Rude Awakening Concerning Homeless People Last Night

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    Nov 13, 2015 6:03 PM GMT
    I have always given money to certain homeless people.....the ones who I feel really need it or have a certain look about them (a lot of emotional reasoning I know.) But something happened last night that really ruined my night and caused me to look at homeless people entirely differently......

    A friend of mine recently confided in me that he's addicted to Heroin. I was completely shocked as he doesn't strike me as "that type." He asked if he could stay with me and go with me everywhere for a week so I could help keep him away from it until he stopped going through withdrawals which I've been happy to do.

    One of the things he wanted to do right away was pay off his drug dealer because he didn't want that hanging over his head. But his phone died and he didn't have the guy's number so he asked me to take him around town so he could get the number from other addicts who might have his number.

    As I drove him to all of these places it was clear all of these people were homeless. He told me every homeless person on the street is on Heroin. I protested that surely not every single homeless person was an addict but he soon proved me wrong. We walked up to this 19 year old girl who was holding a sign that said "6 months pregnant and just need a break. Hungry." He introduced me to her but she looked embarrassed when she realized I have given her money many times. When he asked her for the number of the drug dealer she flipped her cardboard sign over and there was scribbled the names and phone numbers of several drug dealers. But she didn't have his. As we were leaving my friend gave her two cigarettes. I chewed him out for giving a pregnant girl cigarettes but he told me she does $150.00 a day in Heroin and that a couple of cigarettes weren't going to make any difference. I immediately got very depressed and angry.

    We then stopped at the grocery store but I told him I would wait outside. I walked across the street to a homeless guy that looked particularly desperate. His sign said "Not a junkie. Just need money for food." So I walked over to him (probably in part to feel better about the pregnant girl) and asked him what happened. He said his business partner took all his money and he wound up on the street. I gave him a few bucks and wished him well. I then realized there was something I wanted from the store so as my buddy was coming out I went in and told him I'd be right out. When I came out, my friend was talking to the "not a junkie" dude I had just given money to. As I approached them, I could hear them talking about drug dealers and how to find this guy. The guy's sign was a total lie. My friend told me the guy has been on Heroin for over a year and spends all the money he collects on it.

    I took him to many different places before he got this drug dealer's number. And each place we went there were people I had given money to that were actively doing Heroin. I was so depressed I almost cried. So what he told me about all the homeless people being on Heroin was not an exaggeration after all.

    I feel like going up to the pregnant girl and slapping her across the face for doing this to her unborn child but my friend says she's only 19 and probably has nobody to support her. I really just feel so sad right now. I feel like I should do something to help these people but I have no idea what. icon_neutral.gif
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    Nov 13, 2015 6:09 PM GMT
    Don't give money to beggars - give it to charities that really help them out.

    Are you an aspiring screenwriter?

    Why does tale this remind me of the story of meeting a movie star in a gay venue (baths? bar?) and touring around with him for a while, complete with a cadre of bodyguards?

    Maybe my memory is just fading.

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    Nov 13, 2015 6:12 PM GMT
    I think it's a real black eye on our country that a lot of these homeless Heroin addicts are also veterans.
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    Nov 13, 2015 6:16 PM GMT
    DefensiveEnd saidI think it's a real black eye on our country that a lot of these homeless Heroin addicts are also veterans.



    Yeah, that's another thing I didn't mention but my post was already so long I left it out. Two of the people we saw were holding up signs saying they were veterans. And I've given money and a sandwich to one of them in the past.
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    Nov 13, 2015 6:19 PM GMT
    DefensiveEnd saidI think it's a real black eye on our country that a lot of these homeless Heroin addicts are also veterans.


    Does being a veteran entitle someone to endless second chances in a way being a civilian does not?
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    Nov 13, 2015 6:20 PM GMT
    maybe the solution is to offer free (and purely refined) heroin to every adult that wants it. They wouldn't have to beg or steal for it, and overdoses would be very infrequent.

    A lot of kids get hooked on opiate pills they steal from their parents medicine cabinets, and then find that heroin is way cheaper to buy on the street. that seems to be the current trend, anyway (Doesn't explain the use among the homeless, however).
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    Nov 13, 2015 6:21 PM GMT
    I stopped giving money to homeless people years ago because of an a similar experience. For me t ended up being my boyfriend who was addicted to crack. I was so naive when I met him. I had no idea anyone that huge, 6'2 240 very muscular, could be a crack addict. In trying to help him I realized a lot of homeless people are drug addicts and I don't want to add to their misery. Some people create little bags with essential items like water, food, toothpaste... However I am sure many simply sell these to other homeless people for drug money as well.
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    Nov 13, 2015 6:22 PM GMT
    MrFuscle said
    DefensiveEnd saidI think it's a real black eye on our country that a lot of these homeless Heroin addicts are also veterans.


    Does being a veteran entitle someone to endless second chances in a way being a civilian does not?



    I don't think that's what he was trying to say. I think he's saying they've served our country which normally commands a bit more respect and gratitude than the average joe. Many of these vets have PTSD and other emotional issues due to their service, so yes I think they deserve a bit more gratitude.
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    Nov 13, 2015 6:23 PM GMT
    MrFuscle said
    DefensiveEnd saidI think it's a real black eye on our country that a lot of these homeless Heroin addicts are also veterans.


    Does being a veteran entitle someone to endless second chances in a way being a civilian does not?

    I don't believe in endless anything (except the fries at Red Robin) but I think we as a country should do a better job of taking care of those who sacrificed for our benefit.
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    Nov 13, 2015 6:27 PM GMT
    MrFuscle saidI stopped giving money to homeless people years ago because of an a similar experience. For me t ended up being my boyfriend who was addicted to crack. I was so naive when I met him. I had no idea anyone that huge, 6'2 240 very muscular, could be a crack addict. In trying to help him I realized a lot of homeless people are drug addicts and I don't want to add to their misery. Some people create little bags with essential items like water, food, toothpaste... However I am sure many simply sell these to other homeless people for drug money as well.

    Yikes! Forget that remark I made in your other thread about letting a crackhead move into your apartment. I had no idea I was hitting so close to home.
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    Nov 13, 2015 6:30 PM GMT
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    MrFuscle said
    DefensiveEnd saidI think it's a real black eye on our country that a lot of these homeless Heroin addicts are also veterans.


    Does being a veteran entitle someone to endless second chances in a way being a civilian does not?



    I don't think that's what he was trying to say. I think he's saying they've served our country which normally commands a bit more respect and gratitude than the average joe. Many of these vets have PTSD and other emotional issues due to their service, so yes I think they deserve a bit more gratitude.


    What does this gratitude entail that they are not getting? Should I give money to every homeless veteran in order to show my gratitude. Not all service members end up homeless drug addicts. Some homeless people lie about serving in order to turn that gratitude into sympathy, which leads to cash, which leads to more drugs. One off the last homeless people I ever gave anything to claimed to be a The dude actually started stalking me on my way home from work asking me for money. I found it odd that in four months he never lost any weight despite his claims of how horrible the U.S. government had treated him after his years of service and his dire circumstances.
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    Nov 13, 2015 6:31 PM GMT
    I certainly never give money to the homeless anymore, what I do from time to time is to give them food. I had made an exception in the past with this very old lady that was almost blind that begged near my workplace, I guess she kinda reminded me of my grandma or something so I gave her change everytime I saw her until I found out her gran child or similar collected her money every night. I never gave money to the homeless again. I prefer to help stray animals than humans and thats usually what I do.
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    Nov 13, 2015 6:33 PM GMT
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    MrFuscle saidI stopped giving money to homeless people years ago because of an a similar experience. For me t ended up being my boyfriend who was addicted to crack. I was so naive when I met him. I had no idea anyone that huge, 6'2 240 very muscular, could be a crack addict. In trying to help him I realized a lot of homeless people are drug addicts and I don't want to add to their misery. Some people create little bags with essential items like water, food, toothpaste... However I am sure many simply sell these to other homeless people for drug money as well.

    Yikes! Forget that remark I made in your other thread about letting a crackhead move into your apartment. I had no idea I was hitting so close to home.


    Too bad this crackhead makes nearly three times as much as I do. Then again anyone in his industry is banks. LOL I'm happy I'm able to take your shade in stride even though you look way too old to be throwing shade at people looking for advice. At least you prove that cattiness isn't just a fem trait.
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    Nov 13, 2015 6:34 PM GMT
    HikerSkier saidDon't give money to beggars - give it to charities that really help them out.

    Are you an aspiring screenwriter?

    Why does tale this remind me of the story of meeting a movie star in a gay venue (baths? bar?) and touring around with him for a while, complete with a cadre of bodyguards?

    Maybe my memory is just fading.


    It's easier said than done that you're not going to give a homeless person anything. When you walk or drive by the same people every day and don't know how they ended up in that circumstance it's easy enough to slip them $5 or $10 occasionally as a prayer of gratitude that there but for the grace of God go I. I'm a sucker for the ones with a dog.
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    Nov 13, 2015 6:40 PM GMT
    They aren't ALL junkies.

    I know a couple of old timers. One is Larry, a fixture on the block for 8 years I hear. He's proud, won't accept left over pizza LOL. He just hates society. Another was James a vet. A self avowed alky. I used to give him clothes and a buck or two. He usually kept himself clean and presentable. Other transients would steal his stuff. He'd occasionally come in as a customer and have a beer, tip even. But one time he came in soiled and smelly and the bartender threw him out. He was a nice guy with MANY physical and mental health issues. I tried to explain, told him he could come in on my shift, cleaned up. But he disappeared after that.

    But the rest seem to be meth heads. Some crazy people out there!
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    Nov 13, 2015 6:42 PM GMT
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    MrFuscle saidI stopped giving money to homeless people years ago because of an a similar experience. For me t ended up being my boyfriend who was addicted to crack. I was so naive when I met him. I had no idea anyone that huge, 6'2 240 very muscular, could be a crack addict. In trying to help him I realized a lot of homeless people are drug addicts and I don't want to add to their misery. Some people create little bags with essential items like water, food, toothpaste... However I am sure many simply sell these to other homeless people for drug money as well.

    Yikes! Forget that remark I made in your other thread about letting a crackhead move into your apartment. I had no idea I was hitting so close to home.


    Too bad this crackhead makes nearly three times as much as I do. Then again anyone in his industry is banks. LOL I'm happy I'm able to take your shade in stride even though you look way too old to be throwing shade at people looking for advice. At least you prove that cattiness isn't just a fem trait.

    Shut up you damn drama queen. Nobody was throwing any shade at you.
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    Nov 13, 2015 6:42 PM GMT
    Homeless people come in all shapes and forms. I know because I used to be one of them. It's pretty hard to distinguish the genuine. It's even harder to realize that some are beyond any help you could give them. It taught me a lot about life. Definitely changed the way I view things.
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    Nov 13, 2015 6:43 PM GMT
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    HikerSkier saidDon't give money to beggars - give it to charities that really help them out.

    Are you an aspiring screenwriter?

    Why does tale this remind me of the story of meeting a movie star in a gay venue (baths? bar?) and touring around with him for a while, complete with a cadre of bodyguards?

    Maybe my memory is just fading.


    It's easier said than done that you're not going to give a homeless person anything. When you walk or drive by the same people every day and don't know how they ended up in that circumstance it's easy enough to slip them $5 or $10 occasionally as a prayer of gratitude that there but for the grace of God go I. I'm a sucker for the ones with a dog.


    We've got of those too, he has a well fed Akita. He's a Meth head though.

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    Nov 13, 2015 6:50 PM GMT
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    DefensiveEnd said
    MrFuscle saidI stopped giving money to homeless people years ago because of an a similar experience. For me t ended up being my boyfriend who was addicted to crack. I was so naive when I met him. I had no idea anyone that huge, 6'2 240 very muscular, could be a crack addict. In trying to help him I realized a lot of homeless people are drug addicts and I don't want to add to their misery. Some people create little bags with essential items like water, food, toothpaste... However I am sure many simply sell these to other homeless people for drug money as well.

    Yikes! Forget that remark I made in your other thread about letting a crackhead move into your apartment. I had no idea I was hitting so close to home.


    Too bad this crackhead makes nearly three times as much as I do. Then again anyone in his industry is banks. LOL I'm happy I'm able to take your shade in stride even though you look way too old to be throwing shade at people looking for advice. At least you prove that cattiness isn't just a fem trait.

    Shut up you damn drama queen. Nobody was throwing any shade at you.
    You-came-to-the-wrong-neighborhood-nigga


    Girl please accept that you are just as shadey as the next queen and move on with your life. Nothing more pathetic than someone throwing shade but backing down when called on it.
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    Nov 13, 2015 6:53 PM GMT
    Why are you on my radar today, Mr. Fugly?
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    Nov 13, 2015 6:54 PM GMT
    Oops. Mr. Fuscles. No shade intended brother, no shade intended.
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    Nov 13, 2015 6:56 PM GMT
    DefensiveEnd saidWhy are you on my radar today, Mr. Fugly?


    I'm just posting in the forums. You personally don't matter to me. You just happen to be here as well.
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    Nov 13, 2015 7:01 PM GMT
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    DefensiveEnd saidWhy are you on my radar today, Mr. Fugly?


    I'm just posting in the forums. You personally don't matter to me. You just happen to be here as well.

    Excellent answer. Peace be with you my child.
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    Nov 13, 2015 8:30 PM GMT
    Not directed at anyone in particular. But does being a drug addict mean that they do not deserve food or help? Should they be ignored if they do drugs?
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    Nov 13, 2015 8:39 PM GMT
    i don't give anything to anyone, people should give things to me A-Muppets-Christmas-Carol-1442544906.gif