Are you capable of empathy for people you strongly disagree with or fear at work or in your network?

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    Nov 01, 2015 3:06 PM GMT
    If a person/persons bother you and something bad happens to them, do you find yourself in the camp of "that's how karma works"? Do you feel indifferent? Or do you feel a little bad for them or even think that you should feel bad?
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    Nov 01, 2015 4:01 PM GMT
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    Karma to me is a matter of cause and effect (how do we respond to what's happening) not a matter of superstitious justice (that something is happening because of such and such).

    So while I might get a sense of poetic justice that someone seems to have "gotten what was coming them" I don't consider that karma.

    Nor is my compassion controlled by my sense of poetic justice, though I may have other principles overriding my interferences.

    For instance, I might see someone suffering and I might initiate action to reduce their suffering. Someone is so hungry that they are sickly, so maybe I give them my lunch. But also I might see someone else suffering and conclude, still with as much compassion, that they need to get out of that situation on their own or they'll just wind up in it again, maybe I'll keep my lunch but give that hungry person a few dollars and let him work out the budgeting issues for himself.

    I always feel badly for people when bad things happen to them, but that doesn't mean that when it happens to a douchebag that it might not give me a little smirk. That is not a reduction of empathy. It's an addition of humor.
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    Nov 01, 2015 4:13 PM GMT
    Indifference. Why feel anything for someone that I'm not on good terms with? I think that energy is better invested elsewhere.
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    Nov 01, 2015 4:53 PM GMT
    i am capable of empathy after I will rage and let it all out and then when I have said and done everything I wanted I can move on, the question is though, is the other person ready or is stuck in that moment and not capable of moving on icon_lol.gif

    i don't think it has to do anything with empathy
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    Nov 01, 2015 5:06 PM GMT
    Depends on my level of distain. I am human after all.
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    Nov 01, 2015 6:16 PM GMT
    If I hear someone say "karma is a bitch" about another person, that usually tells me the person saying it is demonstrating their hatred.

    Example - if something awful happens to Kim Davis, how many people who disagree with her will actually feel sorry for her? Probably not much!
  • SilverRRCloud

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    Nov 01, 2015 7:23 PM GMT
    The truth is that very, very few people around me deserve any significant level of empathy. They know this. I know this. No one expects it. Hardly anyone gets it.

    If a grown up dude cannot get his act together, chances are that very few other guys will come to his rescue.

    We have been practicing shrugging with our shoulders for a long time now. So, no wonder, we are pretty good at it.

    All the guys I know are well into the 6 figure annual income or more to significantly more. If they cannot fend off for themselves, who can?

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  • charlitos666

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    Nov 01, 2015 10:46 PM GMT
    Of course. If you think of other people's actions as a result of prior causes, it becomes hard to blame them.
  • SilverRRCloud

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    Nov 02, 2015 3:16 AM GMT
    MuchMoreThanMuscle said
    SilverRRCloud saidThe truth is that very, very few people around me deserve any significant level of empathy. They know this. I know this. No one expects it. Hardly anyone gets it.

    If a grown up dude cannot get his act together, chances are that very few other guys will come to his rescue.

    We have been practicing shrugging with our shoulders for a long time now. So, no wonder, we are pretty good at it.

    All the guys I know are well into the 6 figure annual income or more to significantly more. If they cannot fend off for themselves, who can?

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    With all due respect, I'm left wondering if you're able to look at the big(ger) picture of misfortune.

    A grown dude cannot get his act together? The question was very vague as far as something bad happening to someone. What if someone you didn't get along got into a disfiguring car accident and/or became wheelchair bound or paralyzed? Or someone you know but strongly didn't like developed ALS (Lou Gehrig's disease) and you watched this person deteriorate until the fatal end?

    There are many problems that all the money in the world cannot fix.


    True. There are problems in life that all the money in the world cannot resolve. Unfortunately, I do not know anyone who will seriously get involved at helping anyone else under the circumstances you have described at the expense of his own life/career. If you honestly do - more power to you!

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    Nov 02, 2015 3:30 PM GMT
    Nope. I hit a jaywalker who was running across a street with a 30' deep drainage channel in the middle. To this day I tell the story like a stand-up routine. I have no time to feel sorry for stupid people who do stupid things and suffer the consequences. Conversely, I don't expect anyone to mollycoddle me if I manage to screw anything up either.

    I am, however, VERY capable of both sympathy and empathy. I simply reserve them to people who deserve them.
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    Nov 02, 2015 4:01 PM GMT
    "Are you capable of empathy for people you strongly disagree with or fear at work or in your network?"

    ONLY if I witness them (or hear firsthand from them) enduring some painful emotional experience that I have had similar personal exposure to.
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    Nov 02, 2015 8:43 PM GMT
    It depends on the context of what happened to them. And depends on if I really hate the person or not, but usually I don't wish very tragic bad things happen to anyone but you can't control life. If it's a co-worker or he/she's being too emotional/needy at work, then it might cause a problem with team work.
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    Nov 03, 2015 1:07 AM GMT
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  • BloodFlame

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    Nov 03, 2015 4:21 AM GMT
    It really depends on the person. If the person harmed me in such a horrible way, I think I'd feel indifference. But really, no one has been that cruel to me yet.

    But I'd like to hope that I'd feel some empathy. I mean, when my Grandma died, at the time I felt a little numb because she was very mean when I was growing up so I didn't have the best memory of her. But after a few days, I did feel some empathy.
  • Unnamed6

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    Nov 04, 2015 1:37 AM GMT
    woodfordr saidIf a person/persons bother you and something bad happens to them, do you find yourself in the camp of "that's how karma works"? Do you feel indifferent? Or do you feel a little bad for them or even think that you should feel bad?


    For every person that I meet, I feel the person the way in which they love and hate themselves, and this happens in spite of whatever prior knowledge I have of them. It's difficult to turn off. And my sense of self is loss when I am with another person and their needs and feelings are prioritized at my own expense.
  • Noeton

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    Nov 05, 2015 1:01 AM GMT
    The biggest baddies I've known, no, I'd not wish them any suffering. If their own horrible ways lead them to disaster, then I won't be unhappy and I might gloat a bit. But if they suffer for some other reason, then I would sympathize. For instance if someone is a total and evil liar but a very safe driver and then gets in a car crash... in that kind of case I'd be sympathetic. Will they eventually roast in the afterlife? I don't know, but if they will, then I can't argue with that.
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    Nov 05, 2015 10:10 PM GMT
    Noeton said...For instance if someone is a total and evil liar ... Will they eventually roast in the afterlife? I don't know, but if they will, then I can't argue with that.


    What if they were born that way, such as, say, a pathological liar might be?

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2376803/
    We examined white matter volumes in four prefrontal subregions using structural magnetic resonance imaging in 10 pathological liars, 14 antisocial controls, and 20 normal controls. Liars showed a relatively widespread increase in white matter (23–36%) in orbitofrontal, middle and inferior, but not superior, frontal gyri compared with antisocial and normal controls. This white matter increase may predispose some individuals to pathological lying.


    http://www.news-medical.net/news/2005/10/18/13840.aspx
    Pathological liars found to have less gray matter

    According to the latest research pathological liars may have structural abnormalities in their brains.

    In a new study Dr. Adrian Raine and Yaling Yang of the University of Southern California, and colleagues found that individuals who habitually lied and cheated had less gray matter and more white matter in their prefrontal cortex than normal people.


    Does God judge that too?