Religion of Peace?

  • Patrocles

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    Nov 15, 2015 4:33 PM GMT
    I do not mean to insinuate hatred or pour oil into the fire of xenophobia, but surely islam in its current state has to morph to accommodate the reality of the 21st century. For starters, suicide is a mortal sin from which there is no atonement in islam. Do we see mullahs condemning it everywhere? No. Second, Sharia forbids to harm those who do not bear arms. Do we see this brought up by mullahs of either islamic confession as an abhorrent act? Nope. Third, the islam openly calls for war for spread of religion and if Ummah is threatened. According to the law of any secular society (US and Europe, etc) any religion that calls for violence let alone war is prohibited. Do we see american or european leaders pushing for correction of those issues that contradict their legal system? Nope...
    I remember some years ago synagogues were bombed in Istanbul and then prime minister Erdogan got all mullahs together and said that whether they want it or not they had to condemn it publicly and declare such act as incompatible with Islamic values. And so the did. Recent toppling of muslim brotherhood in Egypt also shows that there are healthy trends in the islamic countries, but they mostly occur as a push from the secular part of the population.
    I hope that European leaders will step away from their bigotry and call things the way they are without being politically correct. Changes are needed for the western society's very survival. The issue of refugees should also be addressed in a different way as opposed to accommodating them in large numbers just to see them taking over. Did anyone wonder why China (or Russia) does not take any refugees from Middle East, neither they want to go there.. There is a reason for that.. Well please share your thoughts and think about how fragile we all are.
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    Nov 15, 2015 5:15 PM GMT
    the OP is way too into this, another troll and fodder for the ignore list
    who is Sharia and or what is a mullahs

    for me, big dont care.
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    Nov 15, 2015 6:19 PM GMT
    KILL THEM ALL, send them ALL home!.....they KILL the innocent, they KILL those that don't share their Religion, they KILL those that don't have a stake in the fight, they KILL because it is shocking, they kill for pleasure, they KILL for attention, they KILL for no reason at all.....ALL in the name of "Allah"... FUCK THEM! They want to strap on bomb packs ans commit suicide?.....a nice small mushroom cloud for each of them at home. This "religion" and "culture" is a relic from a barbaric time in history....It needs to be erased....I wonder if my hyperbole will be understood?icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Nov 15, 2015 6:36 PM GMT
    As an American who has lived/worked in Saudia Arabia gaining at least a limited insight in to the Arabic and Islamic mind set, and has also held elected office in Washington, DC, with the added insight in to how American politics and governance actually work, I must commend the OP. His exposition is one of the more rational, cogent, approaches I've encountered with all the commentary currently circulating after the Paris tragedies.

    While our Tea Party/Republican pundits won't stop screaming long enough to hear it, we can't bomb much of the world in to submission any more than we should be cowed by those attempting to intimidate us. Rather, we need to (forcefully) enlist the sensible Middle Eastern and Islamic leaders in stepping up their efforts against ISIL and in conveying to their own constituents that ending the world in the name of religion is counter to their own interests and teachings.
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    Nov 15, 2015 7:08 PM GMT
    Sporty_G saidKILL THEM ALL, send them ALL home!.....they KILL the innocent, they KILL those that don't share their Religion, they KILL those that don't have a stake in the fight, they KILL because it is shocking, they kill for pleasure, they KILL for attention, they KILL for no reason at all.....ALL in the name of "Allah"... FUCK THEM! They want to strap on bomb packs ans commit suicide?.....a nice small mushroom cloud for each of them at home. This "religion" and "culture" is a relic from a barbaric time in history....It needs to be erased....I wonder if my hyperbole will be understood?icon_rolleyes.gif


    They are killing them. Over 4 million Muslims have been killed by western attacks on Middle Eastern soil since 1990. The turmoil the Middle East is literally breeding insanity amongst its people because the west won't stop terrorizing them. This attack on France will conveniently push us into Syria even more too, I'm sure. Don't act like the American military doesn't rely on the Muslim hating, patriotic Christians to fight the "war on terror" - Western Extremism is killing far more than what these terrorist have commited on western soils. Just imagine if Muslims killed 4 million Americans on US soil. Maybe then what you say could be credible but you're acting like any mainstream thinker being spoonfed by the political trolls, feeding into the anti-Muslim agenda. This is why we're still here dealing with ploys like ISIS and accepting everything as truth. Yall are just repeating the same failures...
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    Nov 15, 2015 7:24 PM GMT
    Patrocles saidI do not mean to insinuate hatred or pour oil into the fire of xenophobia, but surely islam in its current state has to morph to accommodate the reality of the 21st century. For starters, suicide is a mortal sin from which there is no atonement in islam. Do we see mullahs condemning it everywhere? No. Second, Sharia forbids to harm those who do not bear arms. Do we see this brought up by mullahs of either islamic confession as an abhorrent act? Nope. Third, the islam openly calls for war for spread of religion and if Ummah is threatened. According to the law of any secular society (US and Europe, etc) any religion that calls for violence let alone war is prohibited. Do we see american or european leaders pushing for correction of those issues that contradict their legal system? Nope...
    I remember some years ago synagogues were bombed in Istanbul and then prime minister Erdogan got all mullahs together and said that whether they want it or not they had to condemn it publicly and declare such act as incompatible with Islamic values. And so the did. Recent toppling of muslim brotherhood in Egypt also shows that there are healthy trends in the islamic countries, but they mostly occur as a push from the secular part of the population.
    I hope that European leaders will step away from their bigotry and call things the way they are without being politically correct. Changes are needed for the western society's very survival. The issue of refugees should also be addressed in a different way as opposed to accommodating them in large numbers just to see them taking over. Did anyone wonder why China (or Russia) does not take any refugees from Middle East, neither they want to go there.. There is a reason for that.. Well please share your thoughts and think about how fragile we all are.


    What is your point?

    1st paragraph

    Islam needs to change.

    Suicide is a sin.

    My response:
    There is military suicide and there is civilian suicide.
    Civilian suicide is the sin.

    Your next point:

    Do not harm people who do not bear arms.

    Well, military technology is lop-sided.
    An enemy attacks by air.
    ISIS attacks by ground.

    ISIS is not a developed country with an air force on par with France or the United States.

    Your third point: Islam can spread its religion by way of war. Western secular societies do not spread their secular laws by war.

    Response: go read Confessions of an Economic Hitman and while you're gathering pre-requisite knowledge, read House of Bush, House of Saud by Unger and The New Pearl Harbor by Griffin.

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    Nov 15, 2015 7:29 PM GMT
    pellaz saidthe OP is way too into this, another troll and fodder for the ignore list
    who is Sharia and or what is a mullahs

    for me, big dont care.


    Main Stage Debate vs. Undercard Stage Debate

    With questions like, "Who is Sharia" and "What is a mullahs" and the phrase "Big dont [sic] care," you get a block profile and ignore all this member's forum posts.

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  • builtofbrick

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    Nov 15, 2015 8:23 PM GMT
    Christianity is supposed to be the "religion of love" but its anything but. all religion is archaic. just like the imaginary friend
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    Nov 15, 2015 9:50 PM GMT
    pellaz saidthe OP is way too into this, another troll and fodder for the ignore list
    who is Sharia and or what is a mullahs

    for me, big dont care.


    Besides stupid and mostly illiterate, you're really offensive, and now earn a place on my block list.

    Maybe you'll be next?

    http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

  • Patrocles

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    Nov 15, 2015 10:16 PM GMT
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    Patrocles saidI do not mean to insinuate hatred or pour oil into the fire of xenophobia, but surely islam in its current state has to morph to accommodate the reality of the 21st century. For starters, suicide is a mortal sin from which there is no atonement in islam. Do we see mullahs condemning it everywhere? No. Second, Sharia forbids to harm those who do not bear arms. Do we see this brought up by mullahs of either islamic confession as an abhorrent act? Nope. Third, the islam openly calls for war for spread of religion and if Ummah is threatened. According to the law of any secular society (US and Europe, etc) any religion that calls for violence let alone war is prohibited. Do we see american or european leaders pushing for correction of those issues that contradict their legal system? Nope...
    I remember some years ago synagogues were bombed in Istanbul and then prime minister Erdogan got all mullahs together and said that whether they want it or not they had to condemn it publicly and declare such act as incompatible with Islamic values. And so the did. Recent toppling of muslim brotherhood in Egypt also shows that there are healthy trends in the islamic countries, but they mostly occur as a push from the secular part of the population.
    I hope that European leaders will step away from their bigotry and call things the way they are without being politically correct. Changes are needed for the western society's very survival. The issue of refugees should also be addressed in a different way as opposed to accommodating them in large numbers just to see them taking over. Did anyone wonder why China (or Russia) does not take any refugees from Middle East, neither they want to go there.. There is a reason for that.. Well please share your thoughts and think about how fragile we all are.


    What is your point?

    1st paragraph

    Islam needs to change.

    Suicide is a sin.

    My response:
    There is military suicide and there is civilian suicide.
    Civilian suicide is the sin.

    Your next point:

    Do not harm people who do not bear arms.

    Well, military technology is lop-sided.
    An enemy attacks by air.
    ISIS attacks by ground.

    ISIS is not a developed country with an air force on par with France or the United States.

    Your third point: Islam can spread its religion by way of war. Western secular societies do not spread their secular laws by war.

    Response: go read Confessions of an Economic Hitman and while you're gathering pre-requisite knowledge, read House of Bush, House of Saud by Unger and The New Pearl Harbor by Griffin.



    It remarkable how you perfectly opened yourself up as an ISIS sympathizer. That is so obvious especially when you described modes of attack while comparing ISIS way of attacking to the one of the "enemy" obviously referring to the West here. I should also mention that your counterarguments to my points lay in completely different dimension whereas I was pointing out to the islamic philosophy that contradicted to their own actions and you were rather operating by "what's fair" approach

    Well, this is my respond to your "points"
    1. Though "military suicide" sounds more like a nonsense to anyone who has slightest understanding what military / combat action is. And even if one may arbitrarily agree to such term for the sake of the discussion for instance, these suicides were committed in the civilian setting against civilians by arguably civilians as well who were brainwashed.
    2. According to your twisted logic the West, or as you defined it the "enemy", should also operate by the same means, which is sending suicide bombers and terrorists to even out the play? Plus once again, my point had nothing to do with military technology or how lop-sided it is
    3. Please do not refer me to some info you came across from sporadic source that can hardly be referenced due to its biased view and conspiracy like claims. For the third time I have to repeat myself that whereas I was talking about some of the tenets of islamic philosophy you tend to once again mix in shady politics that had nothing to do with my point(s)

    So apply your knowledge and cite your sources in another debate that would be more applicable to what you are trying to say.
  • Patrocles

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    Nov 15, 2015 10:37 PM GMT
    BP201 said
    Sporty_G saidKILL THEM ALL, send them ALL home!.....they KILL the innocent, they KILL those that don't share their Religion, they KILL those that don't have a stake in the fight, they KILL because it is shocking, they kill for pleasure, they KILL for attention, they KILL for no reason at all.....ALL in the name of "Allah"... FUCK THEM! They want to strap on bomb packs ans commit suicide?.....a nice small mushroom cloud for each of them at home. This "religion" and "culture" is a relic from a barbaric time in history....It needs to be erased....I wonder if my hyperbole will be understood?icon_rolleyes.gif


    They are killing them. Over 4 million Muslims have been killed by western attacks on Middle Eastern soil since 1990. The turmoil the Middle East is literally breeding insanity amongst its people because the west won't stop terrorizing them. This attack on France will conveniently push us into Syria even more too, I'm sure. Don't act like the American military doesn't rely on the Muslim hating, patriotic Christians to fight the "war on terror" - Western Extremism is killing far more than what these terrorist have commited on western soils. Just imagine if Muslims killed 4 million Americans on US soil. Maybe then what you say could be credible but you're acting like any mainstream thinker being spoonfed by the political trolls, feeding into the anti-Muslim agenda. This is why we're still here dealing with ploys like ISIS and accepting everything as truth. Yall are just repeating the same failures...


    I have to agree with you that Middle East has been played as a hot card for way too long way too often. Even though i doubt the number of those killed as you quoted. I surely can see for example how russians could be accomplices to this attack for they are the ones who stand to gain the most out of it. Yes, the West would be better off getting the hell out of there and mind its own business, but that is beyond achievable.
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    Nov 15, 2015 10:51 PM GMT
    builtofbrick saidChristianity is supposed to be the "religion of love" but its anything but. all religion is archaic. just like the imaginary friend


    If I had to make a choice between the two, I'd prefer to take my chances with Christianity rather then Islam, thank you very much.
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    Nov 16, 2015 1:01 AM GMT
    Patrocles saidI do not mean to insinuate hatred or pour oil into the fire of xenophobia, but surely islam in its current state has to morph to accommodate the reality of the 21st century. For starters, suicide is a mortal sin from which there is no atonement in islam. Do we see mullahs condemning it everywhere? No. Second, Sharia forbids to harm those who do not bear arms. Do we see this brought up by mullahs of either islamic confession as an abhorrent act? Nope. Third, the islam openly calls for war for spread of religion and if Ummah is threatened. According to the law of any secular society (US and Europe, etc) any religion that calls for violence let alone war is prohibited. Do we see american or european leaders pushing for correction of those issues that contradict their legal system? Nope...
    I remember some years ago synagogues were bombed in Istanbul and then prime minister Erdogan got all mullahs together and said that whether they want it or not they had to condemn it publicly and declare such act as incompatible with Islamic values. And so the did. Recent toppling of muslim brotherhood in Egypt also shows that there are healthy trends in the islamic countries, but they mostly occur as a push from the secular part of the population.
    I hope that European leaders will step away from their bigotry and call things the way they are without being politically correct. Changes are needed for the western society's very survival. The issue of refugees should also be addressed in a different way as opposed to accommodating them in large numbers just to see them taking over. Did anyone wonder why China (or Russia) does not take any refugees from Middle East, neither they want to go there.. There is a reason for that.. Well please share your thoughts and think about how fragile we all are.


    Your post is well balanced and objective. Unfortunately there are people who judge Islam by the uncivilized and barbaric actions of a minority of Muslims.

    The media do not cover Muslim leaders who decry barbaric behavior. Thus, many people are unaware of the existence of a large number of Muslims who object to such behavior. That should not be surprising since reporting on a Mulla's sermon eschewing warlike behavior would be less attention-grabbing than reporting on beheadings, bombings, etc.
  • builtofbrick

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    Nov 16, 2015 1:14 AM GMT
    UndercoverMan said
    builtofbrick saidChristianity is supposed to be the "religion of love" but its anything but. all religion is archaic. just like the imaginary friend


    If I had to make a choice between the two, I'd prefer to take my chances with Christianity rather then Islam, thank you very much.


    why choose either?
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    Nov 16, 2015 1:27 AM GMT
    builtofbrick said
    UndercoverMan said
    builtofbrick saidChristianity is supposed to be the "religion of love" but its anything but. all religion is archaic. just like the imaginary friend


    If I had to make a choice between the two, I'd prefer to take my chances with Christianity rather then Islam, thank you very much.


    why choose either?


    I meant to have to live among. I didn't mean to join. But if I was forced to choose one to join, it would be Christianity.
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    Nov 16, 2015 1:42 AM GMT
    pellaz saidthe OP is way too into this, another troll and fodder for the ignore list
    who is Sharia and or what is a mullahs

    for me, big dont care.


    Hillary doesn't care either, she thinks global warming is the cause and the problem can be solved with higher utility and energy taxes.

    Here's her blathering at 54:30;



    ISIS has infiltrated the Syrian refugees in France and at last nights debate, Hillary still wants to import 65,000 of them to the US.

    The FBI Director already testified to Congress that the refugees can not be properly vetted.
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    Nov 16, 2015 3:04 AM GMT
    Patrocles

    Though "military suicide" sounds more like a nonsense to anyone who has slightest understanding what military / combat action is.

    Stephenoabc

    It's not nonsense to decorated U.S. soldiers who gave their lives to save others.

    Even in Ancient Roman warfare, there is the sacrifice of life so others may win the war.

    Third, look at WWII with kamikaze attacks.

    No one agrees with your call of nonsense. You are the one who does not have an understanding of military history.

    Patrocles

    These suicides were committed in the civilian setting against civilians--

    Stephenoabc

    And France's flyovers never hit a civilian? Just in the last 30-60 days, a US flyover hit an Afghan hospital with Doctors without Borders in it. Flyovers hit civilians.

    Second, today, France dropped 20 bombs in retaliation.

    Third, it is a fact that France's foreign policy includes military action against ISIS.

    France, which has been hit by deadly terror attacks twice this year, is paying the price for its front-line role in combating Islamic militants.

    French special forces have been tracking Islamist militants in the Sahara since 2013. France was the first European country to join the U.S. air strikes on Islamic State in Iraq last year and is the only European country to join the U.S. in air strikes in Syria.


    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-11-14/france-pays-price-for-front-line-role-from-syria-to-west-africa

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    Nov 16, 2015 3:14 AM GMT
    In the year since airstrikes against Islamic State militants began, American pilots have assumed a huge bulk of the war effort. [As of Sept 2015] They have conducted more than 4,700 airstrikes since August 2014 — 87 percent of the manned flights by the American-led coalition — and provided air support for Iraqi security forces and Kurdish pesh merga fighters on the ground.

    Beyond that, Islamic State militants in Iraq and Syria are often in heavily populated civilian areas, which limits the air war to small, remote targets: single trucks, weapons caches and even individual machine guns.

    Despite the precautions the pilots say they take, there are civilian casualties from airstrikes, although the number is in deep dispute. Officials with United States Central Command, which oversees American military operations in the Middle East, recently said that they had received reports of 31 episodes involving civilian casualties since the airstrikes began, and had dismissed 17 as not credible, with six still under investigation. One report, investigated for more than six months, led Centcom officials to conclude that two children were probably killed by a coalition airstrike.

    Monitoring groups say the command’s figures are a gross understatement.

    quote above is from an article by Helene Cooper/NYT
  • oldfart

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    Nov 16, 2015 3:28 AM GMT
    Religion is an opiate for people.

    In the Levant, some of the poor and struggling - especially desperate young people - turn to its extremists. So they join jihad.

    But note in this country there are those who also turn to fundamentalist Christianity, and want to foist it on everyone else because of the intensity of *their* belief.

    If this is an addiction, then bombing is probably not an effective solution. Nor other forms of reciprocity.

    The bombing in Paris is savagery. What do we do with savages, and their recruitment efforts?
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    oldfart saidReligion is an opiate for people.

    In the Levant, some of the poor and struggling - especially desperate young people - turn to its extremists. So they join jihad.

    But note in this country there are those who also turn to fundamentalist Christianity, and want to foist it on everyone else because of the intensity of *their* belief.

    If this is an addiction, then bombing is probably not an effective solution. Nor other forms of reciprocity.

    The bombing in Paris is savagery. What do we do with savages, and their recruitment efforts?


    What we DON'T do is invite the savages into our borders and citizens that leave our country to assist the savages should be stripped of their citizenship and their passports revoked and not let back into the country. That seems like common sense to me.
  • Patrocles

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    Nov 16, 2015 4:38 AM GMT
    StephenOABC saidPatrocles

    Though "military suicide" sounds more like a nonsense to anyone who has slightest understanding what military / combat action is.

    Stephenoabc

    It's not nonsense to decorated U.S. soldiers who gave their lives to save others.

    Even in Ancient Roman warfare, there is the sacrifice of life so others may win the war.

    Third, look at WWII with kamikaze attacks.

    No one agrees with your call of nonsense. You are the one who does not have an understanding of military history.

    Patrocles

    These suicides were committed in the civilian setting against civilians--

    Stephenoabc

    And France's flyovers never hit a civilian? Just in the last 30-60 days, a US flyover hit an Afghan hospital with Doctors without Borders in it. Flyovers hit civilians.

    Second, today, France dropped 20 bombs in retaliation.

    Third, it is a fact that France's foreign policy includes military action against ISIS.

    France, which has been hit by deadly terror attacks twice this year, is paying the price for its front-line role in combating Islamic militants.

    French special forces have been tracking Islamist militants in the Sahara since 2013. France was the first European country to join the U.S. air strikes on Islamic State in Iraq last year and is the only European country to join the U.S. in air strikes in Syria.


    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-11-14/france-pays-price-for-front-line-role-from-syria-to-west-africa



    StephenOABC,

    you still did not get, but that's ok... I asked everyone to share their thoughts and you did so as well

    And even though I would greatly deviate from my own subject I would like to add to what you presented: I do believe that taliban should have been uprooted the next day the blew up those thousand year old Buddha statues for they committed a crime against humanity. And I don't even have to elaborate further on their atrocities. Yet West waited till they brought fire onto us.. I also think that ISIS has to be eradicated for it is simply incompatible with current worldwide accepted norms of morality even islamic one. If you are such a strategist you should know that only naive one would wait until the war knocks on his door, but the wise one will preempt it with proactive move. Yet apparently you are the one who may think somewhat otherwise. I fear though that you may also follow your heart one day and join them to fight "the enemy" I would agree with you on one thing: it's messed up beyond anything. Please see my response to BP201 above. Enough said..
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    Nov 17, 2015 1:33 AM GMT
    September 27, 2015

    (CNN)The French military has carried out its first airstrikes against ISIS in Syria, according to a statement from the office of France's presidency.

    The country had announced earlier this month that it would expand its aerial campaign against ISIS in Iraq -- which it began a year ago -- to include the militant group's positions in Syria.

    The French president's office said that the strikes in Syria, which began Sunday, were based on intelligence gathered from air surveillance operations conducted over Syria during the past two weeks.

    "Our country confirms its firm commitment to the fight against the terrorist threat Daesh," the statement said, using the Arabic acronym for ISIS. "We will strike whenever our national security is at stake."

    President Francois Hollande, speaking on the sidelines of the U.N. General Assembly in New York, described the camp as a "threat to our country."

    "We reached our goal and the whole training camp was destroyed," Hollande said.

    Six aircraft were used in the mission, which was led by the French but closely coordinated with the U.S.-led coalition, he said.

    Despite the "horrible acts" committed by ISIS, Hollande placed the blame for the Syrian crisis on the country's long time strongman Bashar al-Assad.

    "Bashar al Assad is the main person at fault, although Daesh commits horrible acts," Hollande said. "The future of Syria cannot happen with Bashar al Assad."

    String of terrorist attacks

    France has been the site of a number of terrorist attacks this year.

    Islamic extremists killed 17 people in a quick succession of attacks in Paris in January, including the shooting deaths of staff members in the offices of the satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo.

    In June, authorities said a man in southeastern France decapitated his boss, displayed the severed head with Islamist banners and also set off an explosion in a factory. And last month, three American men brought down a suspected terrorist gunman who tried to open fire on a train bound for France.

    But France has also linked the refugee crisis Europe is facing in part to ISIS, saying it would strike the group for driving thousands of civilians out of Syria. "We're not going to receive 4 to 5 million Syrians, so the problem has to be dealt with at source," French Prime Minister Manuel Valls told CNN's Christiane Amanpour.

    France has been in talks with Russia about a political solution in Syria.

    "Russia supports the regime of Bashar (al) Assad. But it also wants to find a political solution. And anyway, there will not be any political solution without a dialogue with all of the parties who directly or indirectly are involved with Syria," Valls said.

    France also planned to hold talks about Syria with Iranian President Hassan Rouhani.

    CNN's Mike Krever contributed to this report.

    http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/27/middleeast/syria-france-isis-bombing/

    And Patrocles, I'm an informed Christian, not a Muslim. That's the only response I'm giving to your assertion that barely needs to be dignified with a response from me.
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    Nov 17, 2015 1:41 AM GMT
    Someone I spoke with today said there are three types of bombs that can be used in a flyover:

    1) Least expensive / least precise - a bomb whose destination is based on where it is released from the plane

    2) Less expensive / less precise - a bomb with a programmed destination

    3) Expensive / precise - a bomb with a destination and a camera (somewhat of a guided drone bomb )

    The above can be rewritten with "more" and "most".

    That was a sidebar to our discussion but the takeaway, in reference to civilian casualties and missed targets, was not to think France and the US were only using the most expensive bomb/s in flyovers.

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    Nov 17, 2015 1:46 AM GMT
    Patrocles

    2. According to your twisted logic the West, or as you defined it the "enemy", should also operate by the same means, which is sending suicide bombers and terrorists to even out the play? Plus once again, my point had nothing to do with military technology or how lop-sided it is.

    Stephenoabc

    According to your twisted comprehension ...

    No, the West should not also operate by sending suicide bombers and terrorists to even out the play with ISIS.
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    Nov 17, 2015 1:57 AM GMT
    Patrocles

    3. Please do not refer me to some info you came across from sporadic source that can hardly be referenced due to its biased view and conspiracy like claims.

    Stephenoabc

    If you think the three books I referred you to are not well-researched, you are gravely mistaken.

    Patrocles

    Whereas I was talking about some of the tenets of islamic philosophy you tend to mix in politics that have nothing to do with my point(s).

    Stephenoabc

    Really? The Bush administration's foreign policy has nothing to do with what's going on now. icon_rolleyes.gif

    Second, there is diversity among radical Islamic political operatives, NPR reports.

    There is a diversity on Koranic values upheld.
    There is a diversity on how literal Koranic tenets are applied for political gain.