Do you consider yourself one of the "Haves" or "Have Nots"?

  • JackNNJ

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    Nov 04, 2015 1:43 PM GMT
    Explain.
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    Nov 04, 2015 2:07 PM GMT
    I have everything I need and want for very little. Anything I could possibly "want" is not of a material nature.
  • SilverRRCloud

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    Nov 04, 2015 4:26 PM GMT
    The world is far more complicated than the well-known division the OP has mentioned.

    I have come across a few people who may have very little by the first world standards but are very much 'Haves', and I know a few multimillionaires who are genuine 'have nots'.

    Once your basic needs are fully met, (meaning that you have secured an income of around USD 70K p.a. for a single guy in most developed countries), you ARE by definition a 'HAVE'. Sadly, many people are acutely unaware of the realities that surround them and are still prone to sweating the small stuff, just because they are used to it, and just because they have been always doing this and cannot imagine changing anything to get out of their rut.

    The others understand that HAVES is either a positive attitude towards a specific way of life, or a life based on the fact that you see yourself as a HAVE because you can afford to live off your property and do not depend on the proceeds of your work to live, survive or both. This class distinction as defined by Lenin is still every bit as accurate as when he first expostulated this thesis in 1919.

    If you want to simplify this, use the Mae West's famous:

    'I have been poor and I have been rich. Rich is better.' Especially if you do not have to do anything about it. Being a genuine member of the leisurely class is what really makes you a 'have' very big time.

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    Nov 04, 2015 4:40 PM GMT
    bon_pan saidI have everything I need and want for very little. Anything I could possibly "want" is not of a material nature.

    Ditto. We live on very little. But live as well as we want. There's an art to living well, and it doesn't necessarily require a great deal of money. I almost shudder to think how we'd live if we DID have money. LOL!
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    Nov 04, 2015 5:24 PM GMT
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    bon_pan saidI have everything I need and want for very little. Anything I could possibly "want" is not of a material nature.

    Ditto. We live on very little. But live as well as we want. There's an art to living well, and it doesn't necessarily require a great deal of money. I almost shudder to think how we'd live if we DID have money. LOL!


    As I said to a fellow member, I'd love to drive your Rolls around the block but I'd be too afraid to own it.
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    Nov 04, 2015 6:12 PM GMT
    I am not materialistic type , so i am in the " have not" selection icon_smile.gif
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    Nov 04, 2015 6:14 PM GMT
    I only have 1 house and would like to have another one on the beachfront and another in the mountains, and other things (e.g., super hot boy toys on call). So I'd say "have not."
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    Nov 04, 2015 6:21 PM GMT
    I'm definitely a "have not", but I'm fortunate enough to know a few "haves" in my life that take care of me. My last boss was a prominent attorney where I came from and she treated my like a son. She paid for my undergrad tuition, she was the guarantor on my small business loan, she even let me live in her house (a detached portion) and drive her cars. Currently, I'm staying with a good friend in an exclusive gated community in (I'm guessing) a $3M home. I drive a fairly new car, no Benz or BMW, but I feel it was a good purchase. It certainly feels like a luxury car to me.

    I think it can be all a state of mind. I wear nice clothes (that I buy on eBay and have altered to fit me well.) I shop for deals, eat out once in a while, but live moderately frugal (my mom would disagree.) My parents and my brother send me money every month so I'm able to be a full-time student and focus on school.

    The saying, "Life is what you make of it," really does ring true if you're willing to change your outlook. There was a movie that came out a while ago of a young boy who lived in squalor, but yet imagined his life as something else and that helped him through it. Maybe I'm like that little boy. Life could suck for me if I focus on the negatives (I have no freakin' legs!), but I choose to focus on the positives. That being said, I do have my down days and I wouldn't be human if I didn't.
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    Nov 04, 2015 6:42 PM GMT
    I'm a have. Many of my tenants are have nots. Most struggle paycheck to paycheck or are on assistance.
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    Nov 04, 2015 6:47 PM GMT
    Lumpyoatmeal saidI only have 1 house and would like to have another one on the beachfront and another in the mountains, and other things (e.g., super hot boy toys on call). So I'd say "have not."

    How could I forget: I should have many more Fleshjacks and Fleshlights.

    And I must say that I find the lack of these necessities to be sorely vexing.
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    Nov 04, 2015 7:22 PM GMT
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    Nov 04, 2015 8:11 PM GMT
    have nuts icon_lol.gif
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    Nov 04, 2015 8:57 PM GMT
    Have enough.
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    Nov 04, 2015 9:45 PM GMT
    I was a have not but I've come a long way to become self sufficient. At the same time, I don't necessarily believe the "if you work hard then you get what you want" philosophy. I believe that sometimes you have to get lucky with an opportunity or assistance to make that next step.
  • Eli_jah

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    Nov 04, 2015 10:16 PM GMT
    "Have not", I guess, which in America makes one very bitter and resentful. It is VERY hard to "make it" in this country, especially if you come from nothing.
  • JackNNJ

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    Nov 04, 2015 10:57 PM GMT
    mickeytopogigio saidI'm a have. Many of my tenants are have nots. Most struggle paycheck to paycheck or are on assistance.


    Kirsten Gillibrand says you should cover their rent for them.
  • JackNNJ

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    Nov 04, 2015 11:01 PM GMT
    SilverRRCloud saidThe world is far more complicated than the well-known division the OP has mentioned.

    I have come across a few people who may have very little by the first world standards but are very much 'Haves', and I know a few multimillionaires who are genuine 'have nots'.

    Once your basic needs are fully met, (meaning that you have secured an income of around USD 70K p.a. for a single guy in most developed countries), you ARE by definition a 'HAVE'. Sadly, many people are acutely unaware of the realities that surround them and are still prone to sweating the small stuff, just because they are used to it, and just because they have been always doing this and cannot imagine changing anything to get out of their rut.

    The others understand that HAVES is either a positive attitude towards a specific way of life, or a life based on the fact that you see yourself as a HAVE because you can afford to live off your property and do not depend on the proceeds of your work to live, survive or both. This class distinction as defined by Lenin is still every bit as accurate as when he first expostulated this thesis in 1919.

    If you want to simplify this, use the Mae West's famous:

    'I have been poor and I have been rich. Rich is better.' Especially if you do not have to do anything about it. Being a genuine member of the leisurely class is what really makes you a 'have' very big time.

    SC



    Good point. Whenever white Liberal activist types reference the "the rich" vs. "less fortunate," the black and white (as it were) term "haves and have nots" works just fine.

    But then ask them where they fall on the spectrum, and they suddenly start talking about "nuance" and demand "a thoughtful discussion."
  • HndsmKansan

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    Nov 05, 2015 1:29 AM GMT
    Definitely a "have" on a number of levels...

    Education, achievement as a result of hard work.. confidence, satisfaction and a lust for the "juice of life. Love it.
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    Nov 05, 2015 1:29 AM GMT
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    bon_pan saidI have everything I need and want for very little. Anything I could possibly "want" is not of a material nature.

    Ditto. We live on very little. But live as well as we want. There's an art to living well, and it doesn't necessarily require a great deal of money. I almost shudder to think how we'd live if we DID have money. LOL!

    As I said to a fellow member, I'd love to drive your Rolls around the block but I'd be too afraid to own it.

    Ummm... our Rolls is a Ford Focus. But we just use it to run around town. Paid cash new, no payments or interest, low insurance, little gas expense, next to nothing maintenance. Let's us indulge in lots of other toys, like iPads, iPhones, and Apple Watches.

    And equipping hubby's kitchen with the best, so he can pursue his cooking passion. If we had a BMW or M-B or something similar our limited money would be tied up in that, with nothing else for these smaller excesses. That's ONE secret to the art of living well on a small income: not making yourself car poor.
  • Apparition

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    Nov 05, 2015 1:33 AM GMT
    I have a lot and not a lot, but I need some stability, as what I have didnt come from having large sums of money, just a lot of doing without enough to get the rest used or fixing what others discarded. Things seem to show up if needed usually, but I am never allowed to get comfortable it seems.
  • LJay

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    Nov 05, 2015 3:29 AM GMT
    I have enough to cover my needs,especially since I do not want to live in what a lot of people call luxury.

    I would say I am one of the luckies.
  • JackNNJ

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    Nov 05, 2015 3:32 AM GMT
    swimjammer saidI'm definitely a "have not", but I'm fortunate enough to know a few "haves" in my life that take care of me. My last boss was a prominent attorney where I came from and she treated my like a son. She paid for my undergrad tuition, she was the guarantor on my small business loan, she even let me live in her house (a detached portion) and drive her cars. Currently, I'm staying with a good friend in an exclusive gated community in (I'm guessing) a $3M home. I drive a fairly new car, no Benz or BMW, but I feel it was a good purchase. It certainly feels like a luxury car to me.

    I think it can be all a state of mind. I wear nice clothes (that I buy on eBay and have altered to fit me well.) I shop for deals, eat out once in a while, but live moderately frugal (my mom would disagree.) My parents and my brother send me money every month so I'm able to be a full-time student and focus on school.

    The saying, "Life is what you make of it," really does ring true if you're willing to change your outlook. There was a movie that came out a while ago of a young boy who lived in squalor, but yet imagined his life as something else and that helped him through it. Maybe I'm like that little boy. Life could suck for me if I focus on the negatives (I have no freakin' legs!), but I choose to focus on the positives. That being said, I do have my down days and I wouldn't be human if I didn't.


    You're not a Have, you're a Have-A-Sugar-Mama.