Neocon Diane Feinstein - Fight them now or fight them later

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    Nov 08, 2015 5:33 PM GMT
    http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/dianne-feinstein-isis-threat-bomb/2015/11/08/id/701166/

    She's very much right IMO.

    And fight them there, not here.
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    Nov 08, 2015 5:42 PM GMT
    http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/video/senate-intel-vice-chair--strong-probability-bomb-brought-down-russian-plane-562084419523
  • tj85016

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    Nov 08, 2015 7:27 PM GMT
    Please, you know who has all these morons like Feinstein, Lindsay Graham, HILLARY CLINTON and John McCain spouting this crap?

    Boeing, General Dynamics, Lockheed-Martin and the money hungry assholes in the Pentagon, that's who.

    Feinstein busy firing up the war machine again, same tired story.
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    Nov 08, 2015 8:39 PM GMT
    tj85016 saidPlease, you know who has all these morons like Feinstein, Lindsay Graham, HILLARY CLINTON and John McCain spouting this crap?

    Boeing, General Dynamics, Lockheed-Martin and the money hungry assholes in the Pentagon, that's who.

    Feinstein busy firing up the war machine again, same tired story.


    Your solution?
  • tj85016

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    Nov 08, 2015 8:51 PM GMT
    ^^

    Stop pissing away money arming people we have no clue about and let the idiots fight it out themselves (but there's no money in that, so . . . . )

    Russia is not going to let that navel base in Syria go

    Sure, let the dumb bastards in Alabama, most of the dozens of shitty small cities in California, New York and Michigan go to hell and keep building schools and hospitals in Afganistan, makes sense (not)
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    Nov 08, 2015 9:06 PM GMT
    As this will also be coming back to a front burner

    http://nypost.com/2015/11/07/obama-held-hostage-how-irans-using-the-nuke-deal-as-license-to-go-wild/
  • tj85016

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    Nov 08, 2015 9:24 PM GMT
    Come on, the Hells Angels and the Mafia have killed a thousand times more Americans than the "Islamic terrorists" could ever imagine killing

    all these contrived wars are about money, some twisted philosophy, and 15,000 worthless clucking hens in the Pentagon doing absolutely NOTHING 98% of the time
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    Nov 08, 2015 9:39 PM GMT
    tj85016 saidCome on, the Hells Angels and the Mafia have killed a thousand times more Americans than the "Islamic terrorists" could ever imagine killing

    all these contrived wars are about money, some twisted philosophy, and 15,000 worthless clucking hens in the Pentagon doing absolutely NOTHING 98% of the time


    http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

    Let's hear your conspiracy theory about the Warren Commission.

    (should be interesting)

    Just kidding. Save it!
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    Nov 09, 2015 2:09 AM GMT
    tj85016 saidCome on, the Hells Angels and the Mafia have killed a thousand times more Americans than the "Islamic terrorists" could ever imagine killing

    all these contrived wars are about money, some twisted philosophy, and 15,000 worthless clucking hens in the Pentagon doing absolutely NOTHING 98% of the time
    +2,000,000

    It is time to stop worrying about the rest of the world and start focusing on the more pressing issues here at home like infrastructure, education, public safety, etc.
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    Nov 09, 2015 2:41 AM GMT
    roadbikeRob said
    tj85016 saidCome on, the Hells Angels and the Mafia have killed a thousand times more Americans than the "Islamic terrorists" could ever imagine killing

    all these contrived wars are about money, some twisted philosophy, and 15,000 worthless clucking hens in the Pentagon doing absolutely NOTHING 98% of the time
    +2,000,000

    It is time to stop worrying about the rest of the world and start focusing on the more pressing issues here at home like infrastructure, education, public safety, etc.


    Worked well in the 30s didn't it?
  • tj85016

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    Nov 09, 2015 6:13 AM GMT
    ^^

    please, as if every single military ship, aircraft or personnel aren't picked-up immediately by satellite the first 5 second of movement now
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    Nov 09, 2015 6:27 AM GMT
    tj85016 said^^

    please, as if every single military ship, aircraft or personnel aren't picked-up immediately by satellite the first 5 second of movement now


    Agree, so now it's far more important. We don't have four or five years to develop weapon systems. We'd better have them when we need them. If we don't have them then we'll guarantee that we'll need them.
  • TheBaise

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    Nov 09, 2015 4:09 PM GMT
    Hillary Clinton has the right idea when she says, "I've heard all I want to hear about Isis". We should just leave them alone and stop policing the world. If we show them we mean them no harm, they'll back off and leave us in peace. HRC knows how to handle this stuff. She gets foreign policy. She really does.
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    Nov 09, 2015 4:34 PM GMT
    TheBaise saidHillary Clinton has the right idea when she says, "I've heard all I want to hear about Isis". We should just leave them alone and stop policing the world. If we show them we mean them no harm, they'll back off and leave us in peace. HRC knows how to handle this stuff. She gets foreign policy. She really does.

    Maybe they'll reattach your head before they back off and leave us in peace.
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    Nov 09, 2015 7:03 PM GMT
    freedomisntfree said
    tj85016 said^^

    please, as if every single military ship, aircraft or personnel aren't picked-up immediately by satellite the first 5 second of movement now


    Agree, so now it's far more important. We don't have four or five years to develop weapon systems. We'd better have them when we need them. If we don't have them then we'll guarantee that we'll need them.


    lol really? $700 billion a year in defense spending (for decades) and we don't have weapons systems? What planet are you on?
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    Nov 09, 2015 7:25 PM GMT
    tj85016 said
    freedomisntfree said
    tj85016 said^^

    please, as if every single military ship, aircraft or personnel aren't picked-up immediately by satellite the first 5 second of movement now


    Agree, so now it's far more important. We don't have four or five years to develop weapon systems. We'd better have them when we need them. If we don't have them then we'll guarantee that we'll need them.


    lol really? $700 billion a year in defense spending (for decades) and we don't have weapons systems? What planet are you on?


    Yep, those 55 year old B-52s don't much get it anymore.

    Here, do sumthin useful ...go play

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  • tj85016

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    Nov 09, 2015 7:53 PM GMT
    B-52s? really?

    B52.jpg

    did we give all thousands of F-15, F-22, F-117, F-16, A-10, B-2, B-1Bs to Israel?

    ps, the B-52s are probably in better shape now than they were in 1963
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    Nov 09, 2015 8:06 PM GMT
    tj85016 saidB-52s? really?

    B52.jpg

    did we give all thousands of F-15, F-22, F-117, F-16, A-10, B-2, B-1Bs to Israel?

    ps, the B-52s are probably in better shape now than they were in 1963


    So, we've sold or given thousands of jets to Israel?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_Air_Force

    " F-4 Phantom II, A-4 Skyhawk, F-15 Eagle and F-16 Fighting Falcon"

    Here, do something.

    http://www.realcleardefense.com/articles/2015/11/08/missing_and_wanted_108655.html

  • tj85016

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    Nov 09, 2015 8:09 PM GMT
    ^^

    lol, like I'm gonna read some propaganda crap from the defense industry begging for more money

    most of the defense industry are just white collar welfare whores
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    Nov 09, 2015 8:13 PM GMT
    tj85016 said^^

    lol, like I'm gonna read some propaganda crap from the defense industry begging for more money

    most of the defense industry are just white collar welfare whores


    Obviously, you don't read, so I'll make it just a lil easier.

    Missing and Wanted

    A New Consensus on National Defense
    By Kenneth Allard

    It is a question one expects to hear on Veterans Day, even though it is never asked by leading journalists or answered by the major candidates. But that basic question is: How will we now defend ourselves at home and abroad?

    In this three-part series, I argue that the current political sweepstakes has failed to stimulate a national conversation on defense, much less a working consensus (Part 1); that this buy-in is an essential first step in any blueprint for defending our interests at home and abroad against a widening array of enemies and threats (Part 2); and, finally in Part 3, that this conversation should include a wide-ranging debate on our national manpower policies, including some form of national service.

    There are two reasons why these issues have become so urgent. The first is that we are in serious difficulty, our once-proud foreign policy collapsing into a sea of troubles. President Obama recently boasted to the UN that he “commands the world’s most powerful military.” Yet skeptics contrast his failed red lines in Syria and temporizing over ISIS with Vladimir Putin’s quick dispatch of a robust Russian intervention force that instantly re-defined the Middle Eastern power calculus. Mr. Obama similarly promised a pivot to the Pacific while presiding over austerity measures that forced the US Navy to retire more ships than it is building. So when the Pentagon, recently disputing Chinese territorial claims, dispatched a guided missile destroyer to the South China Sea, the PRC obliquely threatened war. This increasing mismatch between words, means and ends carries the real risk of war-by-misadventure with Russia or China – citing only the short list of potential adversaries.

    But the second reason why these issues cry out for debate is because we no longer seem to recognize the steady onset of mortal dangers, even as they multiply. Why do Americans take our freedom for granted or assume that our defenses will always prove adequate? Perhaps it is because the same nation that produced the Greatest Generation now defends itself with borrowed money while sending Other People’s Kids in harm’s way – usually three or four times. With less than one percent of our citizens serving in uniform, military illiteracy has become the new normal. Perhaps Mr. Obama’s background as a community organizer produces precisely the sort of chief executive that Americans truly deserve.

    Yet this does not explain why Democratic and Republican candidates trying to succeed him should fail to offer convincing alternatives, preferring instead to play small-ball. It is as if, given the opportunity to speak with the ill-fated captains of the Andrea Gale and El Faro before they left port, the candidates neglected to mention the approaching cyclones, urging instead greater attention to crew hygiene and galley sanitation.

    In contrast, any leader hoping to form the next administration should embrace two key assumptions:

    The 2016 campaign is likely to be transformed by another “911 event” at home or an unforeseen international crisis, even an American military reversal;

    Even without such catastrophic events, victory in the 2016 campaign likely awaits the candidate or party best able to restore a bipartisan consensus on 21st century defense.

    The reason: The last bipartisan consensus on defense was the fifty-year crusade to contain the Soviet Union, an accord that disappeared when the Berlin Wall fell and the Cold War ended. Democratic scion David Rothkopf argues that, with the over-reach of George W. Bush followed by the under-reach of Barack Obama, we went “in twenty years from a bi-polar world to a bi-polar superpower.” A search for middle-ground stability has recently been provided by Professor Henry Nau of George Washington University. His book Conservative Internationalism resurrects Ronald Reagan’s foreign policy of ‘armed diplomacy.’ Military force was used, “not as a solution but as...leverage to achieve diplomatic outcomes that favor freedom.” This Reagan tradition has strong bi-partisan origins, including Harry Truman and Thomas Jefferson.

    Rather than prolonged interventions, Reagan also favored well-defined limits backed up by military force. In a recent Commentary article, Nau argues that “Ronald Reagan mastered…armed diplomacy. He built up US defenses early before he started negotiations with the Soviet Union.” In sharp contrast, “President Obama practices “unarmed diplomacy.” With Iran, “He initiated talks with Tehran while cutting defense budgets and removing US troops from Iraq.” A future Iranian nuclear breakout looms precisely because force has been uncoupled from diplomacy.

    The take-away lesson for reconstituting American power: “A diplomacy that combines the pursuit of freedom through military leverage while maintaining strict limits on that pursuit offers more realistic expectations.” Instead of endlessly re-hashing the Gulf wars, why can’t leaders of both parties seek a new consensus on national defense that begins precisely where Ronald Reagan left off?
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    Nov 09, 2015 8:18 PM GMT
    lol, you crack me up

    do you work for those whores at Battelle?
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    Nov 09, 2015 8:20 PM GMT
    tj85016 saidlol, you crack me up

    do you work for those whores at Battelle?


    More proof you can't or don't read.

    BTW,

    Kindly show me the "thousands" F-22, F-117, A-10, B-2, B-1Bs and B-52 we've given or sold to Israel.

  • tj85016

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    Nov 09, 2015 8:24 PM GMT
    wait, you live in Columbus and don't know what Battelle is?

    you're more clueless than I figured

    but you're welcome to research all the Pentagon contracts for fighter and bomber aircraft on your own
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    Nov 09, 2015 8:27 PM GMT
    tj85016 saidwait, you live in Columbus and don't know what Battelle is?

    you're more clueless than I figured


    Hey, punk, of course I know who they are. However, I've talked about what I do many times and it sure has nothing to do with Battelle, punk.

    Now, while we're talking about "clueless"

    "did we give all thousands of F-15, F-22, F-117, F-16, A-10, B-2, B-1Bs to Israel?"
  • tj85016

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    Nov 09, 2015 8:32 PM GMT
    it was a just rhetorical response to your foolish comment about not having any weapons systems and B-52s lol

    that's really all your moronic, clueless propaganda comments and posts deserve