Gay for Pay BS.

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    Oct 29, 2015 1:07 PM GMT
    Personally, my opinion is already made and won't be changed. I just want to see what everyone else thinks because this has been bothering me for a while now. Especially when someone comments on a porn scene and says, "I know that guy is straight but.... blah blah". BS.

    Does anyone else on here really think it is possible for these "gay for pay," porn stars to keep claiming straight? I do not care what money is involved, how can anyone possibly go take a dick up the ass or fuck a dude in the ass and still say this dumb shit? I mean, no amount of money could get me hard for a women. My gag reflex is not powerful enough for that. Or, are these guys just able to be that disconnected? (nah)

    My best friend in the navy kept saying the same thing until I fucked him. He finally accepts the truth now. Hahaha, he wasn't the first either.... I love turning "straight guys".
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    Oct 29, 2015 3:21 PM GMT
    ever hear of the Kinsey scale
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    Oct 29, 2015 8:41 PM GMT
    Read my profile where I have my theory about this.

    I used to feel the same way you do but changed after reading some stuff.

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    Oct 30, 2015 12:10 AM GMT
    Hmmm, I thought my topic would spark more interest than this. At least more interest than the normal unintelligible ignorant shit on here but, I guess not. And no ur profile changes nothing. Seriously? U want to justify people being able to play with themselves as making them gay? That is fucked up and sick in so many ways I have no words for it. Ur profile changes nothing.


    It is actually going to do the opposite. I am so sick and tired of all this dumb fucking bullshit. I mean... Jesus....just fuck. Fuck all this gray shit. U can't fuck the same sex and claim it as something else. W/e idc. I'm done with that and all the dumb bitches on this site. Why should I care about what someone halfway across the world thinks. Enjoy being dumb confused bitches. I'm moving on. I don't know if my messages get saved after this but, I am immediately deleting my account after this. I'm tired of it and it makes me sick.
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    Oct 30, 2015 12:39 AM GMT
    lol weird thing to get angry over...
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    Oct 30, 2015 4:38 AM GMT
    I think it's possible.

    On the flip side, I personally know someone who's not at all attracted to women, but got married to one and has 4 kids (because of old traditional values). He's been married for over 40 years despite being attracted exclusively to men.

    So if a gay guy can live a straight life (yes extremely difficult), why wouldn't a straight guy be able to pretend to be gay just on camera? I've seen the behind-the-scene where they have to play straight porn or girl-on-girl porn to get these actors aroused while having sex with men.
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    Oct 30, 2015 1:11 PM GMT
    I think men in general are just horny, sex crazed creatures.

    I know some guys are more comfortable in their sexuality, and more guys show a lot more exhibitionist qualities than others.

    With gay for pay, lots of guys have bodybuilding supplements to pay for, gym equipment, money to travel to body building competitions.

    Even out of the bodybuilding community, ordinary guys have bills to pay, child support bills to pay off, some guys are drug addicts looking to get their fix, some guys are drifters or vagabonds who need money.

    So I do understand why some guys do gay for pay.

    Then I agree with you in some regards. There are some guys that are just straight up gay and need to be honest with themselves.
  • SilverRRCloud

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    Oct 31, 2015 4:38 AM GMT
    Defining 'str8' has to do very much with the prevailing cultural traits in your societal environment.

    If the prevailing attitude states that you are str8 because you are sexually attracted to the members of opposite sex, you can have sex with the people of the same sex in exchange for money or other tangible benefits because this does touch your definition of being str8 in any way.

    Many societies define being str8 as consciously refusing to have sex with the people of the same sex. If this is the definition of being str8 you adhere to, gay4pay is not an option.

    Life, however, does not lend itself to societal definitions. Enters the situational homosexuality in men, and quite a few men realize that homosexuality remains at least a latent option. Once a guy realizes that this is the case, a gay4pay becomes yet another option simply because the situation he may be in turns out be easily resolvable by agreeing to having a sex with another guy.

    It does not take a lot for a guy who honestly perceives himself as being str8 to start occasionally playing for the other team if he had done this before while being denied easy access to the available females. Once you feel somewhat comfortable with the mechanics of it, and agreed to it under the usual conditions of situational homosexuality, you may be relatively easily pliable to repeat the same pattern of behavior if the situation you find yourself now in requires that you do the same again.

    Say, you broke the 'NO to the same sex play taboo' while at college, in the military, etc.. Now, you find yourself in a situation that may be easily resolved if you took the same course of action, so that you can now pay your bills, get yourself out of trouble, or receive tangible benefits. Under such circumstances, a few dudes (not EVERY guy out there) will take the easy way out. Society, you or I may or may not call him a hoe, a prostitute or whatever else we choose to, but that won't change much. He got what he wanted once or twice before. He sees no reason not to get this again using the same pattern of behavior.

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  • Buddha

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    Oct 31, 2015 10:54 AM GMT
    I'll start off by saying that yes, I think even some actors have come out to say that most of it is just fake because gay men seem to like that concept more.

    Apart from people being somewhere on the Kinsley-scale but identifying as something else, I do think that money can be an important factor. If you were in the dire for money, are you saying you wouldn't fuck a woman for cash?
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    Oct 31, 2015 11:36 AM GMT
    Most of those M2M pornstars needed the guide of straight porns. No need to get angry over it: you get what you want to see, they get their money. It's hilarious how some of them are homophobic, and are making money by servicing the eyes of gay men.

    Oh have I mentioned? Most homophobe are gay guys in closet, self-loathing gay to be accurate. icon_wink.gif
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    Oct 31, 2015 2:50 PM GMT
    Gay for pay porn actors get paid much more than straight porn actors. That can be a factor too.
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    Oct 31, 2015 6:38 PM GMT
    I'm amused to find out that my essay on sexual flexibility was able to drive someone to close their realjock account.   icon_rolleyes.gif
  • cacaracol01

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    Oct 31, 2015 6:45 PM GMT
    hahahaha thats funny...I sure believe in Gay for Pay...money can make me do just about anything!!! haha
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    Nov 01, 2015 2:33 PM GMT
    polfsky saidGay for pay porn actors get paid much more than straight porn actors. That can be a factor too.


    That is not fucking true at all.

    Porn, especially when you're first starting pays really crappy regardless. Straight porn, gay porn, pregnant woman porn, kink porn, none if it pays well.

    Yeah it's a big sum of money, but it's not good pay.

    Unless you are being requested by other stars, centerfolding or making the cover of films, have your own wikipedia page, and are a household name in the porn community, you're making maybe less than three hundred dollars a scene or movie.

    I will say that it's easier for a guy to get booked and contracted doing gay porn rather than straight. Straight porn is 95% casted and recruited towards women. In straight porn you never see a guy on the cover, and if you see a guy, all you see is his genitalia. You never see his face. Men in straight porn are a non factor usually. Usually the guys in straight porn performing in scenes are the producers and directors and camera men. So that leaves no jobs for guys who want to do straight porn. So they turn to gay porn.

    I would assume that gay porn actually pays less as it is bought less. But it is easier for a guy to get booked a job on gay porn so I guess in a sense they are being bad more in that regard.
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    Nov 01, 2015 2:54 PM GMT
    Boaxy said
    polfsky saidGay for pay porn actors get paid much more than straight porn actors. That can be a factor too.


    That is not fucking true at all.

    Porn, especially when you're first starting pays really crappy regardless. Straight porn, gay porn, pregnant woman porn, kink porn, none if it pays well.

    Yeah it's a big sum of money, but it's not good pay.

    Unless you are being requested by other stars, centerfolding or making the cover of films, have your own wikipedia page, and are a household name in the porn community, you're making maybe less than three hundred dollars a scene or movie.

    I will say that it's easier for a guy to get booked and contracted doing gay porn rather than straight. Straight porn is 95% casted and recruited towards women. In straight porn you never see a guy on the cover, and if you see a guy, all you see is his genitalia. You never see his face. Men in straight porn are a non factor usually. Usually the guys in straight porn performing in scenes are the producers and directors and camera men. So that leaves no jobs for guys who want to do straight porn. So they turn to gay porn.

    I would assume that gay porn actually pays less as it is bought less. But it is easier for a guy to get booked a job on gay porn so I guess in a sense they are being bad more in that regard.


    Actually, if done research on this and Gay porn actually way way way more than straight porn for men! I think I read somewhere that a typical scene in straight porn, a guy can get anywhere form 250 to 500 and in gay porn anywhere form 1k to 2k a scene. Just saying...Im no expert though. haha
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    Nov 03, 2015 2:27 PM GMT
    I am very aware of the Kinsey Scale of sexuality 1 exclusively heterosexual and 6 being exclusively homosexual 3 effectively non exclusive to either and fully bi-sexual. I am also aware that people who are (1, 3, 6) were recorded as being very few in number and 2 being the most common almost exclusively heterosexual followed by (4 & 5) rated persons who generally identify as homosexual.

    Despite the afore mentioned, I do not believe that the porn actors appearing in Man2man action despite claiming to be str8 identifying men, are anything but (3) Bi-Sexual and in some cases closeted and mainly homosexual in their behaviour.

    I am referring to behaviour (regarding choice of which gender to have sex with) of which is difficult to accurately tabulate. I know a few current/recently ceases performing in gay porn who 6 on the Kinsey sexualuty analysis, yet they are in a number of "str8 guys" porn films.

    The real Truth is ,its all a fantasy for Gay:Bi-Sexual men to pay for porn by providing a visual medium of something less attainable as s real life experimence or completely unattainable in their real lives. We all have out r 'type' of guy which turns us on the most, as is our right as humans.

    What is most concerning, is the insidious nature of the way the porn industry is being followed as a medium for developing our sexuality, particularly for young men and older men coming out. In most cases this tendency for Gay men to want to sleep with men who identify as str8, which has given rise to the awful term "str8 acting", which had effectively left gay men who do not fit the 'Porn Led' phenomenon. I don't discount a small number are effectively Gay4pay, but no where near as many as we see on our TV or computer screens.

    As does happen with many peoples who are a minority, openly Gay/bi-sexual men are fantasying about the majority power holders in society (Hererosexual men. Many men do not live up to this aspiration to the 'idealism of hyper masculinity', of which the gay4pay phenomenon has its roots and its leading to problematic sexual/relationship lives for many gay men and it's reflective of poor self-esteem among many gay men. I am aware of the large minority (reference eg,30-49%) of Gay men who struggle to adhere to this ideal of whom MH and substance misuse issues have become common place.
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    Nov 03, 2015 3:15 PM GMT
    I once saw a cable TV program about the porn video industry. One segment dealt with straights who did gay sex scenes, mainly men.

    (Straight women do lesbian scenes routinely, and straight guys seem to find watching that hot, a staple of their porn. I find it very unappealing and look away. But that kind of gay action is OK with the same straight guys who bash gay men. It seems gay is only really bad when it involves 2 men, and 2 women who aren't interested in performing for straight men. I'm not sure what kind of standard you call that. Perverted, possibly)

    Anyway, this one straight porn actor the program featured was married. And when he did gay scenes, including anal, his wife was on the set off camera. I can't remember if she was a porn actor herself.

    But she was cool with watching her husband fucking and sucking guys. They both claimed he was totally straight, just doing it for the money, that was better than most straight porn, and he was great in bed at home.

    Was he really bi? I have no way of knowing. They both claimed he was 100% straight, just working hard for the money. (Terrible pun icon_redface.gif )
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    Nov 03, 2015 10:52 PM GMT
    Money is boner-inducing. The only question is how much money it would take for someone to get an erection.