School Official Said A Shirt Was ‘An Open Invitation To Sex’

  • metta

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    Oct 23, 2015 5:16 AM GMT
    School Official Said A Shirt Was ‘An Open Invitation To Sex’

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    http://thinkprogress.org/education/2015/10/22/3715051/lesbian-students-t-shirts/
  • HPgeek934

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    Oct 23, 2015 1:02 PM GMT
    I'm kind of on the fence about this. While I disagree that the shirt is by no means an "open invitation to sex", I do see why a shirt like that would be prohibited to wear in High School. I feel like this has been happening a lot lately in schools across the country. Students not liking the dress code because of too short shorts on girls or tanks on boys being a little too open and the students causing an uproar about it on social media. A dress code is put into place for a reason. Would you question the dress code at your job? School prepares you for the real world, you should dress approproatly for it.

    Back to this shirt in question, when you are in school, you are under the care of the school. If another student who was homophobic saw this shirt and decided they didn't like it and took action into their own hands, the school would be responsible for the repercussions of it. So again, while I disagree with the "invitation to sex" comment, I can see how it fits into the “distracting, revealing, overly suggestive, or otherwise disruptive,” portion of the dress code.
  • Antarktis

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    Oct 23, 2015 2:10 PM GMT
    I have that shirt in black.
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    Oct 23, 2015 2:47 PM GMT
    Antarktis saidI have that shirt in black.


    Racist!!
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    Oct 23, 2015 3:24 PM GMT
    That's not an invitation. Only a republican would make such a statement. I wonder what they would say if I wore my "I like dick" tee shirt.icon_lol.gif
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    Oct 23, 2015 3:56 PM GMT
    HPgeek934 saidI'm kind of on the fence about this. While I disagree that the shirt is by no means an "open invitation to sex", I do see why a shirt like that would be prohibited to wear in High School. I feel like this has been happening a lot lately in schools across the country. Students not liking the dress code because of too short shorts on girls or tanks on boys being a little too open and the students causing an uproar about it on social media. A dress code is put into place for a reason. Would you question the dress code at your job? School prepares you for the real world, you should dress approproatly for it.

    Back to this shirt in question, when you are in school, you are under the care of the school. If another student who was homophobic saw this shirt and decided they didn't like it and took action into their own hands, the school would be responsible for the repercussions of it. So again, while I disagree with the "invitation to sex" comment, I can see how it fits into the “distracting, revealing, overly suggestive, or otherwise disruptive,” portion of the dress code.


    If a school has a dress code that says "no t shirts" then she can't wear that shirt and it doesn't violate her rights. If a Toronto blue jays t shirt is allowed but the school doesn't like the message on her shirt then her first amendment rights are being violated and she should sue.
  • bro4bro

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    Oct 23, 2015 4:03 PM GMT
    kscott6671 saidOnly a republican would make such a statement.


    Do you somehow not remember what high school was like? High school teachers and administrators are about the biggest fascists in American society (second only to the TSA). And teachers overwhelmingly vote Democrat.

    It isn't about politics. It's about poorly educated people being placed in positions of authority.
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    Oct 23, 2015 4:15 PM GMT
    I love one school administrator's response to banning this Lesbian shirt, despite it not being barred according to the student handbook: "Not everything's in the handbook".

    Oh, great. Teach students that you can make the rules up as you go along, and play "gottcha" afterwards. Is this like "Double Secret Probation"?

    The answer is simple, evidently too simple for people living in Red States. Just ban shirts with any messages from being worn in schools, period. None at all. Nor any symbolisms.

    So no Confederate flags, or NFL team shirts, or "Jesus Loves Me" shirts, no messages at all, stated or implied. The kids can still wear them when they're not in school. No potential classroom distractions, no rather bogus claims of "An open invitation to sex". (With a lesbian? Really? Just what every pubescent teen boy dreams about. And somehow I don't imagine any girl's gonna sexually assault her, either)

    Otherwise, you have to allow every message-bearing shirt to be worn. Because once the school gets into arbitrarily picking & choosing, and discriminating, over what's "correct" or not, they get into this kind of trouble. And making school more of a Hell for kids than it already is. icon_razz.gif
  • FitBlackCuddl...

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    Oct 23, 2015 4:47 PM GMT
    HPgeek934 said A dress code is put into place for a reason. Would you question the dress code at your job? School prepares you for the real world, you should dress appropriately for it.


    Yes, it is there as an act of social shaping and expectation of docility by those in power. ALL of the formative years until formal adulthood is simply to condition you to do as you are told.
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    Oct 23, 2015 5:02 PM GMT
    Wyndahoi saidIf a school has a dress code that says "no t shirts" then she can't wear that shirt and it doesn't violate her rights. If a Toronto blue jays t shirt is allowed but the school doesn't like the message on her shirt then her first amendment rights are being violated and she should sue.


    I'm not sure if you read all of what I wrote, but the schools dress code clearly states “distracting, revealing, overly suggestive, or otherwise disruptive,” articles of clothing would not be allowed. Someone higher up made the decision that a shirt that says "Nobody knows I'm a lesbian" to fit that. about 5 years ago my supervisor pulled both myself and another female assistant aside and told us that my dress shirt and her shoes weren't professional enough for the office, and asked her next time not to wear them to work. I didn't flip out. I had on a dress shirt like I wear every day, but the color didn't read professional, and neither did her shoes.

    And going back to your blue jays shirt, that very well could be prohibited as well depending on the circumstances. I went to HS in NY and when the world series subway series was happening students naturally wore their Mets or Yankees jerseys, which normally is allowed. BUT given the world series, tension and excitement was high and it started to cause problems and some students even fought about it, so the school banned all mets and yankees apparel until the end of the year.
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    Oct 23, 2015 5:17 PM GMT
    FitBlackCuddler said
    HPgeek934 said A dress code is put into place for a reason. Would you question the dress code at your job? School prepares you for the real world, you should dress appropriately for it.


    Yes, it is there as an act of social shaping and expectation of docility by those in power. ALL of the formative years until formal adulthood is simply to condition you to do as you are told.


    You may see it like that, I see it as learning how to follow the rules.
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    Oct 23, 2015 5:35 PM GMT
    FitBlackCuddler said
    HPgeek934 said A dress code is put into place for a reason. Would you question the dress code at your job? School prepares you for the real world, you should dress appropriately for it.

    Yes, it is there as an act of social shaping and expectation of docility by those in power. ALL of the formative years until formal adulthood is simply to condition you to do as you are told.

    None of the above is the correct answer. Childhood is a time of learning, when a kid's mind absorbs things like a sponge. How in the world do toddlers by their first year begin to acquire language? No one sits them down and teaches them, they miraculously learn it on their own. From all the languages on Earth, most of which I can't comprehend myself to this day.

    At the same time, a child must be guided and protected. They may learn your language mostly on their own, but they're not ready to fly off and leave the nest quite yet.

    There are many other lessons to be learned yet, dangers to be protected against, and a lot more "care & feeding" to be provided. And formal education is one thing adults can give them they usually won't manage on their own.

    But I'm also a strong believer that childhood is for children, which adults should not try to invade too much. Sometimes the best time for kids is their own kids time. Just like sometimes I need a little "Bob" time for myself.

    The job of adults is to provide children with a good environment, and the means, to make that kids time healthy, safe & stimulating to their young minds. And of course always to be there for them when they want & need us, never far from their call, to deal with the occasional mishap or misadventure, or when they just could use a hug and a kiss.

    And so school is a part of that growing process, and the teaching staff effectively surrogate parents. During which supervision is still done, and certain behaviors will be checked. Just like, I hope, would be done at home.

    But you haven't convinced me that adults use childhood to condition kids in the sinister Orwellian way you suggest. No doubt some adults do, but I don't believe that's widespread. Maybe you know too many US Fundamentalists.

    Just as kids learn language, they also learn from adults the culture & mores of their society. From whom else would they get it? And whether the youngster chooses to accept or reject those values will ultimately be his own choice, once he/she's of legal age.

    And I for one don't wanna condition or program any child's thinking. I mainly just want to see them have growing up and learning, and having fun every moment they can. Because what most of them can't see looming is the dreary existence of average American adulthood. When laughs & leisure are in short supply nowadays.
  • FRE0

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    Oct 23, 2015 6:49 PM GMT
    Most message shirts are in bad taste anyway.
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    Oct 23, 2015 7:32 PM GMT
    Art_Deco saidI love one school administrator's response to banning this Lesbian shirt, despite it not being barred according to the student handbook: "Not everything's in the handbook".


    That is a reasonable statement. There is no way in Hell a school dress code can cover the entire spectrum of possibilities. There is a thing called the spirit of the law. Unfortunately, there are those who will push the envelope just to make a statement or poke the administration (the Man) in the eye. What will happen is that the dress code will be rewritten to ban ALL t-shirts. Only buttondown shirts with collars (which was what my school dress code stated) will be allowed. This self centered prick will ruin it for everyone. There's always one who will fuck it up for the many.

    Yes, I understand that change often comes through bucking the system but part of the maturation process is learning to pick your battles.

    I'm surprised the school allowed shirts or any article of clothing with any slogans or sayings on them. I'd rewrite the code to allow only clothing with no images or writing on them. Problem solved.
  • FitBlackCuddl...

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    Oct 23, 2015 9:12 PM GMT
    Art_Deco said
    FitBlackCuddler said
    HPgeek934 said A dress code is put into place for a reason. Would you question the dress code at your job? School prepares you for the real world, you should dress appropriately for it.

    Yes, it is there as an act of social shaping and expectation of docility by those in power. ALL of the formative years until formal adulthood is simply to condition you to do as you are told.


    None of the above is the correct answer. Childhood is a time of learning, when a kid's mind absorbs things like a sponge. How in the world do toddlers by their first year begin to acquire language? No one sits them down and teaches them, they miraculously learn it on their own.

    Not correct, in YOUR opinion, sir. Kids DO absorb so much so effortlessly, mentally and physically. And perhaps in other ways. I do not recall that period--only that the "window" closed and effortless genius STOPPED.

    At the same time, a child must be guided and protected...there are many other lessons to be learned yet, dangers to be protected against, and a lot more "care & feeding" to be provided. And formal education is one thing adults can give them they usually won't manage on their own.

    The influences of parents and authority figures took over and it was downhill thereafter.

    The job of adults is to provide children with a good environment

    Which they seldom do because parents are not wise and often see children as possessions they can do with as they please.

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    Oct 23, 2015 9:14 PM GMT
    HPgeek934 said
    FitBlackCuddler said
    HPgeek934 said A dress code is put into place for a reason. Would you question the dress code at your job? School prepares you for the real world, you should dress appropriately for it.


    Yes, it is there as an act of social shaping and expectation of docility by those in power. ALL of the formative years until formal adulthood is simply to condition you to do as you are told.


    You may see it like that, I see it as learning how to follow the rules.


    Someone ELSE'S rules.
  • HPgeek934

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    Oct 23, 2015 9:19 PM GMT
    So you don't like rules? Would you show up to work in a bathing suit, flip flops and a tank? Rules give order, rules are necessary.
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    Oct 23, 2015 11:20 PM GMT
    HPgeek934 saidSo you don't like rules? Would you show up to work in a bathing suit, flip flops and a tank? Rules give order, rules are necessary.


    Perhaps. The quality and validity of rules equate to their source. Flip flops...a bathing suit or a tank would not necessarily diminish the quality of a person's performance.
  • Antarktis

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    Oct 24, 2015 12:16 AM GMT
    Flaguy57 said
    Antarktis saidI have that shirt in black.


    Racist!!


    The word you seek is,'misogynist.'
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    Oct 24, 2015 12:18 AM GMT
    Flaguy57 said
    Antarktis saidI have that shirt in black.


    Racist!!


    I'm a lesbian
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    Oct 24, 2015 1:41 AM GMT
    FitBlackCuddler said
    HPgeek934 said A dress code is put into place for a reason. Would you question the dress code at your job? School prepares you for the real world, you should dress appropriately for it.


    Yes, it is there as an act of social shaping and expectation of docility by those in power. ALL of the formative years until formal adulthood is simply to condition you to do as you are told.



    +1

    I remember having to wear uniforms in primary school in the UK. Boy, those were the days...

    Cheers,

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    Oct 24, 2015 2:29 AM GMT
    HPgeek934 saidI'm kind of on the fence about this. While I disagree that the shirt is by no means an "open invitation to sex", I do see why a shirt like that would be prohibited to wear in High School. I feel like this has been happening a lot lately in schools across the country. Students not liking the dress code because of too short shorts on girls or tanks on boys being a little too open and the students causing an uproar about it on social media. A dress code is put into place for a reason. Would you question the dress code at your job? School prepares you for the real world, you should dress approproatly for it.

    Back to this shirt in question, when you are in school, you are under the care of the school. If another student who was homophobic saw this shirt and decided they didn't like it and took action into their own hands, the school would be responsible for the repercussions of it. So again, while I disagree with the "invitation to sex" comment, I can see how it fits into the “distracting, revealing, overly suggestive, or otherwise disruptive,” portion of the dress code.



    I agree. This is inappropriate for school. But the PC Police here will no doubt bash you for your sensible statement. They feel anyone should be able to say and do anything they like at all times.
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    Oct 24, 2015 2:44 AM GMT
    This is so dumb. If the shirt was something promoting heterosexuality nothing would've been said.

    Also how is "nobody knows I'm a lesbian" an invitation for sex? It's literally her saying that nobody knows she's a lesbian.

    Honestly straight america is so annoying.
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    Oct 24, 2015 3:03 AM GMT
    kscott6671 saidThat's not an invitation. Only a republican would make such a statement. I wonder what they would say if I wore my "I like dick" tee shirt.icon_lol.gif


    The shirt in question at the school, I think would be okay. I would think I like dick shirt would be more difficult to agree to. However, please feel free to wear it over to my place. icon_biggrin.gif
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    Oct 24, 2015 10:33 AM GMT
    Antarktis saidI have that shirt in black.


    Me Too. Also, His Gay ------> in red.