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    Oct 24, 2015 4:52 PM GMT
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    If you could go back in time, would you kill baby Hitler?
    If Hitler was unborn I could kick Hitler's mother in the stomach no problem. But I couldn't kill a baby even if he grew up to be Hitler. (My favorite answer though was the woman who said "If I was on a long flight and baby Hitler was crying nonstop....")
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    Oct 24, 2015 5:01 PM GMT
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    It is an interesting moral philosophy question, to which I can answer an unequivocal, "Yes". All the better if, at the same time, they could line up baby Stalin, baby Pol Pot and baby ISIS founder.
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    Oct 24, 2015 5:08 PM GMT
    Ex_Mil8 saidFather-DeCarlo-presides-over-the-blades-

    It is an interesting moral philosophy question, to which I can answer an unequivocal, "Yes". All the better if, at the same time, they could line up baby Stalin, baby Pol Pot and baby ISIS leader.

    Even though my answer was no, I'm still surprised the poll results weren't overwhelmingly yes.
    42% yes
    30% no
    28% unsure
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    Oct 24, 2015 5:09 PM GMT
    Then what does it say about a god (presuming you believe in one) that would allow such a person to be born to begin with?
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    Oct 24, 2015 5:19 PM GMT
    UndercoverMan saidThen what does it say about a god (presuming you believe in one) that would allow such a person to be born to begin with?


    It's called free will... Love it or hate it.
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    Oct 24, 2015 5:20 PM GMT
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    Even though my answer was no, I'm still surprised the poll results weren't overwhelmingly yes.
    42% yes
    30% no
    28% unsure


    What, no results for punting the (presumably entirely innocent) Frau Hitler in the gut? I would have very strong reservations about doing his mother in.
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    Oct 24, 2015 5:26 PM GMT
    A kick in the stomach isn't killing the mother. It's aborting the unborn child. It's that word baby that hangs me up.
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    Oct 24, 2015 5:34 PM GMT
    Well, I'm not a Victorian doctor, but I'm pretty sure that, in 1889, kicking a woman with sufficient force to abort her baby would bring with it a significant risk of death (to her). I'd rather dispatch little Adolf without any third party injury.
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    Oct 24, 2015 5:44 PM GMT
    Would you change god's plan? (He is supposed to be omnipotent and omniscient, remember.) And who's to say Hitler would not have been replaced? Perhaps by Göring, or some otherwise non-entity in the party? There were many in Weimar Germany that wanted war with France - not just Hitler.

    Killing Hitler as an infant might just not have prevented the wars to come. Maybe he was being watched over by some greater power to assure that we would have some sort of conflagration. In the Munich putsch, a policeman shot at Hitler, and missed him only by inches, killing the man standing behind him. Von Staufenberg's bomb went off feet away from Hitler, killing others, but leaving Hitler only bruised and angry.

    Despite his mother knowing the future and bathing Achilles in the river Styx to protect him, he still died at Troy. Maybe there are limits to control destiny - especially if imagining changing the past.
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    Oct 24, 2015 5:56 PM GMT
    If Hitler had not done it, someone else would have. There was so much hate between Europeans, and so much antisemitism.
    Blaming one man only for everything that happened is a bit silly.
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    Oct 24, 2015 5:59 PM GMT
    DefensiveEnd saidTrending on Twitter:
    If you could go back in time, would you kill baby Hitler?
    If Hitler was unborn I could kick Hitler's mother in the stomach no problem. But I couldn't kill a baby even if he grew up to be Hitler. (My favorite answer though was the woman who said "If I was on a long flight and baby Hitler was crying nonstop....")
    http://heavy.com/social/2015/10/baby-hitler-best-tweets-funny-nyt-poll-survey-answers-twitter/


    But just say that in kicking the fetus' mother in the stomach you didn't kill baby Hitler; however, he grew up to be the monster he was anyway, you'd be remembered by history as the person who caused his brain injuries that resulted in his killing millions.

    It's best not to toy with history.
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    Oct 24, 2015 6:07 PM GMT
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    UndercoverMan saidThen what does it say about a god (presuming you believe in one) that would allow such a person to be born to begin with?


    It's called free will... Love it or hate it.


    Seems a nice tidy way to allow god off the hook. If god doesn't prevent the killing of millions by a despot, why should I, a mere mortal with limited knowledge, feel obligated to kill anyone in the hopes of saving millions?

    Doesn't god with his infinite knowledge and power have free will also? If so, it must be his free will to allow killers to live. I can only suppose he would want me to do the same. I'm just following his lead. After all, I'm created in his image and likeness.

    I won't do his dirty work for him.
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    Oct 24, 2015 7:07 PM GMT
    Isugemi saidIf Hitler had not done it, someone else would have. There was so much hate between Europeans, and so much antisemitism.
    Blaming one man only for everything that happened is a bit silly.


    well put.
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    Oct 24, 2015 7:33 PM GMT
    Isugemi saidIf Hitler had not done it, someone else would have. There was so much hate between Europeans, and so much antisemitism.
    Blaming one man only for everything that happened is a bit silly.


    It would be sillier to suggest Hitler's rise and leadership were merely incidental to the Holocaust and WW2. He was personally instrumental in inciting these events and acted as a charismatic centralizing figurehead throughout. They might have happened without him, but they were by no means inevitable.
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    Oct 24, 2015 8:41 PM GMT
    There was a Twilight Zone episode in which a time traveler went back to kill the baby Adolph:

    Excerpt from "Wikipedia" (Cradle of Darkness, 2002)

    ...Andrea finally manages to fulfill her plan by stealing the child and jumping into a river with it. However, a maid named Kristina follows Andrea and witnesses her jump. After failing to stop Andrea from jumping into the river, Kristina buys a homeless woman's baby and passes it off as Adolf (presumably the one known to history in the first place). Effectively, Andrea murdered an innocent child while creating Adolf Hitler.


    Love Twilight Zone, always makes you think.
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    Oct 24, 2015 8:51 PM GMT
    Isugemi saidIf Hitler had not done it, someone else would have. There was so much hate between Europeans, and so much antisemitism.
    Blaming one man only for everything that happened is a bit silly.


    I actually had the same conversation the other day, and I was kind of alone to say that I would not kill Hitler. Like you said, Jews were (and to some extent still are) extremely stigmatized along with other social groups. Hitler was an awful man, but he in no way got the way he was in a vaccuum. The right-wing extremist side was huge, remember that Hitler was elected through a democratic election.

    So yes, the atrocities would occur one way or another. Perhaps not identical, but probably just as barbaric. It kind of became a wake-up call for Europe of just how much the Jews were stigmatized in Europe. Unfortunately, other groups that were persecuted like homosexuals took a while before they got their rights and Romanians are still heavily stigmatized throughout Europe.

    I know I sound like a super-villain but people easily forget what evil looks like. Sometimes you need something incredibly awful to see what these people will do. Inb4 Watchmen villain.
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    Oct 24, 2015 9:19 PM GMT
    Buddha saidThe right-wing extremist side was huge, remember that Hitler was elected through a democratic election.

    This is a common fallacy. Hitler was not elected. The right wing extremist side was not huge.

    I forget the name of the author but I read the first 2 books of a series on the history of Germany and the Nazi party and in it he has some graphs that show how many votes the Nazi party received. There were 3 elections in a fairly short period of time. In the first and third elections the Nazis did not get a majority and I think in the second election their majority was insufficient. What propelled them into power was the burning of the Reichstag building by some crazy guy who the Nazis claimed was a Communist. At that time Russia had recently gone Communist and there was a lot of fear in Germany of it going Communist. The Nazis used this fear of Communism to convince the German President, von Hindenburg I think it was, to appoint Hitler Chancellor.

    And yes, things might have gone to shit in any event in Europe, but it's definitely not a foregone conclusion that the Holocaust would have happened without Hitler. People who believe that don't know their history.
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    Oct 24, 2015 9:21 PM GMT
    Addendum to my above post; I never understood how the government worked in Germany at the time Hitler was appointed Chancellor, but the Chancellor was the head of state and the President sounded like it was some relatively powerless figurehead position.
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    Oct 24, 2015 9:28 PM GMT
    Here's the book I referenced:

    http://www.amazon.com/Coming-Third-Reich-Richard-Evans/dp/0143034693
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    Oct 24, 2015 9:52 PM GMT
    UndercoverMan saidThen what does it say about a god (presuming you believe in one) that would allow such a person to be born to begin with?



    You do realize there is the possibility of a "God" who has none of the characteristics of the one proposed in the Bible, right?
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    Oct 24, 2015 9:57 PM GMT
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    Buddha saidThe right-wing extremist side was huge, remember that Hitler was elected through a democratic election.

    This is a common fallacy. Hitler was not elected. The right wing extremist side was not huge.

    I forget the name of the author but I read the first 2 books of a series on the history of Germany and the Nazi party and in it he has some graphs that show how many votes the Nazi party received. There were 3 elections in a fairly short period of time. In the first and third elections the Nazis did not get a majority and I think in the second election their majority was insufficient. What propelled them into power was the burning of the Reichstag building by some crazy guy who the Nazis claimed was a Communist. At that time Russia had recently gone Communist and there was a lot of fear in Germany of it going Communist. The Nazis used this fear of Communism to convince the German President, von Hindenburg I think it was, to appoint Hitler Chancellor.

    And yes, things might have gone to shit in any event in Europe, but it's definitely not a foregone conclusion that the Holocaust would have happened without Hitler. People who believe that don't know their history.


    I might have been a bit unclear: the nazi party didn't really come into power at first through a majority. From what I understand, the left party was about to go in a coalition with the communists to get a majority, which pushed the right/liberal/conservative party to go in coalition with the nazis to make their majority.

    I might be a bit confused on the latter though, Hitler was the leader of NSDAP since 1921, and they were the party who finally got majority 1933 (33%).
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    Oct 24, 2015 10:06 PM GMT
    Well if you read the Torah or old testiment lithe worse is yet to come
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    Oct 24, 2015 11:19 PM GMT
    Addressing the original question, death needn't be the only option. You could cut out the baby's tongue. If you wanted to be really sure you could further mutilate the baby; cut out its eyes, cut off its hands and feet, etc.
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    Oct 24, 2015 11:50 PM GMT
    DefensiveEnd saidTrending on Twitter:
    If you could go back in time, would you kill baby Hitler?
    If Hitler was unborn I could kick Hitler's mother in the stomach no problem. But I couldn't kill a baby even if he grew up to be Hitler. (My favorite answer though was the woman who said "If I was on a long flight and baby Hitler was crying nonstop....")
    http://heavy.com/social/2015/10/baby-hitler-best-tweets-funny-nyt-poll-survey-answers-twitter/


    Hitler was one of the most laziest individuals to have ever lead a country, and with the exception of the war effort, essentially DID NOT INTERFERE with the operation of the Nazi state. You can essentially blame other things and people for something like the Holocaust.
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    Oct 25, 2015 12:58 AM GMT
    Lumpyoatmeal said
    Buddha said



    it's definitely not a foregone conclusion that the Holocaust would have happened without Hitler.


    If you believe Netanyaho (interesting name - he is somewhat of a Yahoo), the holocaust occurred because the Arabs in Palestine convinced the Germans to do it, and if that's the case, they supposedly would have talked other German leaders into doing it if Hitler weren't around. (And with leaders like that in Israel, there will never be peace there.)