World prepares grand alliance to "eradicate" Isis

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    Nov 19, 2015 11:37 PM GMT
    Exclusive: Draft resolution authorising ‘all necessary measures’ in Syria and Iraq could be adopted in days

    World powers are poised to forge a single resolution at the United Nations Security Council to declare a common war against Isis and “eradicate” jihadists in Iraq and Syria, The Independent understands.

    The attacks in Paris as well as the downing of the Russian jet over the Sinai Peninsula have galvanised a hitherto divided Security Council. And a new reality exists: with its alleged execution this week of a Chinese national, Isis has now slaughtered citizens of all five permanent Security Council members.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/politics/isis-world-powers-plan-united-nations-security-council-resolution-to-declare-war-against-group-in-a6741181.html

    Good news. I hope it comes to pass.

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    Nov 19, 2015 11:44 PM GMT
    Everyone now has skin in the game to defeat this cancer called ISIS.
  • peterstrong

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    Nov 20, 2015 4:01 PM GMT
    i hope so too - Isis is basically Saddam's old guys,
    we kicked them to the curb with no help after we toppled their former leader - great planning on the part of Bush / Cheney / Rumsfeld - NOT icon_twisted.gif

    they are not much different than the mexican southern drug cartel and Saudi Arabia as far as beheading people / seeking power, profit, and intimidation over basic humanity is always the game of "wanna be" or "have made it there already" tyrants



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    Nov 20, 2015 4:03 PM GMT
    When was the last time the permanent members of the UNSC agreed on anything? This could be very good in the fight against ISIL, but the West, China, and Russia must proceed carefully. The mere perception that the rest of the world is fighting Islam can serve as exactly the sort of recruiting tool that ISIL wants. It can inspire and attract a whole new army of radical extremists. ISIL wants a religious war, they want a war of cultures. If the conflict is not contained it could easily grow into that.

    Don't get me wrong, ISIL should be destroyed, utterly! But it has to be done in a way that does not inspire a whole new movement of terrorists.
  • peterstrong

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    Nov 20, 2015 4:16 PM GMT

    yes agreed jeep - but there is a very clear difference in western ideology of basic human rights, esp. those of women and LGBT and those that profess belief in Sharia law.

    Sharia law is not compatible with western democracy and anyone who follows it / believes in it should not be allowed into Europe or the United States. Anyone here already who calls for it or professes it must be deported without haste.


    That is not Islamophobia - this is common sense -
    Muslims who understand western democracy and share our belief in basic human rights are welcome here 9 ways to Sunday any day and everyday !

    No fair minded western biz owner is going to feel comfortable hiring a young Islamic guy or any aged guy who professes belief in Sharia law hence why they don't get much opportunity here in the west, referring to the Belgian slums that have produced many of these terrorist war criminals, like the ones who did the Paris carnage.





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    Nov 20, 2015 6:02 PM GMT
    I think ISIS, their potential recruits and the misguided fools who support this death cult tend to be impressed only by grand gestures and bold actions. I do not see how such a UNSC resolution could make matters worse and it will probably do a great deal of good.

    Any proposed UNSC resolution that endorses outside interference, particularly military interference, within the borders of a sovereign nation routinely encounters stiff resistance, usually from Russia or China. If this resolution passes, it will mark a major turning point in the war against ISIS. We already know ISIS are neither Islamic nor a state, but when this resolution passes, if they are not worried for their survival, they bloody well ought to be.
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    Nov 20, 2015 6:06 PM GMT
    Ex_Mil8 said... Good news. I hope it comes to pass.
    we are saved!
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    Nov 20, 2015 6:07 PM GMT
    One thing to keep in mind is that ISIS, like certain doomsday Christianity cults, believes in the destruction of mankind so their entire enterprise is suicidal. Thus, survival is not their end game.
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    Ex_Mil8 saidI think ISIS, their potential recruits and the misguided fools who support this death cult tend to be impressed only by grand gestures and bold actions. I do not see how such a UNSC resolution could make matters worse and it will probably do a great deal of good.

    Any proposed UNSC that endorses outside interference, particularly military interference, within the borders of a sovereign nation routinely encounters stiff resistance, usually from Russia or China. If this resolution passes, it will mark a major turning point in the war against ISIS. We already know ISIS are neither Islamic nor a state, but when this resolution passes, if they are not worried for their survival, they bloody well ought to be.


    "We already know ISIS are neither Islamic"

    Actually they are and happily kill anyone who professes to be any other religion.
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    Nov 20, 2015 6:12 PM GMT
    ^ They would be happy to kill any Muslims who do not subscribe to their doomsday beliefs.
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    Nov 20, 2015 6:14 PM GMT
    If survival isn't their end game, I doubt anyone is going to give them an argument on that score. As for their victims, they have, of course, murdered more Muslims than non-Muslims.

    ISIS’s Gruesome Muslim Death Toll
    The group’s killing of Westerners gets attention. But ISIS has killed far more Muslims, and publicizing that fact would harm it more.
    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/10/07/isis-s-gruesome-muslim-death-toll.html
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    Nov 20, 2015 6:21 PM GMT
    peterstrong said
    Sharia law is not compatible with western democracy and anyone who follows it / believes in it should not be allowed into Europe or the United States.


    True. The Western world has come so far in the last century - and even in the last year - with regard to basic human rights. It would be terrible to lose all that due to a huge influx of people with an antiquated, hate-driven belief system.
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    Nov 20, 2015 6:36 PM GMT
    "Exclusive: Draft resolution authorising ‘all necessary measures’ in Syria and Iraq could be adopted in days"

    Good luck...
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    Nov 20, 2015 7:08 PM GMT
    bro4bro said
    peterstrong said
    Sharia law is not compatible with western democracy and anyone who follows it / believes in it should not be allowed into Europe or the United States.


    True. The Western world has come so far in the last century - and even in the last year - with regard to basic human rights. It would be terrible to lose all that due to a huge influx of people with an antiquated, hate-driven belief system.


    And if we make a mistake and they're here and 'plant their seed' here, we're fucked. Not a damn thing we can do about it.

    I hate for it to end up like that Dearborn, MI vid I keep spamming.

    This one



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    Nov 20, 2015 7:38 PM GMT
    Small boy who donated his savings to vandalised mosque receives a generous thank you

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    Jack Swanson, the small boy from Texas who donated his savings to a local mosque which had been vandalised following the Paris attacks, has received a generous thank-you through the post.
    This week he received an iPad with a note saying: "Dear Jack, you had saved $20 in your piggybank for an Apple iPad. But then a local Islamic mosque was vandalised. So you donated your $20 to this local Texas mosque. Because of your amazing generosity & kind heart."
    "Please enjoy this Apple iPad with our sincere thanks :-). Love The American Muslim Community."

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/12008483/Small-boy-who-donated-his-savings-to-vandalised-mosque-receives-a-generous-thank-you.html
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    Nov 21, 2015 4:09 AM GMT
    These are good steps, but then what.....what are the long term plans of Syria, and Iraq so that the most moderate population takes reign of their own sovereignty and renounces using Islam as a weaponized weapon of terrorism?

    How we as Western nations help these Middle East populations to seek other avenues of reconciliation, discussion, and living with one another?

    How do we push for Saudi Arabia, Egypt, etc. to play a major role in the area and for them to denounce their own support of terrorist cells?

    Why is it that ISIS has had an incredible reach to the young and discontent in the social media, and turns these to their cause and turn away from their families, loved ones etc., and why is is it that Twitter, Instagram, Telegram, etc. apps companies have not done more to help down and shut down ISIS modes of communications?

    It shows that there are deeper roots of our society here that we are not addressing or willing to address. Education, employment, are venues that are non existent, depressed in these nations that are also havens for discontent and prime breeding grounds for terrorists to surface.

    I hear the voices of dropping bombs, obliterate them, retribution, etc., but we know from history this never succeeds - because one more evil group can take the banner of injustice - I am not advocating that justice should not bring these terrorists to justice, but we need to look at the long term future, not short term goals, with multinational troops on the ground and other resources. This also includes discussion with moderates in these countries that are advocating for change and to be included in the process. Also the atrocities that ISIS continues to do, and let's not forget the Yazidis who ISIS despise even further than othe Muslims, Christians, etc.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/07/who-yazidi-isis-iraq-religion-ethnicity-mountains
  • JackNNJ

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    Nov 21, 2015 4:14 AM GMT
    A sure-fire way to accomplish this would be to exterminate all Muslims. 'Course, a lot of people would say that's not very nice.
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    Nov 21, 2015 4:21 AM GMT
    Good-Bye Geneva convention rules......Nuke? More Bombs?



    http://www.geneva-academy.ch/RULAC/pdf/ICRC-Basic-Rules-in-the-1949-Geneva-Conventions-and-1977-Additional-Protocols.pdf
  • Apparition

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    Nov 21, 2015 5:07 AM GMT
    I think they are going to let china take point on this one.

    Reuters: today in saudi arabia, an industrial accident turned 150 miles centred on mecca into molten slag. An unnamed chinese nuclear power contractor says they are investigating the accident. This is the third time this week this has happened in the middle east.
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    Nov 21, 2015 7:31 AM GMT
    Ex_Mil8 saidExclusive: Draft resolution authorising ‘all necessary measures’ in Syria and Iraq could be adopted in days

    World powers are poised to forge a single resolution at the United Nations Security Council to declare a common war against Isis and “eradicate” jihadists in Iraq and Syria, The Independent understands.

    The attacks in Paris as well as the downing of the Russian jet over the Sinai Peninsula have galvanised a hitherto divided Security Council. And a new reality exists: with its alleged execution this week of a Chinese national, Isis has now slaughtered citizens of all five permanent Security Council members.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/politics/isis-world-powers-plan-united-nations-security-council-resolution-to-declare-war-against-group-in-a6741181.html

    Good news. I hope it comes to pass.



    Good news; however, the devil is in the details. It will be harder to get full agreement on exactly how to approach the problem. It has to be made inescapably clear that it is a war on ISIS and not on Islam else ISIS could use it to get more recruits. Also care must be taken to protect innocent people.
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    Nov 21, 2015 7:38 AM GMT
    peterstrong said
    yes agreed jeep - but there is a very clear difference in western ideology of basic human rights, esp. those of women and LGBT and those that profess belief in Sharia law.

    Sharia law is not compatible with western democracy and anyone who follows it / believes in it should not be allowed into Europe or the United States. Anyone here already who calls for it or professes it must be deported without haste.


    That is not Islamophobia - this is common sense -
    Muslims who understand western democracy and share our belief in basic human rights are welcome here 9 ways to Sunday any day and everyday !

    No fair minded western biz owner is going to feel comfortable hiring a young Islamic guy or any aged guy who professes belief in Sharia law hence why they don't get much opportunity here in the west, referring to the Belgian slums that have produced many of these terrorist war criminals, like the ones who did the Paris carnage.



    Actually, sharia law is not compatible with the thinking of many modern Muslims. Turkey has a secular government without sharia law even though it is a majority Muslim country. So, sharia, at least in its most draconian forms, is totally rejected by many Muslims just as we Christians have rejected much of Biblical OT law which would be just as bad as sharia.

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    Nov 21, 2015 7:47 AM GMT
    freedomisntfree said
    Ex_Mil8 saidI think ISIS, their potential recruits and the misguided fools who support this death cult tend to be impressed only by grand gestures and bold actions. I do not see how such a UNSC resolution could make matters worse and it will probably do a great deal of good.

    Any proposed UNSC that endorses outside interference, particularly military interference, within the borders of a sovereign nation routinely encounters stiff resistance, usually from Russia or China. If this resolution passes, it will mark a major turning point in the war against ISIS. We already know ISIS are neither Islamic nor a state, but when this resolution passes, if they are not worried for their survival, they bloody well ought to be.


    "We already know ISIS are neither Islamic"

    Actually they are and happily kill anyone who professes to be any other religion.


    Quite true. However, during the first Persian Gulf War I read the Quran to give me a better understanding of the people who live in that part of the world. Like the Bible, it is possible to pick and choose from the Quran to support opposing ideas.

    According to the Quran, Muslims are supposed to respect Christians and Jews as "people of the book". Christians and Jews are not, according to the Quran, to be considered as infidels. But, as we all know, that is not always followed.

    Moreover, according to the Quran, there is to be no compulsion in religion, but we also know that that is not always followed either. Also, one can find passages that support draconian actions against infidels although that does exclude Christians and Jews.

    Clever people can find support in the Quran for all sorts of barbaric actions; its all in how one picks and chooses.
  • FRE0

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    Nov 21, 2015 7:50 AM GMT
    Ex_Mil8 saidIf survival isn't their end game, I doubt anyone is going to give them an argument on that score. As for their victims, they have, of course, murdered more Muslims than non-Muslims.

    ISIS’s Gruesome Muslim Death Toll
    The group’s killing of Westerners gets attention. But ISIS has killed far more Muslims, and publicizing that fact would harm it more.
    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/10/07/isis-s-gruesome-muslim-death-toll.html


    Good point.

    In war, it is very important to use any means necessary to make one's position clear. Thus, over and over it should be made clear that ISIS is the enemy of Islam since by doing so it will be easier to get support from Muslims to defeat ISIS.
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    Nov 21, 2015 1:51 PM GMT
    ^
    Also, the great majority of people fighting ISIS in Syria are Sunni Muslims, so it is not even a sectarian polarization. The foundation of ISIS's power comes from politics, not religion.
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    Nov 21, 2015 2:07 PM GMT
    FRE0 said
    peterstrong said
    yes agreed jeep - but there is a very clear difference in western ideology of basic human rights, esp. those of women and LGBT and those that profess belief in Sharia law.

    Sharia law is not compatible with western democracy and anyone who follows it / believes in it should not be allowed into Europe or the United States. Anyone here already who calls for it or professes it must be deported without haste.


    That is not Islamophobia - this is common sense -
    Muslims who understand western democracy and share our belief in basic human rights are welcome here 9 ways to Sunday any day and everyday !

    No fair minded western biz owner is going to feel comfortable hiring a young Islamic guy or any aged guy who professes belief in Sharia law hence why they don't get much opportunity here in the west, referring to the Belgian slums that have produced many of these terrorist war criminals, like the ones who did the Paris carnage.



    Actually, sharia law is not compatible with the thinking of many modern Muslims. Turkey has a secular government without sharia law even though it is a majority Muslim country. So, sharia, at least in its most draconian forms, is totally rejected by many Muslims just as we Christians have rejected much of Biblical OT law which would be just as bad as sharia.

    Good, valid points. This is why I don't want to generalize all Muslims and all Arabic people as untrustworthy or as terrorists. My opposition to allowing these Syrian refugees is based on the facts that there is not enough background information on them and also the fact that the U.S. has enough of its own people to care for. It is also due to the unfortunate fact that there are sizable radical factions in this particular group of people that extreme caution must be exercised at all times when allowing immigrants into the U.S. I realize that it sounds xenophobic, but there has to be an effective method to weed out the fierce radicals from the masses or we will have very serious problems in the not too distant future.