Evolution Is Finally Winning Out Over Creationism

  • metta

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    Nov 19, 2015 10:19 PM GMT
    Evolution Is Finally Winning Out Over Creationism


    A majority of young people endorse the scientific explanation of how humans evolved.

    "The people responsible for this shift are the young. According to a recent Pew Research Center report, 73 percent of American adults younger than 30 expressed some sort of belief in evolution, a jump from 61 percent in 2009, the first year in which the question was asked. The number who believed in purely secular evolution (that is, not directed by any divine power) jumped from 40 percent to a majority of 51 percent. In other words, if you ask a younger American how humans arose, you’re likely to get an answer that has nothing to do with God."

    http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2015/11/polls_americans_believe_in_evolution_less_in_creationism.html
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    metta saidEvolution Is Finally Winning Out Over Creationism


    A majority of young people endorse the scientific explanation of how humans evolved.

    "The people responsible for this shift are we who stuck to our guns, taught the truth and refused to give up on the young. According to a recent Pew Research Center report, 73 percent of American adults younger than 30 expressed some sort of belief in evolution, a jump from 61 percent in 2009, the first year in which the question was asked. The number who believed in purely secular evolution (that is, not directed by any divine power) jumped from 40 percent to a majority of 51 percent. In other words, if you ask a younger American how humans arose, you’re likely to get an answer that has nothing to do with God."

    http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2015/11/polls_americans_believe_in_evolution_less_in_creationism.html


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  • NealJohn

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    Nov 20, 2015 2:07 PM GMT
    The problem with this is that evolution is still a fairytale concocted by man to explain where he comes from. There is no concrete evidence it just sounds better than the stories of the Bible. If only men would start over and admit he has no idea where he comes from ,maybe then we would get to the truth.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Nov 20, 2015 2:20 PM GMT
    NealJohn saidThe problem with this is that evolution is still a fairytale concocted by man to explain where he comes from. There is no concrete evidence it just sounds better than the stories of the Bible. If only men would start over and admit he has no idea where he comes from ,maybe then we would get to the truth.
    Well if anything is a fairy tale, it is biblical creationism. The world was created in six days and God rested on the seventh, that is obviously a fairy tale. Same goes for Adam and Eve and Sodom and Gommorah they are all ancient fairy tales. This is where I strongly disagree with most conservatives especially religious conservatives.
  • bro4bro

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    Nov 20, 2015 6:27 PM GMT
    NealJohn saidThe problem with this is that evolution is still a fairytale concocted by man to explain where he comes from. There is no concrete evidence it just sounds better than the stories of the Bible. If only men would start over and admit he has no idea where he comes from ,maybe then we would get to the truth.


    Sorry, I don't follow your reasoning. Evolution is a theory derived from an analysis of all available data. You're suggesting we ignore all available data... and do what? How would we then "get to the truth"? What truth are you talking about?
  • FRE0

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    Nov 21, 2015 12:02 AM GMT
    Twenty five years ago it may have been possible to make a strong case against evolution. However, since then so many fossils have been found to support evolution that one must question the education or rationality of those who oppose evolution.
  • mont_33r

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    Nov 21, 2015 12:14 AM GMT
    FRE0 saidTwenty five years ago it may have been possible to make a strong case against evolution. However, since then so many fossils have been found to support evolution that one must question the education or rationality of those who oppose evolution.


    Agreed. A few years ago, a woman in my spin class saw that I was reading a science textbook. She bemoaned her lack of understanding of science and then proceeded to explain how she's part of a group that does scientific research to support creationism. And she proudly added, "And we're not supported by any school or government!" (Which I thought should tell her something.)

    I invoked the knowledge of scripture from my fundamentalist upbringing and explained how the book of Genesis contains two mutually exclusive accounts of creation. She didn't like that, saying that one version is the broad strokes and the other version is the specifics, and the two weren't meant to be compared.

    So rather than use science as tool to reveal the principles that life is based on, she wanted to distort science to confirm the findings she preferred. Unfortunately, no collection of fossils would ever sway her; God let Satan put those lies in the rock to test our faith. One of my fellow geology majors back in undergrad freely admitted that he was studying the field "just to find out what the Enemy thinks." It's voluntary chaos, when people choose to turn off rational thought. Are they entitled to their beliefs? No question. But they don't get to impose them on publicly funded education, either.
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    Nov 21, 2015 1:41 AM GMT
    NealJohn saidThe problem with this is that evolution is still a fairytale concocted by man to explain where he comes from. There is no concrete evidence it just sounds better than the stories of the Bible. If only men would start over and admit he has no idea where he comes from ,maybe then we would get to the truth.


    "fairytale concocted..."
    You can argue that because man proposed the Theory of Evolution, the theory is indeed a concoction by man. Since the theory has remained testable for nearly two centuries, however, suggests that it's one of man's greatest achievements.

    "no concrete evidence..."
    What evidence would you consider concrete? Like a fossil, perhaps?

    "sounds better..."
    If only that was the standard by which theories were tested, eh? Fortunately, we've also developed the Scientific Method, another of man's great achievements, to dispense with "intuition" and "what sounds reasonable" to the layman's ear. Of course the biblical account of creation sounds ridiculous, but that is hardly the method by which it's been dismissed.

    "start over..."
    What, and set fire to all the progress we've made?

    "get to the truth..."
    Is there something we're missing? Perhaps you have another method for revealing and discerning what truth is. Please share, because most people would like to know that.
  • FRE0

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    Nov 21, 2015 8:02 AM GMT
    One approach that people have used to deal with the two ( yes, there are two!) creation stories in Genesis is to allegorize them. That's the same approach that some of the ancient Greeks used to deal with the classical Greek religion as defined by Homer and Hesiod. I really don't care whether or not people do that, but it should be clear that the two creation stories cannot rationally be taken literally. There are people who take the two creation stories literally and assert that the devil put the fossils in place to mislead us. I see that as irrational.
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    Nov 21, 2015 6:45 PM GMT
    Intelligent, evolved ; ) Christians understand that Genesis and the creation stories contain kernels of truths but aren't meant to be a scientific treatises. None of the Bible or any religious scripture is meant to be a scientific treatise.
  • wild_sky360

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    Nov 21, 2015 7:08 PM GMT
    The unedited biblical texts actually infer genetic manipulation by advanced off planet beings, who were then erroneously referred to as (g)ods..plural. Monotheistic religion simply chose to ignore whatever didn't fit their agenda; much like contemporary fundamentalists of all stripes.

    The idea sounds preposterous to many. That would be understandable in prior centuries, but in this one, comparatively crude human beings who have barely explored their own solar system are doing as much with every category of life on earth.