Has anybody passed a kidney stone?

  • interestingch...

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    Nov 21, 2015 8:21 PM GMT
    I am interested in anyone who has passed a kidney stone and your experiences in what happened and how you were treated
    I was 28 when I had my first one, wasn't a good experience.
    I have got another one that got picked up in a scan, 4.6 mm, not looking forward to passing that although I have some options for treatment.
    I have heard that it is the worst pain known to Man, exceeding child birth, broken bones, gun shot wounds and any other type of pain, that I can believe too. It took me 7 hours to pass mine and I won't ever forget how painful it was. Is it normal to take that long to pass one and what happened?
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    Nov 21, 2015 8:26 PM GMT
    i guess it's how you like to call it - karma
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    Nov 21, 2015 8:51 PM GMT
    bonaparts saidi guess it's how you like to call it - karma


    Yeh, too much chocolate LOL
  • Floridaspeedo

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    Nov 21, 2015 9:31 PM GMT
    I have multiple times. Also have had the ultrasonic waves to break up the stones.

    I urge u to see a urologist. I take medication to reduce stone frequency

    Sometimes stones are diet related but other times family heredity.

    It is what it is
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    Nov 21, 2015 11:15 PM GMT
    Floridaspeedo saidI have multiple times. Also have had the ultrasonic waves to break up the stones.

    I urge u to see a urologist. I take medication to reduce stone frequency

    Sometimes stones are diet related but other times family heredity.

    It is what it is


    Yeh I haven't got anyone in my family that have ever had them before so its probably my diet, I have a urology appointment booked for march to do an ultrasound to see if its changed and then make a decision about it then, they were talking about laser surgery but you know that means a camera up the pee hole, don't think I can handle the embarrassment of that, it apparently is a more successful way of doing it , I am going to look at holistic ways to see if that works so will find out when I get the scan.
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    Nov 22, 2015 3:10 AM GMT
    A lot of them are caused by diet. To avoid them, if you have the propensity, you have to avoid eating a lot of things - worth researching.

    e.g., anything with oxalic acid - kale, spinach; and no cashews believe it or not.

    If you are going to pass another one, you might invest in some heavy duty opiate pain killer drugs.
  • interestingch...

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    Nov 22, 2015 7:56 AM GMT
    HikerSkier saidA lot of them are caused by diet. To avoid them, if you have the propensity, you have to avoid eating a lot of things - worth researching.

    e.g., anything with oxalic acid - kale, spinach; and no cashews believe it or not.

    If you are going to pass another one, you might invest in some heavy duty opiate pain killer drugs.


    That may be a good idea, I will talk to my Dr and see if I can get some, what worries me a little is if it decides to move while I am driving or doing something where it could cause an accident, you have no choice, you just double up into the fetal position and doing 90mph on the motorway wouldn't be great, that would result in a serious pile up.
  • hebrewman

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    Nov 22, 2015 2:16 PM GMT
    i strongly recommend that you follow up with a NEPHROLOGIST after your urology appointment. a nephrologist specializes in the kidney itself. this way you can cross reference any diagnosis. it could not hurt to get two opinions.
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    Nov 22, 2015 4:46 PM GMT
    I used to get them about every three years or so when I worked out at a club that had a great steam 'n' sauna, where I'd end each workout. Guess what? By dehydrating you, those two spas actually foster the growth of stones - and they ARE painful. I passed at least 3, but learned after the first one that the way to get them out of your ureter and bladder - which is where they cause the pain - and into your urethra, where you can painlessly piss them out, is to pace back and forth while drinking lots of water, tea, or some other diuretic (AZ green tea w/ ginseng works well for me) to expel them. If you can retrieve them, by all means do so and take them to your MD so he can study them and recommend any diet or behavioral changes that are in order. Good luck - those suckers DO hurt! icon_sad.gif
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    Nov 22, 2015 5:00 PM GMT
    My mother had one and said afterwards it was worse than all her childbirths combined. She has 13 children...
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    Nov 22, 2015 7:03 PM GMT
    Wyndahoi saidMy mother had one and said afterwards it was worse than all her childbirths combined. She has 13 children...


    LOL, 13 OMG,
    getting women to actually admit that is practically impossible so well done to you for getting that information out of her haha.
    I think the fact that women get pregnant more than once through choice says something about the fact that it can't be as bad as they say, I however never want to pass another stone, think I would rather cut a testicle off rather than go through that ever again LOL
  • hebrewman

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    Nov 22, 2015 7:52 PM GMT
    you still need to see the kidney physician. the place you DO NOT want to be is where i am now, at least temporarily and that is having a stent placed in the left kidney, running down the ureter and into the bladder. talk about pain. renal pain is the absolute worst. hands down. so get it checked out man.
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    Nov 22, 2015 7:56 PM GMT
    HEBREWMAN saidyou still need to see the kidney physician. the place you DO NOT want to be is where i am now, at least temporarily and that is having a stent placed in the left kidney, running down the ureter and into the bladder. talk about pain. renal pain is the absolute worst. hands down. so get it checked out man.


    Thanks, I will do that and find out what the reason for getting them is, I have heard that a stent is pretty uncomfortable and awful being put in and taken out which is done while you are awake and watching, don't think I can handle that kind of drama and embarrassment.
  • hebrewman

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    Nov 22, 2015 9:21 PM GMT
    my physician does not perform this procedure in his office or while you are awake. it's a surgical procedure that is done here, in alexandria, va, at the out patient surgical center. you go under for about an hour. the whole procedure lasts maybe 15 or 20 minutes. the old stent is slid out through the urethra and the new one is inserted the same way. either way, it sucks. this is my second one and i've fought it for the last 20 days. after the procedure, because part is in the kidney and part is in the bladder (it's a hook--google it....ureter stent). for a week after it felt like i was pissing acid. hopefully i will not have a 3rd. it is BEYOND uncomfortable.
    and most pain meds just don't really attack it.
  • interestingch...

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    Nov 22, 2015 11:42 PM GMT
    MGINSD saidI used to get them about every three years or so when I worked out at a club that had a great steam 'n' sauna, where I'd end each workout. Guess what? By dehydrating you, those two spas actually foster the growth of stones - and they ARE painful. I passed at least 3, but learned after the first one that the way to get them out of your ureter and bladder - which is where they cause the pain - and into your urethra, where you can painlessly piss them out, is to pace back and forth while drinking lots of water, tea, or some other diuretic (AZ green tea w/ ginseng works well for me) to expel them. If you can retrieve them, by all means do so and take them to your MD so he can study them and recommend any diet or behavioral changes that are in order. Good luck - those suckers DO hurt! icon_sad.gif


    There was absolutely no way I could have paced up and down anywhere the last time, I collapsed in the supermarket, vomited, sweating profusely and in the fetal position, the paramedics had to lift me onto the stretcher in that position. There was no warning, it hit me like a tonne of bricks.
    Does the tea make them move from the kidney or just speed things along after they have already started?
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    Nov 23, 2015 1:38 AM GMT
    I hear you man, I went fetal my first time, too, but the pacing actually helps in itself until the diuretic, in whatever form it takes, flushes them thru the ureter, where they've already started their little journey. Once out of there, the pain's not nearly as unbearable, and I never felt them while pissing them out.
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    Nov 23, 2015 2:01 AM GMT
    I know someone who, after the first kidney stone, had as second beginning to form, as shown on an MRI. By completely changing his diet (he used to eat a lot of kale, spinach , and cashews), and avoiding all the foods one is supposed to avoid, the second kidney stone disintegrated by itself, and was passed without any awareness (presumably in tiny pieces).
    So definitely get diet recommendations from the doctor.
  • FRE0

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    Nov 23, 2015 5:19 AM GMT
    I had two kidney stones at the same time in 1996 when I was living in Fiji. The doctor was incompetent but I didn't know that at the time. The pain was so severe that it was completely disabling. Fortunately, high powered injections controlled the pain, but they practically knocked me out. I was in the hospital and injected repeatedly. They should have had me drinking as much water as possible to attempt to flush the stones our but they never told me that. Fortunately they were small stones and passed by themselves.

    I asked a woman who had had two children and later had kidney stones which was more painful. With no hesitation she told me that the kidney stones were more painful.

    That was the only time I ever had kidney stones and it was 19 years ago so probably I won't have any more.

    The causes are not always clear and qualified urologists are not always in agreement. Maintain good hydration may help prevent them but not necessarily. If the stones are analyzed to see what they are made of they may be able to make dietary recommendations to reduce the likelihood of having them again.
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    Nov 23, 2015 5:43 AM GMT
    I started having them when I was 18 and have passed many of them since. In 1984 it was discovered that I had a big one (3.5 cm) in my left kidney occasionally breaking off smaller stones.

    I spent the LA Olympics in Valley Presbyterian having the big one surgically removed and have a nice big scare on my left side to show for it.

    I didn't have any more until 1997 when I had a similarly sized stone broken up by lithotripsy from my right side. Been fine since, but I bet I have another one of these days.
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    Nov 23, 2015 5:51 AM GMT
    NO CASHEWS???icon_eek.gif

    But I LOVE cashews! icon_cry.gif
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    Nov 23, 2015 11:32 AM GMT
    interestingchap said
    There was absolutely no way I could have paced up and down anywhere the last time, I collapsed in the supermarket, vomited, sweating profusely and in the fetal position, the paramedics had to lift me onto the stretcher in that position. There was no warning, it hit me like a tonne of bricks.


    That sounds familiar! I have had one, it came on really suddenly, I was fine one minute and the next it starting hurting - I was pale, sweating and puked up - I didn't know what was wrong with me, the pain got worse and I went to hospital.

    To cut a long story short I ended up having a ureteroscopy (as it turned out, needlessly as I must have passed the stone while I was waiting for the procedure) which meant I needed TWO catheters, one to drain the blood from my kidney (I guess they were really rough) and one to drain the urine, when I came round from the anaesthetic I had a massive erection and was complaining that it hurt so the nurse had to pull back the blanket to have a look, quite embarrassing...

    Having the tubes pulled out was almost as painful as the kidney stone! I was in hospital for 4 days altogether, not a fun time and definitely the worst pain I've ever experienced. The consultant advised me at the follow-up appointment to avoid eating too much beetroot and rhubarb and to drink more water to prevent another one happening. I've heard from several people it's more painful than childbirth - I can believe it, I had intravenous morphine, tramadol and some other painkiller shoved up my butt and it still hurt like hell.

    I still find it very strange that it hurts so much considering (in my case) it was a very small stone just stuck in the bend of the ureter (the tube connecting kidney to bladder) and wasn't causing a blockage at all. The pain is massively disproportionate to what it is.

    I actually didn't notice when I passed it, so the actual passing was nothing compared to the pain it caused - and then the pain of the ureteroscopy which left me sore for days after. My poor penis too, having two thick tubes going up it was NOT fun. I have pictures that I took on my phone just to remember the sheer horror of it!
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    Nov 23, 2015 11:58 AM GMT
    I had them once. I think they were the byproduct of early HIV meds. Crixivan probably. I sat on the toilet with 3 pitchers of water. I filled them twice. I eventually pissed it out. They were relatively small, but i felt every grain. Little sheets of blood and skin coming out of one's penis is never a good thing to see. They were like internal scrapings.
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    Nov 23, 2015 8:29 PM GMT
    What about the procedure where you're in a tub of water and they use an ultra sound "cannon" to break them up? Or is that only for gall bladder stones? I saw it on TV years ago so take it with a grain of salt.
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    Nov 23, 2015 8:35 PM GMT
    Lumpyoatmeal saidWhat about the procedure where you're in a tub of water and they use an ultra sound "cannon" to break them up? Or is that only for gall bladder stones? I saw it on TV years ago so take it with a grain of salt.


    I have heard about that but apparently its not the best method because it bruises your kidneys and also it may break them up into smaller pieces but you may not pass them so have multiple smaller stones that get bigger over time, so having them lasered is the best way because they pull out the bits that break up.
  • FRE0

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    Nov 24, 2015 2:18 AM GMT
    When I had my kidney stones, the pain came on gradually over a period of about 15 minutes. However, that is not always the case; sometimes the pain comes on instantly. There were periods of varying length when I did not need pain medication and when the pain returned, it did so gradually.

    Also, I was never doubled up on the floor and I was always able to walk, although with great difficulty. I could not even attempt to drive. At one point, before I had received an adequate injection to control the pain, I did vomit.

    Some doctors and other medical personnel are unaware of the strength of pain medication required to control major pain. They seem to think that a little pain medication is better than nothing. However, based on my experience with kidney stones and a compound fracture of a leg, it seems to me that pain medication has absolutely zero effect until it gets up to a certain level. So, unless they administer a strong enough injection, they might as well not administer anything at all.

    The injected pain medication completely killed my appetite and made it impossible to eat very much.

    It appears that there is significant variation from person to person.