In 2016, a driver’s license may not be enough ID to board a plane

  • metta

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    Nov 06, 2015 1:04 AM GMT
    In 2016, a driver’s license may not be enough ID to board a plane


    http://www.marketwatch.com/story/story?guid=bb8d3b78-83d9-11e5-a87a-5cd958aac4d0&storyguid=bb8d3b78-83d9-11e5-a87a-5cd958aac4d0&siteid=nwhpf
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    Nov 06, 2015 4:20 PM GMT
    It's not that it isn't enough. It's that the federal government set out new requirements to make it more difficult to forge state ID cards and, just like Common Core, a few states (like mine) waited till the last minute to introduce the new features and then cried "muh freedoms".

    Best part for me? My tax dollars paid for a full redesign of our ID cards...that still isn't in compliance. That means it'll have to be done again.
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    Nov 06, 2015 4:59 PM GMT
    Finally, a use for the stupid TWIC card that the Coast Guard insisted I needed, but that nobody has ever, ever asked to see. Or maybe the stupid passport card that is otherwise not good enough at the airport for international travel.

    Way too many "security" goons with nothing to do but make trouble. icon_mad.gif
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    Nov 06, 2015 5:32 PM GMT
    mindgarden saidFinally, a use for the stupid TWIC card that the Coast Guard insisted I needed, but that nobody has ever, ever asked to see. Or maybe the stupid passport card that is otherwise not good enough at the airport for international travel.

    Way too many "security" goons with nothing to do but make trouble. icon_mad.gif


    Like I said though, this was just another example of the government making a reasonable (seriously, Google the RealID specs) change (and giving MORE than enough time to implement it with little complication to citizens) to something that several states objected to on the grounds of "federal overreach". Now we, the people, are being inconvenienced not by the federal government but by our own states who purport to be "protecting" our freedoms, usually for the benefit to local political careers.

    At some point we need to stand up and put an end to the practice of local and state politicians treating their jobs like springboards instead of actual duty-bound responsibility.
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    Nov 06, 2015 6:47 PM GMT
    Yeah, but why should I need to have three different, redundant federal ID cards? Especially when there's a >$100 fee for each one?

    Actually, at one time it was five, but you're not allowed to use security badges as general ID cards off-base. Or at a different agency.

    I've worked in secure facilities long enough to know that as soon as this system is in place, those very same goons will suddenly decide that it's inadequate, and some completely different system will have to be implemented. Once you let a bureaucracy get started, it just keeps growing and its sole purpose becomes to perpetuate itself.
  • FRE0

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    Nov 06, 2015 9:44 PM GMT
    Fortunately I can use my passport as ID for flying.

    Actually, the problem is that NM does not require proof of legal residency or citizenship for driver's licenses and the federal government requires proof of citizenship or legal residency for flying. It may be that NM will fix the problem by having two different kinds of driver's licenses, one kind being for people who have not proved citizenship and one for people who have proved citizenship.

    As I see it, a state is well within its rights to issue driver's licenses to undocumented people if it chooses to do so; that is exactly what NM has chosen to do. Undocumented people will drive whether or not they have a license although they would prefer to have a license. And, if they can get a license, then they can get proper liability insurance else they cannot. If they do not get proper liability insurance, they put everyone at risk. Also, if they get a license, that indicates that they have passed both the written and behind-the-wheel test and are probably safer drivers. So, NM does have a good reason to permit undocumented people to get licenses.
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    Nov 07, 2015 12:27 AM GMT
    mindgarden saidYeah, but why should I need to have three different, redundant federal ID cards? Especially when there's a >$100 fee for each one?

    Actually, at one time it was five, but you're not allowed to use security badges as general ID cards off-base. Or at a different agency.

    I've worked in secure facilities long enough to know that as soon as this system is in place, those very same goons will suddenly decide that it's inadequate, and some completely different system will have to be implemented. Once you let a bureaucracy get started, it just keeps growing and its sole purpose becomes to perpetuate itself.


    You're seriously arguing governmental entropy? Considering most states' ideas of "ID" were laughable at best as recently as five years ago (Louisiana's was less sophisticated and easier to duplicate than your average private university ID) I'd say that something needed to be done to bring up the security.
  • Timbales

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    Nov 07, 2015 12:30 AM GMT
    I have a passport. I'm not worried.
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    Nov 07, 2015 3:42 AM GMT
    Thank God for my Global Entry and NEXUS cards, as well as my green card. I never utilise my licence to check in, or to do the security check.

    Cheers,

    Sean