A Mass Migration Crisis, and It May Yet Get Worse

  • metta

    Posts: 39134

    Nov 01, 2015 3:58 PM GMT
    A Mass Migration Crisis, and It May Yet Get Worse


    http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/a-mass-migration-crisis-and-it-may-yet-get-worse/ar-BBmFinX
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Nov 01, 2015 4:07 PM GMT

    “Islam is coming to take over Germany whether you want it or not…not through war but by the fact that Germans don’t reproduce and Muslims have 7-8 children each…but not only that, your daughters will marry bearded Muslims and wear the hijab, their sons will wear a beard! The Muslims will have four wives and 27 children and what does the German man have? One child and maybe a little pet dog! The German has taken advantage of the Muslim for too long, just so he can drive his Mercedes… now Islam is coming and your daughters will wear the hijab! Ha! I can see the look of hate in your eyes!”


  • tj85016

    Posts: 4123

    Nov 01, 2015 9:28 PM GMT
    Gun sales in Austria and the Czech Republic are going through the roof (with many buyers being women). The British press has covered it quite a bit.
  • FRE0

    Posts: 4865

    Nov 01, 2015 10:32 PM GMT
    freedomisntfree said
    “Islam is coming to take over Germany whether you want it or not…not through war but by the fact that Germans don’t reproduce and Muslims have 7-8 children each…but not only that, your daughters will marry bearded Muslims and wear the hijab, their sons will wear a beard! The Muslims will have four wives and 27 children and what does the German man have? One child and maybe a little pet dog! The German has taken advantage of the Muslim for too long, just so he can drive his Mercedes… now Islam is coming and your daughters will wear the hijab! Ha! I can see the look of hate in your eyes!”



    The Muslims I've known have had much smaller families than that, usually two or three children, and the women have not worn the hijab.
  • ursa_minor

    Posts: 566

    Nov 01, 2015 10:48 PM GMT
    well I live in Europe and I do see this becoming true. Belgians, wanting to have less carbon footprint and not contribute to the staggering world population have decided to have just 1 or 2 kids (or even none at all, or even adopt from 3rd world countries).

    and true enough, the Eastern-Europe, North-African and Middle-eastern immigrants take advantage of the money the gov't gives them -- by the 4th child, the money is enough such that they don't need to work anymore.

    ain't that nice.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Nov 01, 2015 10:50 PM GMT
    Its all a political strategy to create tensions in Europe...divide and rule is still very much happening till this day. Intelligent europeans know all this very well, the ignorant europeans are mostly uneducated people ...and europe is very divided in opinion, EU is not like Usa at all. Americans can be rather robotic people who believe everything their media tells them...its not that easy to fool educated people in Europe, in general europeans are smarter. And most muslims in Eu are well integrated in society with 1-2 kids and living normal lives. Usa has much worse problems than europe....biggest one being "ignorance" and its quite obvious just by looking at the posts on this forum.

    And no I am not a muslim, its just stupid to see such grown up people here making ignorant statements about the immigration crises in Eu...for gods sake europe has only 500 million people and lots of empty space, muslims have always been going to europe throughout history and mixing with other cultures...get over it.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Nov 01, 2015 10:57 PM GMT
    ursa_minor saidwell I live in Europe and I do see this becoming true. Belgians, wanting to have less carbon footprint and not contribute to the staggering world population have decided to have just 1 or 2 kids (or even none at all, or even adopt from 3rd world countries).

    and true enough, the Eastern-Europe, North-African and Middle-eastern immigrants take advantage of the money the gov't gives them -- by the 4th child, the money is enough such that they don't need to work anymore.

    ain't that nice.


    How true...and asians wud just do anything to get a white cock.......isnt it? I get so many messages from asian guys asking "hello...where u PHOM"?
  • Kazachok

    Posts: 415

    Nov 02, 2015 12:09 AM GMT
    ursa_minor saidwell I live in Europe and I do see this becoming true. Belgians, wanting to have less carbon footprint and not contribute to the staggering world population have decided to have just 1 or 2 kids (or even none at all, or even adopt from 3rd world countries).

    and true enough, the Eastern-Europe, North-African and Middle-eastern immigrants take advantage of the money the gov't gives them -- by the 4th child, the money is enough such that they don't need to work anymore.

    ain't that nice.


    Excuse me, Eastern Europeans come to Western Europe to work their asses off, and look down their noses at people who expect handouts.

    Don not compare us to Africans and Middle Eastern people. Ever.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Nov 02, 2015 12:13 AM GMT
    Londonfit saidIts all a political strategy to create tensions in Europe...divide and rule is still very much happening till this day. Intelligent europeans know all this very well, the ignorant europeans are mostly uneducated people ...and europe is very divided in opinion, EU is not like Usa at all. Americans can be rather robotic people who believe everything their media tells them...its not that easy to fool educated people in Europe, in general europeans are smarter. And most muslims in Eu are well integrated in society with 1-2 kids and living normal lives. Usa has much worse problems than europe....biggest one being "ignorance" and its quite obvious just by looking at the posts on this forum.

    And no I am not a muslim, its just stupid to see such grown up people here making ignorant statements about the immigration crises in Eu...for gods sake europe has only 500 million people and lots of empty space, muslims have always been going to europe throughout history and mixing with other cultures...get over it.


    "get over it"

    Hope you can!
  • jjguy05

    Posts: 459

    Nov 02, 2015 2:39 AM GMT
    ursa_minor saidwell I live in Europe and I do see this becoming true. Belgians, wanting to have less carbon footprint and not contribute to the staggering world population have decided to have just 1 or 2 kids (or even none at all, or even adopt from 3rd world countries).


    Belgians, like all Europeans, are having fewer children for a variety of reasons, from the high cost of living in Europe to today's generation putting off marriage for a while. It's got nothing to do with Belgians' concern for their carbon footprint.

    Birth rates also tend to drop as a society becomes more industrialized and urbanized; the same trend is happening in East Asia and Latin America.

    ursa_minor said
    and true enough, the Eastern-Europe, North-African and Middle-eastern immigrants take advantage of the money the gov't gives them -- by the 4th child, the money is enough such that they don't need to work anymore.

    ain't that nice.


    Eastern Europeans have even fewer kids than Western Europeans.

    Living in Europe for a couple weeks hasn't made you very knowledgeable about the place.
  • JackNNJ

    Posts: 1051

    Nov 02, 2015 2:40 AM GMT
    Climate refugees, natch.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Nov 02, 2015 2:49 AM GMT
    FRE0 said
    freedomisntfree said
    “Islam is coming to take over Germany whether you want it or not…not through war but by the fact that Germans don’t reproduce and Muslims have 7-8 children each…but not only that, your daughters will marry bearded Muslims and wear the hijab, their sons will wear a beard! The Muslims will have four wives and 27 children and what does the German man have? One child and maybe a little pet dog! The German has taken advantage of the Muslim for too long, just so he can drive his Mercedes… now Islam is coming and your daughters will wear the hijab! Ha! I can see the look of hate in your eyes!”



    The Muslims I've known have had much smaller families than that, usually two or three children, and the women have not worn the hijab.


    The ones I have known sure have't had 27, but have had five or six and the females do wear the hijab.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Nov 02, 2015 4:26 AM GMT
    theantijock%20engage%20stalker%20reducti

    Londonfit said...Americans can be rather robotic people who believe everything their media tells them...its not that easy to fool educated people in Europe, in general europeans are smarter. And most muslims in Eu are well integrated in society with 1-2 kids and living normal lives. Usa has much worse problems than europe....biggest one being "ignorance" and its quite obvious just by looking at the posts on this forum...

    speaking of which...

    http://www.ttu.ee/public/m/mart-murdvee/EconPsy/2/Lynn_Meisenberg_2010_National_IQs_calculated_and_validated_for_108_nations.pdf
    country IQ............(my add: population size)
    Iceland 101....................323,002
    Switzerland 101...............8.081 million
    Austria 100...................8.474 million
    Liechtenstein 100.............36,925
    Luxembourg 100................543,202
    Netherlands 100...............16.8 million
    Norway 100....................5.084 million
    Croatia 99....................4.253 million
    Estonia 99....................1.325 million
    Finland 99....................5.439 million
    Germany 99....................80,219,695
    Sweden 99.....................9.593 million
    subtotal population..........140.17 million

    USA 98...................318.9 million

    Czech Republic 98.............10.52 million
    Denmark 98....................5.614 million
    France 98.....................66.03 million
    Latvia 98.....................2.013 million
    Spain 98......................46.77 million
    (same IQ as USA, left out of pop percentages below*)

    Hungary 97....................9.897 million
    Italy 97......................59.83 million
    Malta 97......................423,282
    Russia 97.....................143.5 million
    Moldova 96....................3.559 million
    Slovakia 96...................5.414 million
    Slovenia 96...................2.06 million
    Poland 95.....................38.53 million
    Portugal 95...................10.46 million
    Ukraine 95....................45.49 million
    Bosnia 94.....................3.829 million
    Georgia 94....................4.477 million
    Kazakhstan 94.................17.04 million
    Bulgaria 93...................7.265 million
    Armenia 92....................2.977 million
    Greece 92.....................11.03 million
    Ireland 92....................4.595 million
    Macedonia 91..................2.107 million
    Cyprus 91.....................1.141 million
    Lithuania 91..................2.956 million
    Romania 91....................19.96 million
    Turkey 90.....................74.93 million
    Serbia and Montenegro 89......7.164 million + 621,383

    subtotal 473.2 million below 98 IQ


    So out of 613.4 million Europeans (*not counting countries that came in at USA's #) USA IQ measured higher than 77% of Europe.

    And if you now think we're smart, just wait until you meet our Jewish cousins, the Asians.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Nov 02, 2015 8:37 AM GMT
    theantijock saidtheantijock%20engage%20stalker%20reducti

    Londonfit said...Americans can be rather robotic people who believe everything their media tells them...its not that easy to fool educated people in Europe, in general europeans are smarter. And most muslims in Eu are well integrated in society with 1-2 kids and living normal lives. Usa has much worse problems than europe....biggest one being "ignorance" and its quite obvious just by looking at the posts on this forum...

    speaking of which...

    http://www.ttu.ee/public/m/mart-murdvee/EconPsy/2/Lynn_Meisenberg_2010_National_IQs_calculated_and_validated_for_108_nations.pdf
    country IQ............(my add: population size)
    Iceland 101....................323,002
    Switzerland 101...............8.081 million
    Austria 100...................8.474 million
    Liechtenstein 100.............36,925
    Luxembourg 100................543,202
    Netherlands 100...............16.8 million
    Norway 100....................5.084 million
    Croatia 99....................4.253 million
    Estonia 99....................1.325 million
    Finland 99....................5.439 million
    Germany 99....................80,219,695
    Sweden 99.....................9.593 million
    subtotal population..........140.17 million

    USA 98...................318.9 million

    Czech Republic 98.............10.52 million
    Denmark 98....................5.614 million
    France 98.....................66.03 million
    Latvia 98.....................2.013 million
    Spain 98......................46.77 million
    (same IQ as USA, left out of pop percentages below*)

    Hungary 97....................9.897 million
    Italy 97......................59.83 million
    Malta 97......................423,282
    Russia 97.....................143.5 million
    Moldova 96....................3.559 million
    Slovakia 96...................5.414 million
    Slovenia 96...................2.06 million
    Poland 95.....................38.53 million
    Portugal 95...................10.46 million
    Ukraine 95....................45.49 million
    Bosnia 94.....................3.829 million
    Georgia 94....................4.477 million
    Kazakhstan 94.................17.04 million
    Bulgaria 93...................7.265 million
    Armenia 92....................2.977 million
    Greece 92.....................11.03 million
    Ireland 92....................4.595 million
    Macedonia 91..................2.107 million
    Cyprus 91.....................1.141 million
    Lithuania 91..................2.956 million
    Romania 91....................19.96 million
    Turkey 90.....................74.93 million
    Serbia and Montenegro 89......7.164 million + 621,383

    subtotal 473.2 million below 98 IQ


    So out of 613.4 million Europeans (*not counting countries that came in at USA's #) USA IQ measured higher than 77% of Europe.

    And if you now think we're smart, just wait until you meet our Jewish cousins, the Asians.



    IQ has nothing to do with ignorance, lack of culture and insularity. Americans are too brainwashed to understand any of this. Only 1% of the top wealthiest upper class Americans are intelligent, cultured and worldly pepople, the rest are just what they are. Its not the fault of Americans though, the system is such that it keeps people dumb, even US education system is quite bad in my opinion, its geared more towards greed and money rather than intellect or culture. And really Americans should stop worrying about immigration issues in Europe...worry about your own issues first like the ridiculous gun laws, school killings, trash addicted society, obesity, awful medical system, lack of a future direction, no safety and security left anymore....Usa has higher homicide rates than many third world countries, and your racial problems are a whole other level of nonsense...so dont worry about europe, life in europe is still cleaner, safer and cultured and its really no different than what it has always been, no one is perfectly happy anywhere in the world but i really think that Europe's problems are miniscule compared to the problems in USA.
  • roadbikeRob

    Posts: 14354

    Nov 02, 2015 1:25 PM GMT
    ursa_minor saidwell I live in Europe and I do see this becoming true. Belgians, wanting to have less carbon footprint and not contribute to the staggering world population have decided to have just 1 or 2 kids (or even none at all, or even adopt from 3rd world countries).

    and true enough, the Eastern-Europe, North-African and Middle-eastern immigrants take advantage of the money the gov't gives them -- by the 4th child, the money is enough such that they don't need to work anymore.

    ain't that nice.
    I am all for helping people out but the social programs in many European countries are way too generous. This is what is causing the serious financial problems. Too much of a good thing eventually makes it very bad and the consequences are harsh and costly.
  • Buddha

    Posts: 1767

    Nov 02, 2015 1:27 PM GMT
    Regarding 'muslims taking over Europe':

    "In 2008, women born in Sweden with Swedish parents had 1.86 children on average, while women born outside Sweden had 2.2 children on average. Women born in Sweden but with parents born outside Sweden had an average of 1.68 children"

    (translated from http://www.migrationsinfo.se/demografi/befolkningstillvaxt/)
  • FitBlackCuddl...

    Posts: 802

    Nov 02, 2015 3:56 PM GMT
    Londonfit saidAnd no I am not a muslim, its just stupid to see such grown up people here making ignorant statements about the immigration crises in Eu...for gods sake europe has only 500 million people and lots of empty space, muslims have always been going to europe throughout history and mixing with other cultures...get over it.


    I have friends in Germany who tell me that this refugee process is a COMPLETE NIGHTMARE for the Europeans. The would-be refugees are especially targeting Germany and Sweden because these countries offer the most money, with Germany offering the most. But Germany is so small and already has its domestic problems. Having millions of Syrians flooding the land, many overtly bringing their hostilities with them, has caused HUGE financial and logistic problems. There just isn't anywhere to put them.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Nov 02, 2015 4:18 PM GMT
    Londonfit said... the ignorant europeans are mostly uneducated people ... Usa has much worse problems than europe....biggest one being "ignorance" and its quite obvious just by looking at the posts on this forum.


    Brilliant. And your post proves your closing remark completely. icon_rolleyes.gif

    Ferdinand and Isabella got it right, Europe, and you'd better, too, before Islam gets rid of you!
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Nov 02, 2015 5:21 PM GMT
    Londonfit saidIQ has nothing to do with ignorance, lack of culture and insularity. Americans are too brainwashed to understand any of this. Only 1% of the top wealthiest upper class Americans are intelligent, cultured and worldly pepople, the rest are just what they are. Its not the fault of Americans though, the system is such that it keeps people dumb, even US education system is quite bad in my opinion, its geared more towards greed and money rather than intellect or culture. And really Americans should stop worrying about immigration issues in Europe...worry about your own issues first like the ridiculous gun laws, school killings, trash addicted society, obesity, awful medical system, lack of a future direction, no safety and security left anymore....Usa has higher homicide rates than many third world countries, and your racial problems are a whole other level of nonsense...so dont worry about europe, life in europe is still cleaner, safer and cultured and its really no different than what it has always been, no one is perfectly happy anywhere in the world but i really think that Europe's problems are miniscule compared to the problems in USA.

    You said "in general Europeans are smarter". Well, IQ measures smarts. So I was correct to show relative IQs which it turned out did not show what you said. It showed the opposite of what you said. The truth denies your statement.

    So now in backpedaling on your second thought, you claim it isn't our capacity but our toilet training. Let's have a look at that, shall we.

    List & populations per above post.
    Index (minus Macedonia which was not included) per
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_Index
    ...Education is a major component of well-being and is used in the measure of economic development and quality of life, which is a key factor determining whether a country is a developed, developing, or underdeveloped nation....

    ...As of March 2015, the latest data was published as part of the Human Development Report from 2014...The scoring system yields 1 as the highest possible theoretical score, indicating perfect education attainment...

    Country 2013 Edu Index.......population

    Norway 0.910....................5.084 million
    Netherlands 0.894...............16.8 million

    USA 0.890...................318.9 million

    Ireland 0.887....................4.595 million
    Germany 0.884....................80,219,695
    Lithuania 0.877..................2.956 million
    Denmark 0.873....................5.614 million
    Czech Republic 0.866.............10.52 million
    Slovenia 0.863...................2.06 million
    Estonia 0.859....................1.325 million
    Iceland 0.847....................323,002
    Switzerland 0.844...............8.081 million
    Sweden 0.830.....................9.593 million
    Poland 0.825.....................38.53 million
    France 0.816.....................66.03 million
    Finland 0.815....................5.439 million
    Latvia 0.813.....................2.013 million
    Hungary 0.805....................9.897 million
    Slovakia 0.802...................5.414 million
    Ukraine 0.796....................45.49 million
    Russia 0.780.....................143.5 million
    Cyprus 0.776.....................1.141 million
    Croatia 0.770....................4.253 million
    Greece 0.797.....................11.03 million
    Austria 0.794...................8.474 million
    Spain 0.794......................46.77 million
    Turkey 0.652.....................74.93 million
    Italy 0.790......................59.83 million
    Georgia 0.770....................4.477 million
    Kazakhstan 0.762.................17.04 million
    Liechtenstein 0.762.............36,925
    Luxembourg 0.762................543,202
    Bulgaria 0.749...................7.265 million
    Romania 0.748....................19.96 million
    Malta 0.733......................423,282
    Portugal 0.728...................10.46 million
    Armenia 0.701....................2.977 million
    Serbia & Montenegro 0.695 & 0.774...7.164 million + 621,383
    Bosnia 0.655.....................3.829 million
    Moldova 0.653....................3.559 million

    lolololol So the educational index of the USA ranks higher by population than 97% of Europe lolololol

    Now it is true that American math and science scores need to come up. But still I think in the top 30 nations in that category with everyone being blown away, again, by our Jewish cousins, the Asians.

    As to your bullshit, you said:
    "Only 1% of the top wealthiest upper class Americans are intelligent, cultured and worldly people, the rest are just what they are. It's not the fault of Americans though, the system is such that it keeps people dumb, even US education system is quite bad in my opinion, it's geared more towards greed and money rather than intellect or culture."

    So on the one hand you've just said that intelligence and culture are bestowed only upon the wealthy, but in the same breath you declare that our education is "geared more towards greed and money." What's that, brain fart logic? On the one hand you are using money to say that's the source or impetus or facilitator of intelligence and "culture" while on the other hand you blame money for lack of intelligence and culture. That's quite the level of sophisticated thinking on Euro part.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Nov 02, 2015 7:20 PM GMT
    As to your bullshit, you said:
    "Only 1% of the top wealthiest upper class Americans are intelligent, cultured and worldly people, the rest are just what they are. It's not the fault of Americans though, the system is such that it keeps people dumb, even US education system is quite bad in my opinion, it's geared more towards greed and money rather than intellect or culture."

    So on the one hand you've just said that intelligence and culture are bestowed only upon the wealthy, but in the same breath you declare that our education is "geared more towards greed and money." What's that, brain fart logic? On the one hand you are using money to say that's the source or impetus or facilitator of intelligence and "culture" while on the other hand you blame money for lack of intelligence and culture. That's quite the level of sophisticated thinking on Euro part.[/quote]

    First of all IQ tests are flawed and not a real measure of intelligence at all, I suggest you read this -

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/iq-tests-are-fundamentally-flawed-and-using-them-alone-to-measure-intelligence-is-a-fallacy-study-8425911.html

    Secondly, I said "1% of the richest" people are truly intelligent, cultured and worldly in the US, for the nouveau riche intelligence comes along after quite a few generations. Wealthy intellectuals are far and few in the US, I dont think Bill Gates is stupid, neither is Warren Buffet or even Donald Trump stupid but If you say that the top millionaire basketball players in USA are intelligent then I would laugh. I've interacted with plenty of Americans, and they have their own brainwashed idealistic view of the world that's why Americans are ridiculed in Europe and even in Asia now. And wealthy doesnt mean having a huge salary - that has nothing to do with wealth. USA as a country is fairly new and the funny part is USA has created wealth in a short span of time by attracting the best of IMMIGRANTS...and exploiting them...nothing else.
  • musclmed

    Posts: 3284

    Nov 02, 2015 7:46 PM GMT
    Londonfit said
    theantijock saidtheantijock%20engage%20stalker%20reducti


    I cant wait for the disbanding of NATO rebate to appear in my bank account.

    I am glad things are so great in Europe. Since only 5/28 Nato countries are spending as much as the Nato charter demands maybe its time to re evaluate.
    " dont think Bill Gates is stupid, neither is Warren Buffet or even Donald Trump stupid but If you say that the top millionaire basketball players in USA are intelligent then I would laughh. "
    Grandiosity is a symptom of a deep personality flaw. It is quite GRANDIOSE to pretend to know or even comment on how "stupid" or "smart" a person you do not know. Do you really know Donald Trump or Bill Gates? What information would help you form your opinion? your EUROPEAN OMNIPOTENCE? It would be whatever you learned about them through your garbage Euro-trash media and HBO reruns.

    Finally since you are so educated why not review the attitude of the Byzantines prior to Constantinople being overrun. They also thought they were too "cultured" to have any real enemies.
  • metta

    Posts: 39134

    Nov 02, 2015 7:53 PM GMT
    Why Australia has a higher percentage of foreigners than the US but less xenophobia


    http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/why-australia-has-a-higher-percentage-of-foreigners-than-the-us-but-less-xenophobia-a6718021.html
  • musclmed

    Posts: 3284

    Nov 02, 2015 8:07 PM GMT
    metta saidWhy Australia has a higher percentage of foreigners than the US but less xenophobia


    http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/why-australia-has-a-higher-percentage-of-foreigners-than-the-us-but-less-xenophobia-a6718021.html


    the article leaves out the important point. The immigration is largely LEGAL in Australia.

    Not Illegal immigration like in the US.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Nov 02, 2015 8:30 PM GMT
    Why are Americans so concerned about the immigration crises in Europe? I mean how does it affect Americans? Most Americans can never even dream of affording a trip to Europe anyway and even if they can afford it they are too intimidated and scared of the language and cultural differences ..and isnt it like 80 percent Americans dont even have a passport? I think most dont even know what a passport is - well its a travel document needed to go to other countries.

    P.s. Most white americans were illegal immigrants as well at some point in history,...remember...duhhh
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Nov 02, 2015 9:32 PM GMT
    Londonfit saidblablablablablablablablablablablabla


    yawn