'After 13 Years, I'm Leaving Christianity'

  • metta

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    Nov 07, 2015 8:11 AM GMT
    'After 13 Years, I'm Leaving Christianity'


    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/keay-nigel/after-13-years-im-leaving-christianity_b_8488624.html
  • offshore

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    Nov 07, 2015 10:46 AM GMT
    14 years and still a fucking idiot for *open minded to other faith". He deserved to be a sheep.
  • a303guy

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    Nov 07, 2015 11:57 AM GMT
    offshore said14 years and still a fucking idiot for *open minded to other faith". He deserved to be a sheep.


    Agreed. The writer covered a lot of ground, but somehow didn't manage to take The Step.
  • NealJohn

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    Nov 07, 2015 1:46 PM GMT
    The best thing anybody can do if they want a relationship with God is to simply read the Bible. Stay away from churches and congregations, these institutions have placed way too much importance on themselves and are not necessary for true salvation.
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    Nov 07, 2015 1:58 PM GMT
    a303guy said
    offshore said14 years and still a fucking idiot for *open minded to other faith". He deserved to be a sheep.


    Agreed. The writer covered a lot of ground, but somehow didn't manage to take The Step.


    The Step would be the wrong step.
    I sent the writer a tweet go back to Christianity and learn this: https://youtu.be/9t1dSvEfYwQ
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    Nov 07, 2015 2:54 PM GMT
    ^ So are you saying you can only find a relationship with god through the Christian Bible? Which Bible translation should one use? Which is most reliable? Which language should one read it in? Greek, Aramaic? Latin? Vernacular?
  • a303guy

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    Nov 07, 2015 5:21 PM GMT
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    a303guy said
    offshore said14 years and still a fucking idiot for *open minded to other faith". He deserved to be a sheep.


    Agreed. The writer covered a lot of ground, but somehow didn't manage to take The Step.


    The Step would be the wrong step.
    I sent the writer a tweet go back to Christianity and learn this: https://youtu.be/9t1dSvEfYwQ


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  • tazzari

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    Nov 07, 2015 6:19 PM GMT
    NealJohn saidThe best thing anybody can do if they want a relationship with God is to simply read the Bible. Stay away from churches and congregations, these institutions have placed way too much importance on themselves and are not necessary for true salvation.


    Not all of them. I call myself a Christian, but I'm pretty unorthodox - but the (Episcopal) church I belong to is a community which means a great deal to me and has been supportive in everything from welcoming me and my partner to helping out when I've been undergoing operations. No, churches and congregations can be very good things.
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    Nov 07, 2015 7:01 PM GMT
    tazzari said...churches and congregations can be very good things.
    i bet they can if you find the right one. How many gay families pick a faith organization on the basis that it is accepting, drives your families self improvement, etc. Congratulations if you found one.
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    Nov 07, 2015 7:49 PM GMT
    NealJohn saidThe best thing anybody can do if they want a relationship with God is to simply read the Bible. Stay away from churches and congregations, these institutions have placed way too much importance on themselves and are not necessary for true salvation.


    For over thousands of years the bible has been tampered with by the church so either way...
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    Nov 07, 2015 8:06 PM GMT
    If people didn't give a fuck about each others' religious beliefs there would be a less war and strife in the world.
  • vj2004t

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    Nov 07, 2015 8:27 PM GMT
    I am still trying to understand the HATRED OF GAYS. wHERE DO THEY GET THIS CRAP.I was raised in the church. I fell like I have just become awake from a bad long dream...Val
  • FRE0

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    Nov 07, 2015 8:56 PM GMT
    metta said'After 13 Years, I'm Leaving Christianity'


    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/keay-nigel/after-13-years-im-leaving-christianity_b_8488624.html


    The writer became involved with some very narrow-minded and self-absorbed churches that encouraged extreme emotionalism, discouraged thinking, and either required or induced members to toe a very narrow line. Some, instead of promulgating the kerygma, promulgated a false prosperity gospel and had inordinately avaricious clergy. It makes more sense to follow the examples of Jesus although with taking into consideration the fact that the world has considerably changed in the last 2,000 years.

    Most of those who knock Christianity are unaware of the diversity among churches and use ghastly examples as typical.
  • FRE0

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    Nov 07, 2015 9:01 PM GMT
    NealJohn saidThe best thing anybody can do if they want a relationship with God is to simply read the Bible. Stay away from churches and congregations, these institutions have placed way too much importance on themselves and are not necessary for true salvation.


    Unfortunately, that is true of many churches, but definitely not true of all.

    I may be considered heretical, but I really believe that God is more concerned with how we treat each other than with the details of what we believe. The second part of the Summary of the Law as reiterated by Jesus is binding and ought to have wide-spread acceptance by people of all faiths and no faiths; it is to love our neighbors as ourselves. Jesus followed that with the parable of the Good Samaritan thereby greatly expanding the definition of "neighbor".
  • FRE0

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    Nov 07, 2015 9:12 PM GMT
    UndercoverMan said^ So are you saying you can only find a relationship with god through the Christian Bible? Which Bible translation should one use? Which is most reliable? Which language should one read it in? Greek, Aramaic? Latin? Vernacular?


    Although there are differences in translations, the differences are not so great as many people suppose.

    When the King James version was published, it included a rather long preface which very few people even know exists. If they did, their attitude about different versions would be less rigid. The preface stated, among other things, that as more accurate original language texts were discovered and as the English language changed, it would be necessary to write new versions of the Bible. It also stated that a perfect translation would be impossible and that there were differences in opinion about the meanings of some words in the original language texts.

    It is truly bizarre that some people cling to the KJV as if it were totally without error and as if every word in it had been dictated by God to a stenotypist. Many people with that mindset oppose the principal of separation of church and state and are unaware of the evils which result when religion and state are too closely allied. That is the reason I am a member of Americans United for Separation of Church and State.
  • ASHDOD

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    Nov 07, 2015 9:56 PM GMT
    ''I don't believe that we humans can live and function happily without any belief or faith in something outside of the physical world we live in. ''


    so no matter is all invented, you foerce yourself to belive ,just because you think [or somebody put into your head]that otherwise you cant be happy? maybe its the other way around, there is no god, deal with it.
  • tazzari

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    Nov 07, 2015 11:03 PM GMT
    pellaz said
    tazzari said...churches and congregations can be very good things.
    i bet they can if you find the right one. How many gay families pick a faith organization on the basis that it is accepting, drives your families self improvement, etc. Congratulations if you found one.


    Well, we're seeing people come to my church (Trinity Episcopal, Seattle) precisely because they want their kids to be in an open and affirming community. Most Episcopal churches are not places where you need to check your brain at the door. We get a significant number or lapsed Mormons and Catholics, not to mention refugees from some of the more controlling evangelical churches.

    Again, I'm not sure how far I "believe," but Trinity, at any rate, is a place for people on a spiritual journey.
  • FRE0

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    Nov 07, 2015 11:50 PM GMT
    tazzari said
    pellaz said
    tazzari said...churches and congregations can be very good things.
    i bet they can if you find the right one. How many gay families pick a faith organization on the basis that it is accepting, drives your families self improvement, etc. Congratulations if you found one.


    Well, we're seeing people come to my church (Trinity Episcopal, Seattle) precisely because they want their kids to be in an open and affirming community. Most Episcopal churches are not places where you need to check your brain at the door. We get a significant number or lapsed Mormons and Catholics, not to mention refugees from some of the more controlling evangelical churches.

    Again, I'm not sure how far I "believe," but Trinity, at any rate, is a place for people on a spiritual journey.


    ^^^ This ^^^ and I know from experience.
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    Nov 08, 2015 12:08 AM GMT
    tazzari said...the (Episcopal) church I belong to is a community which means a great deal to me...


    I have spoken with many family members and friends who are Catholic, and they say the same thing. In particular, they repeat that there is a chasm between the pronouncements of church officials and the community.

    What puzzles me is why would anyone be a part of a community based on teachings they fundamentally disagree with. It's not even about homosexuality: the Catholic church teaches that masturbation and birth control are grave sins. Seriously?

    As for the original article, I could understand how a 13-year-old would find an evangelical church much more fun than a Buddhist temple. Maybe it's a learning experience for Buddhists? Fun is not a tragedy?

    I mean, our priest's 90 minutes sermons every weekend were enough to turn anyone into an atheist. Enough already!
  • FRE0

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    Nov 08, 2015 12:53 AM GMT
    themachine said
    tazzari said...the (Episcopal) church I belong to is a community which means a great deal to me...


    I have spoken with many family members and friends who are Catholic, and they say the same thing. In particular, they repeat that there is a chasm between the pronouncements of church officials and the community.

    What puzzles me is why would anyone be a part of a community based on teachings they fundamentally disagree with. It's not even about homosexuality: the Catholic church teaches that masturbation and birth control are grave sins. Seriously?

    As for the original article, I could understand how a 13-year-old would find an evangelical church much more fun than a Buddhist temple. Maybe it's a learning experience for Buddhists? Fun is not a tragedy?

    I mean, our priest's 90 minutes sermons every weekend were enough to turn anyone into an atheist. Enough already!


    NINETY MINUTE sermons? In the Episcopal Church sermons are typically 15 to 20 minutes long. I can't even imagine how the congregation would react to a 90 minute sermon!

    On one of my trips to Australia, I was at a small Anglican Church which was built in about 1835. There was no sermon in the usual sense. Instead, notes were passed out and what would have been a sermon in other churches was more like a seminar with everyone taking part in the discussion. It worked very well in that small church but would be impractical in a larger church. There is considerable variety in the Anglican Communion of which the Episcopal Church in the U.S. is a part.

    When I lived in San Diego (1978 - 1994), I was a member of St. Paul's Episcopal Cathedral. For Bible study, we used the Kerygma series published by the Presbyterian Church. Unlike some churches, the Episcopal Church does not claim to have a monopoly on truth.
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    offshore said14 years and still a fucking idiot for *open minded to other faith". He deserved to be a sheep.


    Agreed. The writer covered a lot of ground, but somehow didn't manage to take The Step.


    The Step would be the wrong step.
    I sent the writer a tweet go back to Christianity and learn this: https://youtu.be/9t1dSvEfYwQ


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    Yes, Jesus is one of the greatest stories ever. The lessons are numerous. Jesus' story is built on the greatest literary masterpieces of the Ancient World. Just walk away from all of that let alone one of the greatest theological lessons ever!
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    Nov 08, 2015 1:45 AM GMT
    pellaz said
    tazzari said...churches and congregations can be very good things.
    i bet they can if you find the right one. How many gay families pick a faith organization on the basis that it is accepting, drives your families self improvement, etc. Congratulations if you found one.


    Yes: Marble Collegiate Church, 5th Ave. and 29th Street. Watch them tomorrow or any Sunday, 10:55a Eastern, live streaming at www.marblechurch.org
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    metta said'After 13 Years, I'm Leaving Christianity'


    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/keay-nigel/after-13-years-im-leaving-christianity_b_8488624.html


    The writer became involved with some very narrow-minded and self-absorbed churches that encouraged extreme emotionalism, discouraged thinking, and either required or induced members to toe a very narrow line. Some, instead of promulgating the kerygma, promulgated a false prosperity gospel and had inordinately avaricious clergy. It makes more sense to follow the examples of Jesus although with taking into consideration the fact that the world has considerably changed in the last 2,000 years.

    Most of those who knock Christianity are unaware of the diversity among churches and use ghastly examples as typical.


    I can see a prosperity gospel in the ministry of Jesus.
    Oh (gravely), that was before his ministry turned tragic.

    The Beatitudes, however, tempers how much of a proponent of prosperity one should be. And with statements such as, "the poor you will always have with you" also tempers how much of a proponent of prosperity one should be.
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    Nov 08, 2015 2:39 AM GMT
    This is my opinion, he has his. Who do you give Thanks to every morning you wake up and take a breath ? I know & I do.
  • SilverRRCloud

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    Nov 08, 2015 3:27 AM GMT
    Wherever you turn up these days, you come across the guys who are making these world-changing comments:

    "I am leaving gay life."

    "I am leaving the church."

    "I am leaving whatever/whoever."

    Cool, get going already. All of the above existed long time b4 you showed up. And they will go on existing once you leave, too.

    Despite what you and many other folks tend to believe, neither they nor their opinions or largely individual actions matter at all. No one really give a flyin' ...

    SC