Gaytrification

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    Nov 04, 2015 5:56 PM GMT
    It's interesting because I work and play in Hell's Kitchen which, if you didn't know already, has become Hell's Bottom I meet gay men who are transplants from literally everywhere so I do a lot of observing in "the gay scene". Hell's Kitchen used to be one of the roughest neighborhoods in Manhattan.
    Most of the gays come running here are from the conservative rust belt/the south for obvious reasons. Brooklyn in particular has gone through a ton of gaytrification recently. Jersey City/Hoboken is seeing a similar trend. Boston and San Francisco are already well established Queens. The Gayborhood in Philly is safer than most of the rest of the city in general.
    In places like Detroit, they already suggested that a "gay neighborhood" is basically their last hope in saving the city from bankruptcy and despair. South Africa knew damn well what they were doing when they legalized gay marriage early on before most countries followed.

    So despite how full of hate gays can be regarding to the gay scene, Isn't it kind of ironic to see that our gay communities are actually improving the state of many urban areas across the globe?
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    Nov 04, 2015 6:25 PM GMT
    BP201 saidIt's interesting because I work and play in Hell's Kitchen which, if you didn't know already, has become Hell's Bottom I meet gay men who are transplants from literally everywhere so I do a lot of observing in "the gay scene". Hell's Kitchen used to be one of the roughest neighborhoods in Manhattan.
    Most of the gays come running here are from the conservative rust belt/the south for obvious reasons. Brooklyn in particular has gone through a ton of gaytrification recently. Jersey City/Hoboken is seeing a similar trend. Boston and San Francisco are already well established Queens. The Gayborhood in Philly is safer than most of the rest of the city in general.
    In places like Detroit, they already suggested that a "gay neighborhood" is basically their last hope in saving the city from bankruptcy and despair. South Africa knew damn well what they were doing when they legalized gay marriage early on before most countries followed.

    So despite how full of hate gays can be regarding to the gay scene, Isn't it kind of ironic to see that our gay communities are actually improving the state of many urban areas across the globe?


    Maybe it's because those places with gay neighbourhoods espouse a more general idea of tolerance (I know that is no longer p.c.), I guess the better phrase would be inclusion.
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    Nov 04, 2015 6:57 PM GMT
    Denver is an in land city, I bet you could find more expensive areas to buy or rent. The city and county of Denver has no place to expaqnd. Seems some real estate agents are saying try the suburbs. Denver is not so large so a daily commute is practical.

    the denver gay area (Cap Hill)
    -the real estate is expensive, typical middle age gay man owning a medium rise condo is ok with his experience. Medium quality 2br/2ba 1,000 sq-ft condo costs $250,000 Only a few single family houses.

    -Renting; usually there are 2/3 room mates. list of denver neighborhood vs prices:
    http://www.bizjournals.com/denver/blog/broadway_17th/2015/09/cant-afford-an-apartment-heres-denvers-most.html

    going on crime statistics published by the Denver Police crime is higher in the gay bro.
    https://www.denvergov.org/content/denvergov/en/police-department/crime-information/crime-map.html

    -The Denver lite rail is being built out so any real estate with in walking distance to a station is expensive. Even in the ghetto. Interesting to see if areas that are currently expensive but have no lite rail service, like the gay bro Cap Hill neighborhood will got increase as much.

    -the Denver Cap Hill area is also land locked and little new construction. There are no new gay bro areas. We have been assimilated.
    -millennials (gay or straight) are not that interested in living in the suburbs.
    -chances are property taxes for a suburban property are higher than in the city of Denver. Denver has done a good job keeping costs down and city services up.
    -the stereotypical gay should have the nicest house on the block. Guess we have something to aspire to



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    Nov 04, 2015 10:38 PM GMT
    I wouldn't necessarily agree that home ownership is part of a "scene" (gay or otherwise).
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    Nov 04, 2015 11:32 PM GMT
    True. Every environment I enter improves instantly.
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    Nov 04, 2015 11:55 PM GMT
    Hetero inmates even try to pose as gay because the gay-wing is usually less....hostile. Cops have to ask intrusive questions so that only real gay inmates will be allowed admittance.
    What kind of porn to you watch? What site?
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    Nov 04, 2015 11:58 PM GMT
    Sincityfan saidHetero inmates even try to pose as gay because the gay-wing is usually less....hostile. Cops have to ask intrusive questions so that only real gay inmates will be allowed admittance.
    What kind of porn to you watch? What site?

    Please define your use of the term "inmates". It usually means those confined to a prison.
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    Nov 05, 2015 12:51 AM GMT
    It's been going on since the 1950's with "art colonies" establishing themselves in the abandoned / low rent areas of East coast cities.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Nov 05, 2015 1:58 AM GMT
    In Buffalo, the gay area was the Allentown neighborhood just north of downtown. Since the early 90s, gays and lesbians quietly began to move into the West Side, North Buffalo, Black Rock, Parkside and into the suburbs particularly Kenmore, Tonawanda, Williamsville, and Amherst. Our GLB community is quite assimilated throughout a large part of the two county Buffalo-Niagara Metropolitan Area. icon_smile.gif
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    Nov 05, 2015 2:38 AM GMT
    BP201 saidSo despite how full of hate gays can be regarding to the gay scene, Isn't it kind of ironic to see that our gay communities are actually improving the state of many urban areas across the globe?


    You say this with all of the objectivity--which is to say--NONE and casual overstatement of a "gay" person. There is nothing noble about "being gay" that mere presence lifts the state of anything.
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    Nov 05, 2015 3:07 AM GMT
    You know you're in Hell's Kitchen when you're walking around and most guys give you that "I wanna see you naked" look.
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    Nov 05, 2015 3:43 AM GMT
    Nothing will save Detroit.
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    Nov 05, 2015 5:23 AM GMT
    Gays make everything better.
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    Nov 05, 2015 5:30 AM GMT
    Then we sell out to The Stroller Brigade. Goodbye, West Village. Goodbye, Chelsea.
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    Nov 05, 2015 9:21 AM GMT
    xrichx saidNothing will save Detroit. I couldn't have said it better myself.
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    Nov 05, 2015 6:40 PM GMT
    BP201 saidIt's interesting because I work and play in Hell's Kitchen which, if you didn't know already, has become Hell's Bottom I meet gay men who are transplants from literally everywhere so I do a lot of observing in "the gay scene". Hell's Kitchen used to be one of the roughest neighborhoods in Manhattan.
    Most of the gays come running here are from the conservative rust belt/the south for obvious reasons. Brooklyn in particular has gone through a ton of gaytrification recently. Jersey City/Hoboken is seeing a similar trend. Boston and San Francisco are already well established Queens. The Gayborhood in Philly is safer than most of the rest of the city in general.
    In places like Detroit, they already suggested that a "gay neighborhood" is basically their last hope in saving the city from bankruptcy and despair. South Africa knew damn well what they were doing when they legalized gay marriage early on before most countries followed.

    So despite how full of hate gays can be regarding to the gay scene, Isn't it kind of ironic to see that our gay communities are actually improving the state of many urban areas across the globe?


    What's more important the area or the people? I'm not against gentrification at all. However I don't see pricing out a bunch of poor people and improving an area for yourself as something to be proud of.
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    Nov 05, 2015 6:41 PM GMT
    Sincityfan saidHetero inmates even try to pose as gay because the gay-wing is usually less....hostile. Cops have to ask intrusive questions so that only real gay inmates will be allowed admittance.
    What kind of porn to you watch? What site?
    I knew they separated the transgendered for obvious reasons. I didn't know they separated all gay inmates.
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    Nov 05, 2015 8:11 PM GMT
    MrFuscle said
    BP201 saidIt's interesting because I work and play in Hell's Kitchen which, if you didn't know already, has become Hell's Bottom I meet gay men who are transplants from literally everywhere so I do a lot of observing in "the gay scene". Hell's Kitchen used to be one of the roughest neighborhoods in Manhattan.
    Most of the gays come running here are from the conservative rust belt/the south for obvious reasons. Brooklyn in particular has gone through a ton of gaytrification recently. Jersey City/Hoboken is seeing a similar trend. Boston and San Francisco are already well established Queens. The Gayborhood in Philly is safer than most of the rest of the city in general.
    In places like Detroit, they already suggested that a "gay neighborhood" is basically their last hope in saving the city from bankruptcy and despair. South Africa knew damn well what they were doing when they legalized gay marriage early on before most countries followed.

    So despite how full of hate gays can be regarding to the gay scene, Isn't it kind of ironic to see that our gay communities are actually improving the state of many urban areas across the globe?


    What's more important the area or the people? I'm not against gentrification at all. However I don't see pricing out a bunch of poor people and improving an area for yourself as something to be proud of.


    Well there's gays among the poor too. It can be a hostile environment for everybody in poor communities, but especially the gays/trans so I do think it's important for gays to improve the environments for themselves and for the rest of the intolerable communities around them. That's why I said it was ironic, considering the bad stigma.

    Or we can just go back to talking about how shady, slutty, narcissistic, and shallow we are.
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    Nov 05, 2015 8:36 PM GMT
    BP201 said
    MrFuscle said
    BP201 saidIt's interesting because I work and play in Hell's Kitchen which, if you didn't know already, has become Hell's Bottom I meet gay men who are transplants from literally everywhere so I do a lot of observing in "the gay scene". Hell's Kitchen used to be one of the roughest neighborhoods in Manhattan.
    Most of the gays come running here are from the conservative rust belt/the south for obvious reasons. Brooklyn in particular has gone through a ton of gaytrification recently. Jersey City/Hoboken is seeing a similar trend. Boston and San Francisco are already well established Queens. The Gayborhood in Philly is safer than most of the rest of the city in general.
    In places like Detroit, they already suggested that a "gay neighborhood" is basically their last hope in saving the city from bankruptcy and despair. South Africa knew damn well what they were doing when they legalized gay marriage early on before most countries followed.

    So despite how full of hate gays can be regarding to the gay scene, Isn't it kind of ironic to see that our gay communities are actually improving the state of many urban areas across the globe?


    What's more important the area or the people? I'm not against gentrification at all. However I don't see pricing out a bunch of poor people and improving an area for yourself as something to be proud of.


    Well there's gays among the poor too. It can be a hostile environment for everybody in poor communities, but especially the gays/trans so I do think it's important for gays to improve the environments for themselves and for the rest of the intolerable communities around them. That's why I said it was ironic, considering the bad stigma.

    Or we can just go back to talking about how shady, slutty, narcissistic, and shallow we are.


    If they are pricing those same people out all they are doing is bringing more instability into there lives. I'm not against gentrification. I don't see it as a positive or negative, just a consequence of capitalism. Also with gay men's penchant for hiring prostitutes I'm not seeing the great benefit they bring poor gay men when they move into an area. Unless you count easier access to johns as a benefit.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Nov 05, 2015 10:44 PM GMT
    xrichx saidNothing will save Detroit.
    I wouldn't be so sure of that if I were you. Detroit has extremely grave urban problems but there are several neighborhoods that are being invested in and turning around. The downtown area is also enjoying a good amount of investment, redevelopment, and historic preservation. It is not all gloom and doom in Detroit.
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    Nov 05, 2015 10:45 PM GMT
    xrichx saidNothing will save Detroit.
    I wouldn't be so sure of that if I were you. Detroit has extremely grave urban problems but there are several neighborhoods that are being invested in and turning around. The downtown area is also enjoying a good amount of investment, redevelopment, and historic preservation. It is not all gloom and doom in Detroit.
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    Nov 08, 2015 7:36 AM GMT
    MrFuscle said
    BP201 said
    MrFuscle said
    BP201 saidIt's interesting because I work and play in Hell's Kitchen which, if you didn't know already, has become Hell's Bottom I meet gay men who are transplants from literally everywhere so I do a lot of observing in "the gay scene". Hell's Kitchen used to be one of the roughest neighborhoods in Manhattan.
    Most of the gays come running here are from the conservative rust belt/the south for obvious reasons. Brooklyn in particular has gone through a ton of gaytrification recently. Jersey City/Hoboken is seeing a similar trend. Boston and San Francisco are already well established Queens. The Gayborhood in Philly is safer than most of the rest of the city in general.
    In places like Detroit, they already suggested that a "gay neighborhood" is basically their last hope in saving the city from bankruptcy and despair. South Africa knew damn well what they were doing when they legalized gay marriage early on before most countries followed.

    So despite how full of hate gays can be regarding to the gay scene, Isn't it kind of ironic to see that our gay communities are actually improving the state of many urban areas across the globe?


    What's more important the area or the people? I'm not against gentrification at all. However I don't see pricing out a bunch of poor people and improving an area for yourself as something to be proud of.


    Well there's gays among the poor too. It can be a hostile environment for everybody in poor communities, but especially the gays/trans so I do think it's important for gays to improve the environments for themselves and for the rest of the intolerable communities around them. That's why I said it was ironic, considering the bad stigma.

    Or we can just go back to talking about how shady, slutty, narcissistic, and shallow we are.


    If they are pricing those same people out all they are doing is bringing more instability into there lives. I'm not against gentrification. I don't see it as a positive or negative, just a consequence of capitalism. Also with gay men's penchant for hiring prostitutes I'm not seeing the great benefit they bring poor gay men when they move into an area. Unless you count easier access to johns as a benefit.


    Gentrification is presently a negative because it is less about beauty and more about exclusion. In these days of "At Will" employment, there is little guarantee of income. When a group buys up inexpensive properties in order to dramatically raise the rents, the ONLY ones able to afford them are people already well-situated, but who now have more choices.

    Where are the REST going to live?