Watch Biden announcement (to NOT run) live right now

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    Oct 21, 2015 4:13 PM GMT
    http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_APNEWSALERT?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT
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    Oct 21, 2015 4:14 PM GMT
    http://www.nbcnews.com/video/watch-live-biden-and-obama-speak-at-white-house-322484291648?
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    Oct 21, 2015 4:18 PM GMT
    And I mean right this second.
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    Oct 21, 2015 4:18 PM GMT
    He's NOT running
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    Oct 21, 2015 4:33 PM GMT
    His best speech ever. Sorry to hear his decision. I could have voted for this man.
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    Oct 21, 2015 4:49 PM GMT
    Barring an indictment, Hillary is the next POTUS.
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    Oct 21, 2015 5:13 PM GMT
    freedomisntfree saidBarring an indictment, Hillary is the next POTUS.


    You're probably right but, then again, NOTHING in this election cycle has proven very predictable. We're in unchartered territory here with Donald Trump in the mix. No one saw this coming (...other than The Donald, of course).

    Stay tuned...
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    Oct 21, 2015 5:19 PM GMT
    “This party, our nation, will make a tragic mistake if we walk away or attempt to undo the Obama legacy. Democrats should not only protect this record, or defend this record – they should run on this record.”

    Well said indeed. In 50 years' time, they won't be talking about the Iraq War or Trump's loud mouth. They will be lauding the presidency that introduced universal healthcare to the United States. Biden can take pride in (and much of the credit for) that.
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    Oct 21, 2015 5:24 PM GMT
    Ex_Mil8 saidIn 50 years' time, they won't be talking about the Iraq War or Trump's loud mouth. They will be lauding the presidency that introduced universal healthcare to the United States.


    My premiums just went up 40%, my deductible up from $5,000 to $5,500 with coverage, while in some cases better, in other cases not as good. Before people without insurance couldn't afford to get sick. Now people with insurance can barely afford to stay healthy. Obamacare is not what it's been touted as, and Americans are just now starting to wake up to this reality.
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    Oct 21, 2015 5:29 PM GMT
    That's because Americans were fooled into thinking Canada's health care system was a disaster. I get sick, I go to the doctor, get further tests if needed, get operated on if necessary and that's it: I go home, end of story. No stressing about affordability, dealing with an insurance company, etc.
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    Oct 21, 2015 5:55 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    freedomisntfree saidBarring an indictment, Hillary is the next POTUS.

    You're probably right but, then again, NOTHING in this election cycle has proven very predictable. We're in unchartered territory here with Donald Trump in the mix. No one saw this coming (...other than The Donald, of course).

    Stay tuned...

    All true.
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    Oct 21, 2015 5:57 PM GMT
    Ex_Mil8 said“This party, our nation, will make a tragic mistake if we walk away or attempt to undo the Obama legacy. Democrats should not only protect this record, or defend this record – they should run on this record.”

    Well said indeed. In 50 years' time, they won't be talking about the Iraq War or Trump's loud mouth. They will be lauding the presidency that introduced universal healthcare to the United States. Biden can take pride in (and much of the credit for) that.

    Along with gay rights. That has many fathers & mothers, none of them Reoublicans to my knowledge.
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    Oct 21, 2015 6:31 PM GMT
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    Ex_Mil8 said“This party, our nation, will make a tragic mistake if we walk away or attempt to undo the Obama legacy. Democrats should not only protect this record, or defend this record – they should run on this record.”

    Well said indeed. In 50 years' time, they won't be talking about the Iraq War or Trump's loud mouth. They will be lauding the presidency that introduced universal healthcare to the United States. Biden can take pride in (and much of the credit for) that.

    Along with gay rights. That has many fathers & mothers, none of them Reoublicans to my knowledge.


    None =

    http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/davidbadash/300_top_republicans_yes_republicans_just_asked_the_supreme_court_to_support_gay_marriage

    http://time.com/3734626/gay-marriage-supreme-court-republicans/

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2015/03/03/conservatives-filing-brief-in-favor-of-gay-marriage/

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/26/us/politics/prominent-republicans-sign-brief-in-support-of-gay-marriage.html

    A few of the names:


    Ken Mehlman,

    Rudy Giuliani

    Charles Koch

    Former EBay CEO and GOP nominee for California Governor Meg Whitman

    Retired Gen. Stanley McChrystal

    Former Bush Dep. Sec. of Defense Paul Wolfowitz

    Former U.S. Senator of Missouri and ordained Episcopal priest John C. Danforth

    Ronald Reagan White House Chief of Staff Kenneth M. Duberstein

    Mitt Romney presidential campaign Political Director and former RNC Political Director Rich Beeson


    Sen. John McCain's former Press Secretary Crystal Benton

    Sen. John McCain's former National Spokesman Tucker Bounds

    Gov. Scott Walker's former Deputy Campaign Manager Dan Blum

    Former U.S. Congresswoman Mary Bono

    Komen for the Cure founder and former US Ambassador to Hungary under George W. Bush Nancy Brinker

    Alex Castellanos, CNN contributor and GOP strategist

    Mary Cheney

    U.S Senator Susan Collins (Maine)

    S.E. Cupp

    Bush National Security Advisor Stephen Hadley

    Abby Huntsman

    John Huntsman

    U.S. Senator Mark Kirk (Illinois)

    CNN's Ana Navarro

    Former Pennsylvania Gov. and Homeland Security Dir. Tom Ridge

    Congresswoman Ileana Ros-Lehtinen

    Mitt Romney Press Sec. Andrea Saul
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    Oct 21, 2015 8:12 PM GMT
    Biden made the right decision. He's a great guy, but he could not have beaten Clinton. Clinton is simply smarter and has bigger balls. I think he did test the water just before he made his announcement--trying to distinguish himself from Clinton with respect to (a) working with the Republicans, and (b) advising Obama on whether to go after Bin Laden. With respect to (a), he sounded quite judgmental of Clinton. With respect to (b), he sounded like he was trying to rewrite history. I think he failed the test and he knew it. Meanwhile, some Republicans are saying that Biden would have been a better Democratic presidential candidate. But of course: Biden would have been easier to beat than Clinton. By the way, I don't know what Biden was thinking when he wrote that speech--it's one of the weirdest non-candidacy speeches I've ever heard. It sounded like he was bitter, and I think he did himself a disservice.
  • mstone18

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    Oct 23, 2015 1:22 AM GMT

    Sometimes the only winning move.. is to not 'play'