Glenn Reynolds - Raise the voting age?

  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Nov 12, 2015 2:17 PM GMT
    http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2015/11/11/raise-voting-age-25-yale-missouri-protests-political-debate-column/75577468/
  • roadbikeRob

    Posts: 14335

    Nov 12, 2015 2:35 PM GMT
    Raising the voting age is an idiotic idea and this man should be ashamed of himself for making such a horrendous proposal. The trouble with young adults ages 18-24 is the serious lack of proper upbringing when growing up. That is primarily the root cause of a lack of responsibility and maturity in today's 18 to 24 year old adults. Raising the voting age is a major no go. Bringing back proper upbringing and instilling respect in young people is the answer. We need to revisit these child welfare laws as well since they have gone somewhat overboard in restricting parents.
  • musclmed

    Posts: 3274

    Nov 12, 2015 7:30 PM GMT
    He was trying to ( i guess) make the point that the youth of today are immature because of the recent publicity that some would block free speech.

    If you could be drafted and have to fill out a selective service card, you should be able to vote.

    However there is nothing new to intolerance to the free exchange of ideas.

    Anyone who would ever encounter anyone like that Yale senior student who lashed out in a emotional and yes "hysterical" tirade should learn from it. There will be people in life like this and you should learn how to deal with them and put them in the place they deserve.
  • Apparition

    Posts: 3521

    Nov 13, 2015 8:07 AM GMT
    if anything they should CAP the voting age. You should not be able to vote for deficit spending you will never have to pay back.

    Ideally though, representatives should be selected by two voting groups, the Young and the old. Each given representation. Ie everyone 18-40 elect one set and 41-older elect another set. That way both groups will have to curried to, not just old rich people who actually make the decisions because they vote and there are so many of them. The world would be a better place.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Nov 13, 2015 11:06 AM GMT
    I smell a Republican agenda here. The same one that's trying to disenfranchise college students from voting on their campuses.

    Studies have shown college-age voters tend to vote more liberal. And the Republican Party has engaged in a nationwide effort to either disqualify outright, or to impose barriers upon, demographic groups they believe are less likely to vote for them. This proposal would follow that policy.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Nov 13, 2015 12:40 PM GMT
    Art_Deco saidI smell a Republican agenda here. The same one that's trying to disenfranchise college students from voting on their campuses.

    Studies have shown college-age voters tend to vote more liberal. And the Republican Party has engaged in a nationwide effort to either disqualify outright, or to impose barriers upon, demographic groups they believe are less likely to vote for them. This proposal would follow that policy.

    I've lived in several college towns and it's always a battle when college kids want to register and vote in local elections. They don't have the best interests of the town and its future at heart. Almost all are there for nine months, gone for the summer and so on until they graduate and leave for good, all the while being claimed as dependents by their parents. Imagine a fundamentalist Christian university setting up in wherever it is you live and all the students want to register to vote there leading to your town council, town policy, etc. being dictated by a bunch of fundamentalist kids. Not such a good idea when you flip the script, eh?
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Nov 13, 2015 1:01 PM GMT
    DefensiveEnd said
    Art_Deco saidI smell a Republican agenda here. The same one that's trying to disenfranchise college students from voting on their campuses.

    Studies have shown college-age voters tend to vote more liberal. And the Republican Party has engaged in a nationwide effort to either disqualify outright, or to impose barriers upon, demographic groups they believe are less likely to vote for them. This proposal would follow that policy.

    I've lived in several college towns and it's always a battle when college kids want to register and vote in local elections. They don't have the best interests of the town and its future at heart. Almost all are there for nine months, gone for the summer and so on until they graduate and leave for good, all the while being claimed as dependents by their parents. Imagine a fundamentalist Christian university setting up in wherever it is you live and all the students want to register to vote there leading to your town council, town policy, etc. being dictated by a bunch of fundamentalist kids. Not such a good idea when you flip the script, eh?

    But that DOES happen. Ever hear of the YRs (Young Republicans)? They sign-up voters on college campuses, for local election districts. But fortunately the YRs are bucking a national trend among younger voters. Republicans may have an advantage fundamentalist colleges, but there actually aren't too many of those (praise the Lord).

    And voting is a State determination, with certain Federal oversights this Right-leaning Supreme Court has recently struck down. Therefore some southern States may continue to let college students vote on campus. Whereas Republicans in northern States, where fewer radical Christian campuses exist, are trying to block student voting. It's all about tailoring the voting policy to match the local demographics, for maximum Republican benefit at the polls.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Nov 13, 2015 1:04 PM GMT
    Art_Deco saidI smell a Republican agenda here. The same one that's trying to disenfranchise college students from voting on their campuses.

    Studies have shown college-age voters tend to vote more liberal. And the Republican Party has engaged in a nationwide effort to either disqualify outright, or to impose barriers upon, demographic groups they believe are less likely to vote for them. This proposal would follow that policy.


    "I smell a Republican agenda here."

    I haven't farted yet this morning so unlikely that it's me, but in regards to the author:

    "I’d like to live in a world in which happily married gay people have closets full of assault weapons to protect their pot."
  • roadbikeRob

    Posts: 14335

    Nov 13, 2015 1:05 PM GMT
    DefensiveEnd said
    Art_Deco saidI smell a Republican agenda here. The same one that's trying to disenfranchise college students from voting on their campuses.

    Studies have shown college-age voters tend to vote more liberal. And the Republican Party has engaged in a nationwide effort to either disqualify outright, or to impose barriers upon, demographic groups they believe are less likely to vote for them. This proposal would follow that policy.

    I've lived in several college towns and it's always a battle when college kids want to register and vote in local elections. They don't have the best interests of the town and its future at heart. Almost all are there for nine months, gone for the summer and so on until they graduate and leave for good, all the while being claimed as dependents by their parents. Imagine a fundamentalist Christian university setting up in wherever it is you live and all the students want to register to vote there leading to your town council, town policy, etc. being dictated by a bunch of fundamentalist kids. Not such a good idea when you flip the script, eh?
    There is the other problem, college age adults still being dependent on their parents for almost every damn thing. That is wrong and that is why so many of these kids are as irresponsible and immature as they are today. Part of going to college is learning to stand on your own two feet not living on welfare off your parents or legal guardian. No wonder many of these 18-24 year old adults are screwed up in the head.

    Now due to the immaturity and irresponsibility of most 18-24 year old adults, I could wholeheartedly support a nationwide 25 year drinking age which would also include recreational use of marijuana.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Nov 13, 2015 1:06 PM GMT
    Art_Deco said
    DefensiveEnd said
    Art_Deco saidI smell a Republican agenda here. The same one that's trying to disenfranchise college students from voting on their campuses.

    Studies have shown college-age voters tend to vote more liberal. And the Republican Party has engaged in a nationwide effort to either disqualify outright, or to impose barriers upon, demographic groups they believe are less likely to vote for them. This proposal would follow that policy.

    I've lived in several college towns and it's always a battle when college kids want to register and vote in local elections. They don't have the best interests of the town and its future at heart. Almost all are there for nine months, gone for the summer and so on until they graduate and leave for good, all the while being claimed as dependents by their parents. Imagine a fundamentalist Christian university setting up in wherever it is you live and all the students want to register to vote there leading to your town council, town policy, etc. being dictated by a bunch of fundamentalist kids. Not such a good idea when you flip the script, eh?

    But that DOES happen. Ever hear of the YRs (Young Republicans)? They sign-up voters on college campuses, for local election districts. But fortunately the YRs are bucking a national trend among younger voters. Republicans may have an advantage fundamentalist colleges, but there actually aren't too many of those (praise the Lord).

    And voting is a State determination, with certain Federal oversights this Right-leaning Supreme Court has recently struck down. Therefore some southern States may continue to let college students vote on campus. Whereas Republicans in northern States, where fewer radical Christian campuses exist, are trying to block student voting.


    "Ever hear of the YRs (Young Republicans)? They sign-up voters on college campuses"

    Yes, I was one of them.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Nov 13, 2015 1:28 PM GMT
    freedomisntfree said
    Art_Deco saidI smell a Republican agenda here. The same one that's trying to disenfranchise college students from voting on their campuses.

    Studies have shown college-age voters tend to vote more liberal. And the Republican Party has engaged in a nationwide effort to either disqualify outright, or to impose barriers upon, demographic groups they believe are less likely to vote for them. This proposal would follow that policy.


    "I smell a Republican agenda here."

    I haven't farted yet this morning so unlikely that it's me, but in regards to the author:

    "I’d like to live in a world in which happily married gay people have closets full of assault weapons to protect their pot."


    No longer true.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Nov 13, 2015 1:48 PM GMT
    freedomisntfree said
    "Ever hear of the YRs (Young Republicans)? They sign-up voters on college campuses"

    Yes, I was one of them.

    So was I, while in college. Along with Thomas Kean, future New Jersey Governor. Even then a little old to be a "young" Republican, but he somehow was. In fact, we rode down to Cherry Hill, NJ together one time for a YR convention, along with the future County Prosecutor for Passaic County, NJ. Man, did we all get shit-faced on a Harvey Wallbanger punch in a hotel hospitality room!

    I think I slept on the floor of Kean's room, or somebody's room. Not because I was drunk, but because the hotel had overbooked and screwed up the reservations, and I didn't have any room at all. Ah, to be young & irresponsible again. Now I'm just old & irresponsible. icon_sad.gif
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Nov 13, 2015 1:48 PM GMT
    roadbikeRob said
    DefensiveEnd said
    Art_Deco saidI smell a Republican agenda here. The same one that's trying to disenfranchise college students from voting on their campuses.

    Studies have shown college-age voters tend to vote more liberal. And the Republican Party has engaged in a nationwide effort to either disqualify outright, or to impose barriers upon, demographic groups they believe are less likely to vote for them. This proposal would follow that policy.

    I've lived in several college towns and it's always a battle when college kids want to register and vote in local elections. They don't have the best interests of the town and its future at heart. Almost all are there for nine months, gone for the summer and so on until they graduate and leave for good, all the while being claimed as dependents by their parents. Imagine a fundamentalist Christian university setting up in wherever it is you live and all the students want to register to vote there leading to your town council, town policy, etc. being dictated by a bunch of fundamentalist kids. Not such a good idea when you flip the script, eh?
    There is the other problem, college age adults still being dependent on their parents for almost every damn thing. That is wrong and that is why so many of these kids are as irresponsible and immature as they are today. Part of going to college is learning to stand on your own two feet not living on welfare off your parents or legal guardian. No wonder many of these 18-24 year old adults are screwed up in the head.

    Now due to the immaturity and irresponsibility of most 18-24 year old adults, I could wholeheartedly support a nationwide 25 year drinking age which would also include recreational use of marijuana.

    I'd support raising the legal drinking age. There's nothing more obnoxious than a bunch of kids coming in a bar to celebrate somebody's 21st birthday. Then about 1a.m. they get tired of each other and start bothering the other patrons. There's nothing worse than being twerked on by a 21 year old who smells like alcohol, Beyonce perfume and Bubble Yum. I might make special allowances for military personnel like a speakeasy on the base.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Nov 13, 2015 1:55 PM GMT
    roadbikeRob saidThere is the other problem, college age adults still being dependent on their parents for almost every damn thing. That is wrong and that is why so many of these kids are as irresponsible and immature as they are today.

    We have a good number of what we call "trust fund kids". They are independently wealthy, thanks to parents still living or dead. And some are really no longer kids. But they have no occupation except to find ways to spend their trust fund incomes they were given. And warm, sunny South Florida is one of their favorite haunts.
  • roadbikeRob

    Posts: 14335

    Nov 13, 2015 2:14 PM GMT
    Art_Deco said
    freedomisntfree said
    "Ever hear of the YRs (Young Republicans)? They sign-up voters on college campuses"

    Yes, I was one of them.

    So was I, while in college. Along with Thomas Kean, future New Jersey Governor. Even then a little old to be a "young" Republican, but he somehow was. In fact, we rode down to Cherry Hill, NJ together one time for a YR convention, along with the future County Prosecutor for Passaic County, NJ. Man, did we all get shit-faced on a Harvey Wallbanger punch in a hotel hospitality room!

    I think I slept on the floor of Kean's room, or somebody's room. Not because I was drunk, but because the hotel had overbooked and screwed up the reservations, and I didn't have any room at all. Ah, to be young & irresponsible again. Now I'm just old & irresponsible. icon_sad.gif
    There is the root cause of this problem, young people ages 18-24 are irresponsible and have this negative attitude that being irresponsible is somehow a constitutional right. This line of thinking needs to be stamped out because it is out of hand. But look at the alarming number of older adults over 25 that are irresponsible and don't give a shit, it's alarming.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Nov 13, 2015 2:15 PM GMT
    Art_Deco said
    freedomisntfree said
    "Ever hear of the YRs (Young Republicans)? They sign-up voters on college campuses"

    Yes, I was one of them.

    So was I, while in college. Along with Thomas Kean, future New Jersey Governor. Even then a little old to be a "young" Republican, but he somehow was. In fact, we rode down to Cherry Hill, NJ together one time for a YR convention, along with the future County Prosecutor for Passaic County, NJ. Man, did we all get shit-faced on a Harvey Wallbanger punch in a hotel hospitality room!

    I think I slept on the floor of Kean's room, or somebody's room. Not because I was drunk, but because the hotel had overbooked and screwed up the reservations, and I didn't have any room at all. Ah, to be young & irresponsible again. Now I'm just old & irresponsible. icon_sad.gif


    "So was I, while in college. Along with Thomas Kean, future New Jersey Governor"

    I was in with John Kasich, although he was a year older. Plus I was very very very much out. No reaction from Kasich except that I think he enjoyed watching me needle others with my queerness.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Nov 13, 2015 2:38 PM GMT
    DefensiveEnd said
    Art_Deco saidI smell a Republican agenda here. The same one that's trying to disenfranchise college students from voting on their campuses.

    Studies have shown college-age voters tend to vote more liberal. And the Republican Party has engaged in a nationwide effort to either disqualify outright, or to impose barriers upon, demographic groups they believe are less likely to vote for them. This proposal would follow that policy.

    I've lived in several college towns and it's always a battle when college kids want to register and vote in local elections. They don't have the best interests of the town and its future at heart. Almost all are there for nine months, gone for the summer and so on until they graduate and leave for good, all the while being claimed as dependents by their parents. Imagine a fundamentalist Christian university setting up in wherever it is you live and all the students want to register to vote there leading to your town council, town policy, etc. being dictated by a bunch of fundamentalist kids. Not such a good idea when you flip the script, eh?


    Interesting idea. Wonder if Liberty University would be interested in a branch campus in Wilton Manors?