my how times have changed

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    Oct 23, 2015 11:41 PM GMT
    I work at a private epsicopal high school of about 1200 students and this week has been homecoming week. All the usual festivities have been going on... football games, pep rallies, random activities, etc. and of course the election of homecoming king and queen.There were 4 "couples" up for nomination.... 3 straights and a lesbian couple.
    This year two girls (who are apparently a couple) were elected by the student body...

    When the announcement came in the entire school erupted... was all good energy, etc. the two queens (lesbians) were crowned, etc. Everyone took their picture, blah blah blah.... they were introduced at the football game and everything. Parents, students, administration...no one seemed to bat an eye lash. . . . 2 fucking lesbians were elected and everyone just treated it like the big deal that it wasn't. it was very nice. It seemed normal. It seemed like no big deal, just 2 people happy. it was great. I was very proud of my school today. .. No one was disgusted or pissed off about it or offended....it was just the typical homecoming week only a same-sex couple were crowned homecoming king and queen

    Their picture will be included in the local paper, yearbook, various public events...etc.
    So different than when I was in high school just 13 years ago.

    Cheers
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    Oct 24, 2015 12:42 AM GMT
    Import saidI work at a private epsicopal high school of about 1200 students and this week has been homecoming week. All the usual festivities have been going on... football games, pep rallies, random activities, etc. and of course the election of homecoming king and queen.There were 4 "couples" up for nomination.... 3 straights and a lesbian couple.
    This year two girls (who are apparently a couple) were elected by the student body...

    When the announcement came in the entire school erupted... was all good energy, etc. the two queens (lesbians) were crowned, etc. Everyone took their picture, blah blah blah.... they were introduced at the football game and everything. Parents, students, administration...no one seemed to bat an eye lash. . . . 2 fucking lesbians were elected and everyone just treated it like the big deal that it wasn't. it was very nice. It seemed normal. It seemed like no big deal, just 2 people happy. it was great. I was very proud of my school today. .. No one was disgusted or pissed off about it or offended....it was just the typical homecoming week only a same-sex couple were crowned homecoming king and queen

    Their picture will be included in the local paper, yearbook, various public events...etc.
    So different than when I was in high school just 13 years ago.

    Cheers


    That's cool. I hope the younger gays appreciate how fast and how recently things have changed for us. It's been amazing for me to witness.

    Now we just need the Catholics to wise up :p
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    Oct 24, 2015 1:05 AM GMT
    That is a nice story.

    Lesbians are more accepted by society than gays.

    Straight guys love the thought of two women getting it on.

    I'm not sure that can be said of straight women thinking of two guys getting it on.

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    Oct 24, 2015 3:13 AM GMT
    mystery905 saidThat is a nice story.

    Lesbians are more accepted by society than gays.

    Straight guys love the thought of two women getting it on.

    I'm not sure that can be said of straight women thinking of two guys getting it on.



    True. I'm sure they're lipstick lesbians and not squat, tattooed, chopper riding bull dykes.

    Call me when two flaming queens are voted homecumming kings. Then I'll be impressed.
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    Oct 24, 2015 1:41 PM GMT
    It is nice to hear. A lot of this may have to do with the changes the whole Episcopal Church has been making in the past 20 years on this issue. Gay and lesbian clergy have been making inroads since the 1970s and in 2003 the first gay male bishop was elected, followed by a lesbian in 2008. We even have a few trans clergy now but they have a much harder time getting a call to a parish, just because it is newer for people I guess.

    It also depends a lot on your diocese. Your profile doesn't say where you are, but where the bishop stands on these issues can make a big difference in how schools and other institutions act.
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    Oct 24, 2015 2:31 PM GMT
    That's nice. I think the homecoming court has for a while now been a way for students to honor people who might otherwise be overlooked. My class voted a Down's girl queen. I'll never forget how happy she and her parents were. And the two popular girls in the running encouraged everybody not to vote for them so she could be queen. I don't know where they are these days but I hope a lot of good karma came their way.
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    Oct 24, 2015 3:23 PM GMT
    Great story! thanks for sharing.
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    Oct 24, 2015 4:15 PM GMT
    That is a cool story. Any links? If you need a date for the homecoming dance, let me know.
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    Oct 24, 2015 4:21 PM GMT
    JackBoneTX said
    Import saidI work at a private epsicopal high school of about 1200 students and this week has been homecoming week. All the usual festivities have been going on... football games, pep rallies, random activities, etc. and of course the election of homecoming king and queen.There were 4 "couples" up for nomination.... 3 straights and a lesbian couple.
    This year two girls (who are apparently a couple) were elected by the student body...

    When the announcement came in the entire school erupted... was all good energy, etc. the two queens (lesbians) were crowned, etc. Everyone took their picture, blah blah blah.... they were introduced at the football game and everything. Parents, students, administration...no one seemed to bat an eye lash. . . . 2 fucking lesbians were elected and everyone just treated it like the big deal that it wasn't. it was very nice. It seemed normal. It seemed like no big deal, just 2 people happy. it was great. I was very proud of my school today. .. No one was disgusted or pissed off about it or offended....it was just the typical homecoming week only a same-sex couple were crowned homecoming king and queen

    Their picture will be included in the local paper, yearbook, various public events...etc.
    So different than when I was in high school just 13 years ago.

    Cheers


    That's cool. I hope the younger gays appreciate how fast and how recently things have changed for us. It's been amazing for me to witness.

    Now we just need the Catholics to wise up :p

    And the fundamental Christians!
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    Oct 24, 2015 4:27 PM GMT
    That's a pretty great story, I realized a while ago that this type of thing that was never accepted in my time, would eventually be normal. I think that they should change the name to homecoming couple though instead of king and queen lol.
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    Oct 24, 2015 4:30 PM GMT
    After a few years of graduating my high school I found out after meeting my band director in my local grocery store that a gay guy won prom king, she said that I reminded her of him. We both were the top boys in our guard and quite skilled.

    It's funny how things can change even within a few years.
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    Oct 24, 2015 4:41 PM GMT
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    mystery905 saidThat is a nice story.

    Lesbians are more accepted by society than gays.

    Straight guys love the thought of two women getting it on.

    I'm not sure that can be said of straight women thinking of two guys getting it on.



    True. I'm sure they're lipstick lesbians and not squat, tattooed, chopper riding bull dykes.

    Call me when two flaming queens are voted homecumming kings. Then I'll be impressed.


    Good news is usually bad news for someone, but I wouldn't have expected (allegedly) gay people to portray this story in a negative light. Okay, given who it is, I probably would. All we need now is tj to come along and say, "Big deal. These kids will probably be wiped out in a gun massacre anyway".
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    Oct 24, 2015 5:13 PM GMT
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    Import saidI work at a private epsicopal high school of about 1200 students and this week has been homecoming week. All the usual festivities have been going on... football games, pep rallies, random activities, etc. and of course the election of homecoming king and queen.There were 4 "couples" up for nomination.... 3 straights and a lesbian couple.
    This year two girls (who are apparently a couple) were elected by the student body...

    When the announcement came in the entire school erupted... was all good energy, etc. the two queens (lesbians) were crowned, etc. Everyone took their picture, blah blah blah.... they were introduced at the football game and everything. Parents, students, administration...no one seemed to bat an eye lash. . . . 2 fucking lesbians were elected and everyone just treated it like the big deal that it wasn't. it was very nice. It seemed normal. It seemed like no big deal, just 2 people happy. it was great. I was very proud of my school today. .. No one was disgusted or pissed off about it or offended....it was just the typical homecoming week only a same-sex couple were crowned homecoming king and queen

    Their picture will be included in the local paper, yearbook, various public events...etc.
    So different than when I was in high school just 13 years ago.

    Cheers


    That's cool. I hope the younger gays appreciate how fast and how recently things have changed for us. It's been amazing for me to witness.

    Now we just need the Catholics to wise up :p


    Catholic church is kind of all over the map right now. In my parents' diocese the bishop authorized a LGBT ministry. In the one we live in (were we Catholic) the bishop told priests not to give communion to people they know vote pro-LGBT.
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    Oct 24, 2015 5:17 PM GMT
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    UndercoverMan said
    mystery905 saidThat is a nice story.

    Lesbians are more accepted by society than gays.

    Straight guys love the thought of two women getting it on.

    I'm not sure that can be said of straight women thinking of two guys getting it on.



    True. I'm sure they're lipstick lesbians and not squat, tattooed, chopper riding bull dykes.

    Call me when two flaming queens are voted homecumming kings. Then I'll be impressed.


    Good news is usually bad news for someone, but I wouldn't have expected (allegedly) gay people to portray this story in a negative light. Okay, given who it is, I probably would. All we need now is tj to come along and say, "Big deal. These kids will probably be wiped out in a gun massacre anyway".

    pffft exactly. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Oct 24, 2015 5:18 PM GMT
    ShiftyJK08 saidIt is nice to hear. A lot of this may have to do with the changes the whole Episcopal Church has been making in the past 20 years on this issue. Gay and lesbian clergy have been making inroads since the 1970s and in 2003 the first gay male bishop was elected, followed by a lesbian in 2008. We even have a few trans clergy now but they have a much harder time getting a call to a parish, just because it is newer for people I guess.

    It also depends a lot on your diocese. Your profile doesn't say where you are, but where the bishop stands on these issues can make a big difference in how schools and other institutions act.

    My profile states I'm in Miami. icon_smile.gif
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    Oct 24, 2015 5:38 PM GMT
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    ShiftyJK08 saidIt is nice to hear. A lot of this may have to do with the changes the whole Episcopal Church has been making in the past 20 years on this issue. Gay and lesbian clergy have been making inroads since the 1970s and in 2003 the first gay male bishop was elected, followed by a lesbian in 2008. We even have a few trans clergy now but they have a much harder time getting a call to a parish, just because it is newer for people I guess.

    It also depends a lot on your diocese. Your profile doesn't say where you are, but where the bishop stands on these issues can make a big difference in how schools and other institutions act.

    My profile states I'm in Miami. icon_smile.gif


    Oh, missed that somehow. Sorry. Anyway yea Frade is one of the cool ones. Only one in Fla. I think, although a few are "evolving".
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    Oct 24, 2015 5:40 PM GMT
    Glad to see this. I joined the Episcopal church when I was about age 20, when I heard an intelligent sermon and found out the priest and his assistant were openly gay and fully loved & accepted. These two men had been running this church openly since the late 1940's. I'm still going to this same church & we now have a lesbian clergy. The Episcopal church: A great place for people who think, gay straight or whatever.
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    Oct 24, 2015 5:49 PM GMT
    Jockbod48 saidGlad to see this. I joined the Episcopal church when I was about age 20, when I heard an intelligent sermon and found out the priest and his assistant were openly gay and fully loved & accepted. These two men had been running this church openly since the late 1940's. I'm still going to this same church & we now have a lesbian clergy. The Episcopal church: A great place for people who think, gay straight or whatever.


    Similar experience here except it was after 9-11 when I got involved in the relief effort they were doing.
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    Oct 24, 2015 6:31 PM GMT
    Thanks for sharing Import icon_smile.gif
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    Oct 24, 2015 6:38 PM GMT
    Glad to hear that, bro. Cheers.
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    Oct 24, 2015 6:53 PM GMT
    Import said
    Ex_Mil8 said
    UndercoverMan said
    mystery905 saidThat is a nice story.

    Lesbians are more accepted by society than gays.

    Straight guys love the thought of two women getting it on.

    I'm not sure that can be said of straight women thinking of two guys getting it on.



    True. I'm sure they're lipstick lesbians and not squat, tattooed, chopper riding bull dykes.

    Call me when two flaming queens are voted homecumming kings. Then I'll be impressed.


    Good news is usually bad news for someone, but I wouldn't have expected (allegedly) gay people to portray this story in a negative light. Okay, given who it is, I probably would. All we need now is tj to come along and say, "Big deal. These kids will probably be wiped out in a gun massacre anyway".

    pffft exactly. icon_rolleyes.gif


    The reality is that lesbianism is more accepted than being gay males.

    So we haven't come as far as we should.
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    Oct 24, 2015 7:32 PM GMT
    That's a good and encouraging story. I think that I can legitimately take part of the credit for it.

    When I lived in Minneapolis (1957 - 1978 ) , I knew many of the early gay activists who took considerable risks to change attitudes, often even risking their careers. I felt that I should do something to assist, so I did.

    In about 1975 I founded Integrity Twin Cities which was the local chapter of the national organization for gay men and women in the Episcopal Church. In doing so, I also risked my career and my Secret Security Clearance, but fortunately nothing bad happened. We found that there was considerable support among the clergy. In 1978, after I had moved to San Diego, the annual national convention for Integrity was held at Gethsemane Episcopal Church in Minneapolis.

    The Episcopal Diocese of Minnesota turned out to be gay friendly, even in the 1970s, but the same was not true of all Episcopal dioceses and even now some are not gay friendly. However, progress continues.

    One of the things that greatly changed attitudes in the Episcopal Church occurred at one of the General Conventions; the Episcopal Church is ruled by the General Convention which occurs every three years. It consists mostly of deputies elected by each individual parish; of priests, and of bishops. At one of the General Conventions, a book entitled A Book of Revelations, which was printed in 1991, was distributed to everyone at the convention.

    http://www.amazon.com/Book-Revelations-Lesbian-Episcopalians-Stories/dp/0962950602/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1445715061&sr=1-3-fkmr0&keywords=a+book+of+revelations+-+lewis+crew

    It has about 50 authors, including me, each of whom wrote about his or her struggle with being gay. Anyone reading the book would reach the inescapable conclusion that being gay is not a choice. That realization greatly changed attitudes and accelerated the trend in the Episcopal Church to becoming gay friendly.
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    Oct 25, 2015 12:02 AM GMT
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    mystery905 saidThat is a nice story.

    Lesbians are more accepted by society than gays.

    Straight guys love the thought of two women getting it on.

    I'm not sure that can be said of straight women thinking of two guys getting it on.



    True. I'm sure they're lipstick lesbians and not squat, tattooed, chopper riding bull dykes.

    Call me when two flaming queens are voted homecumming kings. Then I'll be impressed.


    Good news is usually bad news for someone, but I wouldn't have expected (allegedly) gay people to portray this story in a negative light. Okay, given who it is, I probably would. All we need now is tj to come along and say, "Big deal. These kids will probably be wiped out in a gun massacre anyway".


    Never said it was bad news. Just not impressed. Learn to read.

    And there's no allegedly involved. I'm gay. I'm married to a man. Don't need any church's, person's, or community's, approval. Not looking for it. Don't need it. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Oct 25, 2015 1:56 AM GMT
    This is great news - that it was so non-controversial

    I didn't even know that ht episcopal church had its own schools. Yours is obviously in a liberal diocese. A spectator like me ( non-religious) wonders what the future of that church is - what with a large number of dioceses splitting off to join the African Anglicans because they don[t want to ordain gay bishops.
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    Oct 25, 2015 2:37 AM GMT
    Puppenjunge saidThis is great news - that it was so non-controversial

    I didn't even know that ht episcopal church had its own schools. Yours is obviously in a liberal diocese. A spectator like me ( non-religious) wonders what the future of that church is - what with a large number of dioceses splitting off to join the African Anglicans because they don[t want to ordain gay bishops.


    There is not "a large number of dioceses" that did this.

    I believe there is one, in South Carolina, and a fraction of a few others. The total number of people aligning themselves to the various splinter groups is fewer than 10% of the previous membership (and the splits started in the 70s with female ordinations, not with gay bishops).

    That said, TEC and all American churches are facing a membership crisis, but it has less to do with gay bishops than the fact that young people just plain old don't go to church. Same thing is happening in conservative denominations.

    The only groups that are growing are those who attract a lot of recent immigrants.