OMG, my apartment bathroom plumbing fix.. IS now Done

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    Nov 12, 2015 3:18 AM GMT
    Todays note on the door, major fix, I didn't know there was a problem, at least not in my top floor bathroom... icon_eek.gif
    They are going to saw thru my shower wall icon_surprised.gif

    Starting Monday, next week, and for the next two weeks (which includes Thanksgiving week), we will be working on your plumbing, specifically, your tub/shower enclosure

    The work, thru the wall(s), affects 6 apartments, 2 on each floor (3 story) which have common plumbing

    Hours from 8am-5pm

    They said I can shower before 8am or after 5pm, I assume the water will be shut off during these hours


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    Nov 12, 2015 3:31 AM GMT
    MuchMoreThanMuscle saidUgh...that really sucks.

    Especially since the time frame falls on Thanksgiving.

    Perhaps shower up at the gym?





    I have yet to ask my land lady the reason work done during holiday week, unless a pipe broke between floors and its an emergency. Most folks in my building will be home or hosting dinner with friends, family, during this time.

    Not to mention, the work crew(s) that will be in and out of our apartment units, for two weeks! I am sure they will get at least thanksgiving off, hopefully giving us all a break

    This is NOT good, Yeah, the gym shower, but I can still use mine only after 5pm


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    Nov 12, 2015 8:24 AM GMT

    Hmmm,

    It could be my shower pipe, some of the wall paint appears to be bubbling-cracking slightly just below where the pipe comes out of the wall.

    I just thought this cracking was just the paint getting wet from splash over time. In all my mechanical engineering experience, I have no idea about dry wall and especially plumbing behind walls. icon_lol.gif

    I am not a carpenter, pipe fitter nor electrician. This repair does affect 6 apartments though, I cant imagine if there is a leak in my shower head pipe, that water would affect 6 apartments. Maybe there is more than one leak icon_idea.gif


    I imagine the pipes set up like this? But three floors?

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  • Apparition

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    Nov 12, 2015 8:31 AM GMT
    did they mention the MOLD yet? You know, the toxic stuff.
    Wait for it....
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    Nov 12, 2015 8:48 AM GMT
    Apparition saiddid they mention the MOLD yet? You know, the toxic stuff.
    Wait for it....



    They are inspecting the walls Thursday and they start ripping walls out on Monday. I don't know about mold yet until they see what's behind the wall

    I do get a fair amount of 'normal' mold on ceiling just from normal steam and usage. I keep the ceiling and walls clean from any build up. When I clean my bathroom, I do floor, ceiling and walls.

    I don't know what's behind the wall though, don't scare me with the "toxic" stuff, I am sure there will be some mold just from dampness that got through the wall icon_mad.gif


    Mold facts
    http://www.medicinenet.com/mold_exposure/article.htm

    The term "toxic mold" refers to molds that produce mycotoxins, such as Stachybotrys chartarum, not to all molds

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    Nov 12, 2015 10:36 AM GMT
    2 weeks is a long time to just repair showers
    thats Joe the Plumber + John McCain in action.
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    Nov 12, 2015 10:46 PM GMT


    OMG, its way worse than I thought..........


    Not just the shower enclosure part of the wall.... but THE ENTIRE WALL!

    I was just told to remove everything including my over john shelving and everything under my bathroom sink!

    It appears ALL hot/cold water lines, tub/shower, sink are being replaced, behind the walls that adjoin with other apartments!

    Maybe I get a new vanity out of this icon_confused.gif


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    Nov 12, 2015 11:30 PM GMT
    Well, we've got work pending in one of our bathrooms, too. It's believed the shower "pan" is leaking, and needs replacement. Unfortunately the oversized shower is entirely hand-tiled and grouted, all that needing total removal, and the "curb" has to be taken out, too, along with the full-length, solid glass sliding doors, which may or may not be reusable with the new shower installation.

    They also mentioned the possibility of taking a wall down to accomplish the work, like with the OP. All the walls in that bathroom are 1-piece floor to ceiling mirrors, aside from the shower itself. Even the ceiling is 1-piece mirror. The estimate begins at $10,000, which I'm confident will go much higher before it's done, possibly doubling, especially if the glass-covered wall comes down, along with the ceiling. The original cost for that bathroom 12 years ago was $25,000. Fortunately we can shower in our master bathroom, that other one is the guest.

    And not too long ago I had to drop nearly $5000 on a new central air unit. Had that done while we were in Key West, so we didn't have to live with the mess for a few days. In a South Florida condo the A/C is vital, no delaying that job.

    I've been putting this work off, since it's just the guest shower. At least the toilet and sink in there work fine. But if you're planning to visit with us, bring plenty of Wet-Wipes. LOL!
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    Nov 12, 2015 11:50 PM GMT
    ^My building is like 65 years old, I assume every bit of water pipe behind the walls is currently copper with soldered joints. Copper pipes are durable, but this many years without leaks? Los Angeles in general has been experiencing water main breaks like crazy in the last few years. The plumbing is just old, my apartment too.

    In my area of LA, we don't get the freeze, thaw cycles of the seasons. You have to add in the earthquakes in the last 65 years, although my building survived the '94 Northridge quake, there is no telling what happened to any of this copper plumbing behind the walls.

    I did have a huge quake crack, that opened gradually, in my living room wall that was repaired a few years ago. There is no telling what exactly is going on behind the wall(s), and between floors, nobody can see that.

    I am just upset, property owners decided to do this project over the Thanksgiving holiday icon_mad.gificon_confused.gif



  • Suetonius

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    Nov 13, 2015 12:24 AM GMT
    Most buildings over 65 years old would have iron pipes. (They rust and fall apart).


    Is ALL water in your apartment going to be off?

    If so, you might consider saving some in pots/pans/whatever for kitchen use.

    For theft proctetion, consider videoing your entire apartment to prove what was there, and to help you notice if anything has gone "missing."

  • ChicagoSteve

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    Nov 13, 2015 12:40 AM GMT
    In September, I came home from work one night, and one of the maintenance guys called and told me not to use my kitchen sink. I am on the 2nd floor of a 29 story high rise, and there was a leak into the ceiling on the 1st floor. The next day the management office called me at work and said they had to break through my kitchen wall to get at the master pipe. Long story short, they had to remove all my cabinets, and for two weeks, I had a huge hole in the wall behind the sink, covered with a plastic tarp. Workers came in and out throughout that whole period, except on weekends. All of my dishes, utensils, etc, were all piled in my living room. What a pain!
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    Nov 13, 2015 1:05 AM GMT
    ELNathB saidMy building is like 65 years old, I assume every bit of water pipe behind the walls is currently copper with soldered joints. Copper pipes are durable, but this many years without leaks? Los Angeles in general has been experiencing water main breaks like crazy in the last few years. The plumbing is just old, my apartment too.

    I know about old homes and bad plumbing. My boyhood house was built in the mid-1920s. Very period interior, with oak floors, and built-in book cabinets of chestnut wood, and chestnut paneling in some rooms, all the baseboards and ceiling crown molding chestnut, too. A beautiful wood that soon after became unavailable due to the chestnut tree blight.

    When my Mother had it torn out to "modernize" the house around 1960 (foolishly I thought), I requested she store some of it in the garage. It became the source for many of my woodworking projects, that were totally unique if only due to the old and by-then rare wood I used.

    But another period feature of that house that was not so good was lead water piping. Lead was non-corrosive and easy to handle and solder, and durable enough for residential applications. But some years after my Mother bought the house in 1939 she began to learn of the dangers of lead. So she had all the plumbing ripped out and replaced with copper. PVC pipes didn't exist yet. Those copper pipes were still there when the house was sold in 1992.

    Another piping common from that era was ceramic residential sewage lines out to the city street connection. But those were prone to collapse, and were easily broken by tree roots. And so as a boy I remember our yard being trenched and cast iron pipe replacements installed. None of those ever failed while we owned the house.
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    Nov 13, 2015 1:09 AM GMT
    ELNathB said

    OMG, its way worse than I thought..........

    Not just the shower enclosure part of the wall.... but THE ENTIRE WALL!

    I was just told to remove everything including my over john shelving and everything under my bathroom sink!

    It appears ALL hot/cold water lines, tub/shower, sink are being replaced, behind the walls that adjoin with other apartments!

    Maybe I get a new vanity out of this icon_confused.gif

    I'm not clear from your previous. Can you still shower elsewhere in your residence? And have use of sinks, toilet and such?
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    Nov 13, 2015 5:36 AM GMT
    Suetonius saidMost buildings over 65 years old would have iron pipes. (They rust and fall apart).


    Is ALL water in your apartment going to be off?

    If so, you might consider saving some in pots/pans/whatever for kitchen use.

    For theft proctetion, consider videoing your entire apartment to prove what was there, and to help you notice if anything has gone "missing."





    I suppose water will be shut off in just the bathroom (water for shower-tub-toilet-sink) from 8am-5pm daily. My kitchen sink water in the other room, will not be affected so I will be able to at least cook dinner and run the dish washer.

    Iron pipes in a 1950 apartment building? We do have some of those but those pipes are visible in the parking garage. My building maintenance has had to replace many of those pipes exposed to outside air.

    I wont know what pipes, copper or iron are behind the interior walls until the plumbers get in there.






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    Nov 13, 2015 5:39 AM GMT
    Art_Deco said
    ELNathB said

    OMG, its way worse than I thought..........

    Not just the shower enclosure part of the wall.... but THE ENTIRE WALL!

    I was just told to remove everything including my over john shelving and everything under my bathroom sink!

    It appears ALL hot/cold water lines, tub/shower, sink are being replaced, behind the walls that adjoin with other apartments!

    Maybe I get a new vanity out of this icon_confused.gif

    I'm not clear from your previous. Can you still shower elsewhere in your residence? And have use of sinks, toilet and such?





    Bathroom water, tub-shower-toilet-sink will be off from 8am-5pm daily, I have only one bathroom

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    Nov 13, 2015 5:44 AM GMT
    ChicagoSteve saidIn September, I came home from work one night, and one of the maintenance guys called and told me not to use my kitchen sink. I am on the 2nd floor of a 29 story high rise, and there was a leak into the ceiling on the 1st floor. The next day the management office called me at work and said they had to break through my kitchen wall to get at the master pipe. Long story short, they had to remove all my cabinets, and for two weeks, I had a huge hole in the wall behind the sink, covered with a plastic tarp. Workers came in and out throughout that whole period, except on weekends. All of my dishes, utensils, etc, were all piled in my living room. What a pain!






    Ouch!, sounds about what I'm in for in my one and only bathroom. I just hope the plumbing crew starts with my bathroom first before the other 5 apartments. I may be able to salvage Thanksgiving icon_cry.gif

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    Nov 13, 2015 6:06 AM GMT
    I suppose its going to go something like this?, at least for the sink and toilet water pipes that are low to the floor and higher cut out towards the ceiling for the shower-tub water pipes, I have typical tile in shower surround, that might have to be removed as well

    This project is going to be horrible icon_cry.gif





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    Nov 13, 2015 8:07 PM GMT
    ChicagoSteve saidIn September, I came home from work one night, and one of the maintenance guys called and told me not to use my kitchen sink. I am on the 2nd floor of a 29 story high rise, and there was a leak into the ceiling on the 1st floor. The next day the management office called me at work and said they had to break through my kitchen wall to get at the master pipe. Long story short, they had to remove all my cabinets, and for two weeks, I had a huge hole in the wall behind the sink, covered with a plastic tarp. Workers came in and out throughout that whole period, except on weekends. All of my dishes, utensils, etc, were all piled in my living room. What a pain!


    That should have been ... what a pan!
  • TheBaise

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    Nov 13, 2015 11:08 PM GMT
    Art_Deco saidWell, we've got work pending in one of our bathrooms, too. It's believed the shower "pan" is leaking, and needs replacement. Unfortunately the oversized shower is entirely hand-tiled and grouted, all that needing total removal, and the "curb" has to be taken out, too, along with the full-length, solid glass sliding doors, which may or may not be reusable with the new shower installation.

    They also mentioned the possibility of taking a wall down to accomplish the work, like with the OP. All the walls in that bathroom are 1-piece floor to ceiling mirrors, aside from the shower itself. Even the ceiling is 1-piece mirror. The estimate begins at $10,000, which I'm confident will go much higher before it's done, possibly doubling, especially if the glass-covered wall comes down, along with the ceiling. The original cost for that bathroom 12 years ago was $25,000. Fortunately we can shower in our master bathroom, that other one is the guest.

    And not too long ago I had to drop nearly $5000 on a new central air unit. Had that done while we were in Key West, so we didn't have to live with the mess for a few days. In a South Florida condo the A/C is vital, no delaying that job.

    I've been putting this work off, since it's just the guest shower. At least the toilet and sink in there work fine. But if you're planning to visit with us, bring plenty of Wet-Wipes. LOL!



    Interesting, pathetic and not surprising that you choose to always mention what things cost you, dude. Didn't anyone ever tell you that bragging about money all the time was in very poor taste? You give yourself away / and your bathroom sounds tacky. Mirrors on the ceiling? To see what? Fat bodies looking down at you? Poor, pathetic wannabe.

    And aren't you the same fat guy who wailed and moaned that his partner left him one night with the one car you said you'd paid for? You went on to cry that you'd just spent $400.00 cash on a new mattress / and did any of us know if you could return it? Dude, you have our pity / instead of our admiration. You need a good psychiatrist. Low self esteem? You have that in spades.
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    Nov 14, 2015 11:44 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    ELNathB said
    Art_Deco said
    ELNathB said

    OMG, its way worse than I thought..........

    Not just the shower enclosure part of the wall.... but THE ENTIRE WALL!

    I was just told to remove everything including my over john shelving and everything under my bathroom sink!

    It appears ALL hot/cold water lines, tub/shower, sink are being replaced, behind the walls that adjoin with other apartments!

    Maybe I get a new vanity out of this icon_confused.gif

    I'm not clear from your previous. Can you still shower elsewhere in your residence? And have use of sinks, toilet and such?





    Bathroom water, tub-shower-toilet-sink will be off from 8am-5pm daily, I have only one bathroom



    Well there's your problem right there. You should live your life as Mr. Deco does, and live in a place with a $25,000 guest bathroom. Then, when something like this happens, you've got a backup plan.


    Most here hate you SB but I find you quite witty. You're obsession with Art is a bit disturbing but humorous none the less.
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    Nov 14, 2015 11:52 PM GMT

    Appears the plumbing crew started earlier than the scheduled Monday morning. I heard hammer pounding on the wall and what sounded like "falling debris" next to my apartment this Saturday morning. I assume they started already in my neighbors apartment
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    Nov 24, 2015 7:41 AM GMT


    My bathroom plumbing job is done, cant say its finished for the other 5 apartments.

    It would appear that the apartment next to mine, common wall, got the entire wall cut out to access water pipes for sink, toilet and shower, theirs and mine. So my wall was hardly disturbed at all. From the cutting saw sound, I have determined that the old water pipes removed were iron and not copper

    I got one of these, converted from 3 handle to one for the shower and a new shower head. They put the new shower pipe up higher out of the wall than the original

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    I bought myself a new shower caddy, one of those corner pole, tub to ceiling ones and a new toilet seat and rug set. Bathroom is still very dusty, now I have to wipe everything down before I start to put everything back together. At least they saved my wall compared to my neighbors


  • mystery905

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    Nov 24, 2015 1:00 PM GMT
    Maybe your plumber will be a hottie and provide 'other' services icon_wink.gif
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    Nov 24, 2015 2:33 PM GMT
    ELNathB said
    My bathroom plumbing job is done, cant say its finished for the other 5 apartments.

    It would appear that the apartment next to mine, common wall, got the entire wall cut out to access water pipes for sink, toilet and shower, theirs and mine. So my wall was hardly disturbed at all. From the cutting saw sound, I have determined that the old water pipes removed were iron and not copper

    I got one of these, converted from 3 handle to one for the shower and a new shower head. They put the new shower pipe up higher out of the wall than the original

    hqdefault.jpg

    I bought myself a new shower caddy, one of those corner pole, tub to ceiling ones and a new toilet seat and rug set. Bathroom is still very dusty, now I have to wipe everything down before I start to put everything back together. At least they saved my wall compared to my neighbors.

    Glad that's over for you, and with less disruption than the worst-case scenario you had described. I didn't want to face replacing our own central air because of that kind of mess, but I knew it was failing. And which we own because this is a condo, not a rental.

    It finally conked out just 2 days before a planned November Key West trip, but really a blessing. You can't live in most South Florida condos that have little natural cross-ventilation without AC. But I had been dreading the work disruption, and delaying the inevitable, plus Christmas was coming and I was watching our budget. This was a perfect opportunity to get it done while we were gone.

    I was able to get the AC guy to do the work on short notice, simply gave him the key, we trust him. And fortunately he was also able to quickly hire a big industrial crane to hoist the outside AC unit up onto the roof above the 3rd floor of this unit.

    When we returned almost 2 weeks later we had the new AC working, with no signs anything had ever happened in our condo. And BTW, since the cost constituted most of my Christmas budget, I got a big red holiday bow to stick on the indoor unit. Christmas morning I flung the utility closet door open and said to him "Merry Christmas"! By way of explaining why there wouldn't be too much under the tree. LOL!