refused to seek professional help.

    It's all about choices!


    Do herpes treatments have any side effects? How common is encephalitis caused by herpes? My doctor would love to lecture you. He hates when healthcare providers believe everyone with a specific condition needs medication.
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    Oct 20, 2015 8:49 PM GMT
    timmm55 saidI never heard of Herpes Gladiatorum before!

    It is Common Among Wrestlers

    Jan. 10, 2000 (Atlanta) -- Herpes simplex virus type 1 (HSV-1) acquired during wrestling is one of the most common infections caused by personal contact during athletic activity, according to a report in the December issue of The Pediatric Infectious Disease Journal. Physicians say the condition, called herpes gladiatorum, causes skin lesions on the head, neck, and shoulders that are often misdiagnosed.

    http://www.webmd.com/skin-problems-and-treatments/news/20000110/herpes-gladiatorum-is-common-among-wrestlers

    So why make it a gay issue?


    Its a gay issue because I'm talking to gay people about gay sex and STDs
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    Oct 20, 2015 8:53 PM GMT
    6packabs saidI would feel horrible in spreading disease. It baffles my mind that guys could be like that, but of course, I always assume that they could be a risk, even if they claim to be clean.

    There are cures for things that the mainstream would rather we not know about. Herpes, in particular, has been eradicated from the body by a protocol by an Australian doctor, I think consisting of 3 months of his regimen, which has as a key component, a mineral supplement.

    I believe there are things kept from the masses that the elite have at their disposal, and there are plenty of things that could be cited as legitimizing the notion of "conspiracy" among the banking class who would rather not let some info out to bless humanity. (Who Killed The Electric Car, for example, is a film that would expose this fact. It premiered at Sundance in 2006, and I saw it then. Al Gore speaks of changing your light bulb and submitting to a UN Global carbon tax, but he fails to mention that he and his elite handlers destroy much better means of transportation to keep us enslaved to fossile fuels and the more than 100 years old technology that is the internal combustion engine).

    Wouldn't it be great if STD's weren't an issue? I'd get pretty damn wild, if that were the case, on occasion.

    I'm intrigued with this documentary, and need to revisit it, claiming much of AIDS or HIV to be not what we are told:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwgmzbnckII








    The first spoken words are "There's nothing like HIV, there's no disease...no infectious disease...that essentially kills everyone who gets it."

    The statement is so fundamentally flawed. Ebola? The Black Plague?

    In 2011, when it was posted, it certainly wasn't true. It doesn't kill everyone, or even close today. It's only wishful thinking for their theory to be true, and it discounts modern meds like ART.
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    timmm55 saidI never heard of Herpes Gladiatorum before!

    It is Common Among Wrestlers

    Jan. 10, 2000 (Atlanta) -- Herpes simplex virus type 1 (HSV-1) acquired during wrestling is one of the most common infections caused by personal contact during athletic activity, according to a report in the December issue of The Pediatric Infectious Disease Journal. Physicians say the condition, called herpes gladiatorum, causes skin lesions on the head, neck, and shoulders that are often misdiagnosed.

    http://www.webmd.com/skin-problems-and-treatments/news/20000110/herpes-gladiatorum-is-common-among-wrestlers

    So why make it a gay issue?


    Its a gay issue because I'm talking to gay people about gay sex and STDs


    Is gay wrestling the common mode of infection?

    No.

    You say "Gay guys aren't serious about STDs." That's simply not true.

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    timmm55 said
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    timmm55 saidI never heard of Herpes Gladiatorum before!

    It is Common Among Wrestlers

    Jan. 10, 2000 (Atlanta) -- Herpes simplex virus type 1 (HSV-1) acquired during wrestling is one of the most common infections caused by personal contact during athletic activity, according to a report in the December issue of The Pediatric Infectious Disease Journal. Physicians say the condition, called herpes gladiatorum, causes skin lesions on the head, neck, and shoulders that are often misdiagnosed.

    http://www.webmd.com/skin-problems-and-treatments/news/20000110/herpes-gladiatorum-is-common-among-wrestlers

    So why make it a gay issue?


    Its a gay issue because I'm talking to gay people about gay sex and STDs


    Is gay wrestling the common mode of infection?

    No.

    You say "Gay guys aren't serious about STDs." That's simply not true.



    Someone who is serious about not contracting herpes does not wrestle nude. No gay wrestling is not the common mode of infection. Wrestling is. I also made it very clear this thread is not about this one event. Its about my observations of what gay men say and how they behave. I'm not going to go back and forth with you. Your reputation precedes you.
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    Oct 20, 2015 9:11 PM GMT
    MrFuscle said
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    Example: one of the patients I cared for had untreated herpes. It got so bad that it spread to his spine and traveled to his brain, causing swelling and he required ventilator support. We tried to save this guy's life but it was too late. The swelling had taken over and he died 3 days later.


    What other medical conditions did this person have? Did he have untreated HIV that lead to AIDS or did he have something else that was tearing his body down?

    Healthy people just don't die of herpes.

    This contribution you provided is a bit incomplete and will more than likely cause unnecessary panic here to paranoid members of the site.


    This occurred more than 6 years ago so I don't remember his past medical history but from what I can recall, he didn't have HIV or AIDS. What I do remember is this guy must've known he had the STD because he had multiple lesions on his dick and balls.

    And I'm not attempting to cause a panic. My contribution is to remind guys that our choices impacts the outcome. And you're right, healthy people just don't die of herpes because in the case I described, it spread to brain and the encephalopathy killed him. His immune system was not in question, it's his decision not to get treated during the early stages.

    Here's another example: healthy 37yo guy didnt like going to a dentist so he didn't bother going to one when he had a dental abscess growing. Same scenario...it spread to his brain and he died. His wife told me he was in constant pain and even though he noticed the drainage, he still refused to seek professional help.

    It's all about choices!


    Do herpes treatments have any side effects? How common is encephalitis caused by herpes? My doctor would love to lecture you. He hates when healthcare providers believe everyone with a specific condition needs medication.


    1. First answer: nausea, vomiting, headache are typical but for many, no side effects.
    2. Second answer: rare. I've only seen it 3 times since I've worked in healthcare.
    3. Why would your doctor lecture me? I believe medication is needed when it's warranted. When I get a cold, I ride it out!