Muslims need to speak loudly against VIOLENCE.

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    Nov 23, 2015 1:36 AM GMT
    If they don't, they will just become a victim.


    Religious liberties under strain for Muslims in France


    “In France, do like the French. That means that you need to conform to a lifestyle shaped by centuries of Christianity,” legislator Marion Maréchal-Le Pen, the niece of far-right leader Marine Le Pen, said Saturday. “France isn’t a land of Islam.”


    http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/religious-liberties-under-strain-for-muslims-in-france/ar-BBnjV6S?li=BBnb7Kz
  • JackNNJ

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    Nov 23, 2015 1:46 AM GMT
    They won't.

    What the hell is a "moderate Muslim"? One who doesn't cut your hands off before tossing you from the top of a building?
  • musclmed

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    Nov 23, 2015 3:47 AM GMT
    You know what doesn't work. Telling other people what to do here.

    There are different sects of different religions. The easiest way to distance themselves is to call themselves something else.

    Islam is in the toilet. The only thing that it has to hold onto in my opinion is the reliable counter culture segment of the population who will support something because there supposed enemies support it.

    Unfortunately the religion seems to be structured fairly amorphously. So maybe the best thing that could ever happen is if the Muslim nations solve this problem with the major player being the Saudi's.
    However judging how they treat other muslims I doubt this is going to happen.

    Pray for cold fusion or better solar power. That will quickly solve this problem and the middle east can return to the desert it came from.
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    Nov 23, 2015 4:36 AM GMT
    musclmed saidYou know what doesn't work. Telling other people what to do here.

    There are different sects of different religions. The easiest way to distance themselves is to call themselves something else.

    Islam is in the toilet. The only thing that it has to hold onto in my opinion is the reliable counter culture segment of the population who will support something because there supposed enemies support it.

    Unfortunately the religion seems to be structured fairly amorphously. So maybe the best thing that could ever happen is if the Muslim nations solve this problem with the major player being the Saudi's.
    However judging how they treat other muslims I doubt this is going to happen.

    Pray for cold fusion or better solar power. That will quickly solve this problem and the middle east can return to the desert it came from.


    Fuck that. We have enough of our own oil, natgas, and coal to last for thousands of years.
  • musclmed

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    Nov 23, 2015 6:43 AM GMT
    JackNNJ said
    musclmed said

    Fuck that. We have enough of our own oil, natgas, and coal to last for thousands of years.


    The energy has to be cheaper than oil. We dont use oil for electricity.

    For the future, maybe in 50 years, I sincerly doubt we will have this Islamic problem. It is doomed to failure.

    It doesnt produce anything. There is no history of its society actually doing much of anything. After a land is conquered there is some historical progress in science/technology but this seems to be more from the echoes of the prior civilization. What has mecca done in 1400 years?


    If anyone is interested.

    http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2013/04/contrary_to_what_has_been.html

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    Nov 23, 2015 7:10 AM GMT
    musclmed saidIf anyone is interested.

    http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2013/04/contrary_to_what_has_been.html

    Excellent article. Recommend the following 2 as well. Based on all 3 articles I think the better description of groups like ISIS is they are Orthodox Islam versus Radical Islam. Radical is from our perspective but from the perspective of Islam Orthodox might be a more accurate term.

    http://www.project315.net/blog/why-so-many-in-the-west-committed-to-defending-islam-as-a-religion-of-peace

    http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/03/what-isis-really-wants/384980/
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    Nov 23, 2015 2:54 PM GMT
    I'm a card carrying atheist of 50 years. I've been openly gay for 4 decades.

    All false belief systems present a clear and present danger to us all.

    In particular, a false belief system that would throw me off the side of a building and stone me for being gay; have me jailed or killing for having a viewpoint against the cult, and where woman have fewer rights than dogs is fucked up beyond all belief and represents a danger to us all. That hate; that intolerance; that ignorance is not something that we should embrace nor enable. It's sickening in every way imaginable, sets back human rights by CENTURIES. Muslim is the only religion that I'm aware of that openly advocating killing of those who don't belief or whom are different. It's a sickness upon society. In France, folks become French, first, and leave their prior culture behind.

    We are a nation of immigrants, and, if you want to believe in nonsense fairy tales A1 guarantees your right to do, but, there's a line. You don't get to kill folks who don't sign up for your cult. PERIOD. In the U.S., we have what Bill Maher call boutique Islam. You can leave without getting killed. Not so in radically Islamic countries.

    When I go to the gym and see women working out in full burkas, with their terrorist looking guy protecting them, I roll my eyes. Why would a woman subject herself to such a thing. I can tell you why. Conformance Theory and ignorance. If I went to the gym in a burka I would be told to get proper gym attire. Understand, it is isn't just the false belief system that makes these folks bat shit crazy, but, it's the monumental set back in human rights, that no decent human being should support. It's so very terribly wrong in every way imaginable.

    Now, we can't win this by trying to kill them all. We must educate, and educate, and educate, that is the clear and present danger and the evil of all false belief system / cults. Falling 1/3 of all U.S. citizens no longer affiliate with any false belief system, and that's a great thing. We have a secular government for a reason. Religion has no place in government.

    The poor ignorant village folks in The Mid East live with the violence of the false belief systems daily. We can never let that happen. Education is key to success.

    At LA Fitness, LA Fitness is afraid to take on the religious nut jobs, but, if I didn't wear appropriate attire, I'd hear about. Religious accommodations should be far and few between.

    Understand, the folks are ignorant, and, they don't know it, and...they're holy book PREACHES violence. That's what makes it different from other false belief systems, and the most frightening, and, rightfully so.

    False belief systems are a clear and present to danger to The World.
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    Nov 23, 2015 3:01 PM GMT
    ^ AGREED!

    Especially on education. I have always held that Western countries should allow as many women from countries where Islam holds sway to enter their counties on student visas so they can be educated in the West. Only a handful (by comparison to the women) of carefully vetted males (ones with values more in line with Western ones) should be allowed in. Once given the taste of freedoms enjoyed by Western women these educated women will refuse to be treated as dogs back in their homeland and will be the voice of change in Islam. They will not have five or more kids. They will not rely on their husbands or become slaves to the ridiculous ideology that is Islam. Change won't happen over night but it will come if we educate the women of Islam.

    I can't imagine any gym allowing anyone to workout in loose flowing robes much less burqas. The risk of injury and insurance liability to great. If I owned a gym, I wouldn't allow it.
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    Nov 23, 2015 3:10 PM GMT
    gudgelcl saidI'm a card carrying atheist of 50 years. I've been openly gay for 4 decades.

    I'm a card carrying 'very light' Prebyterian after coming out 45 years ago and very close to an agnostic. Most of the community around here is the same.

    All false belief systems present a clear and present danger to us all.

    In particular, a false belief system that would throw me off the side of a building and stone me for being gay; have me jailed or killing for having a viewpoint against the cult, and where woman have fewer rights than dogs is fucked up beyond all belief and represents a danger to us all. That hate; that intolerance; that ignorance is not something that we should embrace nor enable. It's sickening in every way imaginable, sets back human rights by CENTURIES. Muslim is the only religion that I'm aware of that openly advocating killing of those who don't belief or whom are different. It's a sickness upon society. In France, folks become French, first, and leave their prior culture behind.

    We are a nation of immigrants, and, if you want to believe in nonsense fairy tales A1 guarantees your right to do, but, there's a line. You don't get to kill folks who don't sign up for your cult. PERIOD. In the U.S., we have what Bill Maher call boutique Islam. You can leave without getting killed. Not so in radically Islamic countries.

    When I go to the gym and see women working out in full burkas, with their terrorist looking guy protecting them, I roll my eyes. Why would a woman subject herself to such a thing. I can tell you why. Conformance Theory and ignorance. If I went to the gym in a burka I would be told to get proper gym attire. Understand, it is isn't just the false belief system that makes these folks bat shit crazy, but, it's the monumental set back in human rights, that no decent human being should support. It's so very terribly wrong in every way imaginable.

    Now, we can't win this by trying to kill them all. We must educate, and educate, and educate, that is the clear and present danger and the evil of all false belief system / cults. Falling 1/3 of all U.S. citizens no longer affiliate with any false belief system, and that's a great thing. We have a secular government for a reason. Religion has no place in government.

    The poor ignorant village folks in The Mid East live with the violence of the false belief systems daily. We can never let that happen. Education is key to success.

    At LA Fitness, LA Fitness is afraid to take on the religious nut jobs, but, if I didn't wear appropriate attire, I'd hear about. Religious accommodations should be far and few between.

    Understand, the folks are ignorant, and, they don't know it, and...they're holy book PREACHES violence. That's what makes it different from other false belief systems, and the most frightening, and, rightfully so.

    False belief systems are a clear and present to danger to The World.


    "When I go to the gym and see women working out in full burkas, with their terrorist looking guy protecting them"

    And then they get their burkas caught in the cable machine and it takes the cables off of the rollers, but they don't bother to say anything to anyone, but just leave it broken for the next person who comes up and wants to use it.

    "At LA Fitness, LA Fitness is afraid to take on the religious nut jobs,"

    You sure got that right. The local membership manager won't do anything and the call to Irvine goes without any action.
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    Nov 23, 2015 4:03 PM GMT
    Defeating ISIL amounts to genocide so it's not going to happen. It's probably bit too late for France. Embracing a third world culture and believing it will not result in your own culturally de- evolution was one aspect of the great liberal experiment that will probably prove fatal.
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    Nov 23, 2015 10:22 PM GMT
    Muslims need to condemn their radical members every time they broadcast their "call to prayer." You know, that demanding exhortation to submission and Groupthink that Obama calls "the sweetest sound that he knows."

    And, get ready to put away the watch and jewelry, Obama; Ramadan is coming and the goose is getting fat; time to stash more weapons under the burkhas and the hats.
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    Nov 24, 2015 12:21 AM GMT
    MGINSD saidMuslims need to condemn their radical members every time they broadcast their "call to prayer." You know, that demanding exhortation to submission and Groupthink that Obama calls "the sweetest sound that he knows."

    And, get ready to put away the watch and jewelry, Obama; Ramadan is coming and the goose is getting fat; time to stash more weapons under the burkhas and the hats.


    They already are speaking out against terrorism; it's just that they receive little publicity for doing so. Therefore, people who can't be bothered to check the facts are unaware that Muslims are condemning violence and terrorism. Check out this link:

    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/muslims-in-france-protest-against-extremism/

    For more information, do google searches on "Muslims against violence" and "Muslims against terrorism".
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    Nov 24, 2015 12:44 AM GMT
    JackNNJ saidThey won't.

    What the hell is a "moderate Muslim"? One who doesn't cut your hands off before tossing you from the top of a building?


    This is YOUR definition--and it is steeped in intolerance and bigotry. WHY do you think anyone should listen to you?
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    Nov 24, 2015 12:46 AM GMT
    MGINSD saidMuslims need to condemn their radical members every time they broadcast their "call to prayer." You know, that demanding exhortation to submission and Groupthink that Obama calls "the sweetest sound that he knows."

    And, get ready to put away the watch and jewelry, Obama; Ramadan is coming and the goose is getting fat; time to stash more weapons under the burkhas and the hats.


    And CHRISTMAS is coming for all of you devout Christians. How many billions will you spend on presents this year?

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    MGINSD saidMuslims need to condemn their radical members every time they broadcast their "call to prayer." You know, that demanding exhortation to submission and Groupthink that Obama calls "the sweetest sound that he knows."

    And, get ready to put away the watch and jewelry, Obama; Ramadan is coming and the goose is getting fat; time to stash more weapons under the burkhas and the hats.


    And CHRISTMAS is coming for all of you devout Christians. How many billions will you spend on presents this year?



    Look, giving is not a bad thing so stop. I make what I give and trust me, if I wanted to give more I could. I also give to many who are in need and donate to several great causes (Charities) So what's your beef? Stop being a sour puss!
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    Nov 24, 2015 1:12 AM GMT
    FitBlackCuddler said
    JackNNJ saidThey won't.

    What the hell is a "moderate Muslim"? One who doesn't cut your hands off before tossing you from the top of a building?


    This is YOUR definition--and it is steeped in intolerance and bigotry. WHY do you think anyone should listen to you?


    I am intolerant of liars and murderous thugs - in other words, Muzzies. "Moderate," my ass.
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    Nov 24, 2015 1:13 AM GMT
    Sam27 said"Muslims need to speak loudly against VIOLENCE."

    I agree with this. If they do! They will more likely get kill by extremists (Islamophobia a-holes and "Muslim" religious fundamentalist nuts- Salafi/Wahhabi.)


    Sam, in all due respect I think you know what's meant here. The entire Arab world is excessively repressive and violent. I am glad your a Christian now. When did you convert? Perhaps you can go proselyting in the UAE or your brothers in Palestine. LOL NOT.....You see they'll lock you up, give lashes and kill you or anyone who disputes the corrupt and FALSE KORAN.....Islam! BINGO!

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    Nov 24, 2015 1:48 AM GMT
    white people be shooting up black churches and y'all aint talking about how white people need to speak loudly against white terrorism. lolz.
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    Nov 24, 2015 1:51 AM GMT
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    2Bnaked said
    Sam27 said"Muslims need to speak loudly against VIOLENCE."

    I agree with this. If they do! They will more likely get kill by extremists (Islamophobia a-holes and "Muslim" religious fundamentalist nuts- Salafi/Wahhabi.)


    Sam, in all due respect I think you know what's meant here. The entire Arab world is excessively repressive and violent. I am glad your a Christian now. When did you convert? Perhaps you can go proselyting in the UAE or your brothers in Palestine. LOL NOT.....You see they'll lock you up, give lashes and kill you or anyone who disputes the corrupt and FALSE KORAN.....Islam! BINGO!

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    Dude, you hardly know me... My family and I are Palestinian Christians, our ancestors dating back to the first followers of Christ. Way before your "European White" ancestors converted to Christianity.

    I can see why people that support "Donald Trump" are naives. I never read the Quran (Not Koran) in my whole life.

    I agree that there are several Arab countries that are violence because they have corrupted leaders like what happen in Syria and Saudi Arabia. Arabs in general are very peaceful people.


    You're right I only know your Palestinian and didn't question your faith devotion. I am also right about the Muslims not allowing the Bible to be read in most of the Arab countries and proselytizing is punishable by jail or being stoned. So please tell my why you're a Muslim SYMPATHISER? I need to be informed so I am not so naive!
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    Nov 24, 2015 1:53 AM GMT
    mecduplateau saidwhite people be shooting up black churches and y'all aint talking about how white people need to speak loudly against white terrorism. lolz.


    ...and many black people in Chicago are killing, robbing young black children.

    From a conversation on NPR
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    Nov 24, 2015 1:57 AM GMT
    mecduplateau saidwhite people be shooting up black churches and y'all aint talking about how white people need to speak loudly against white terrorism. lolz.


    Perhaps that's because we already are and have been for quite some time. And, we don't just talk, we prosecute those who commit such violence.
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    Nov 24, 2015 1:59 AM GMT
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    MGINSD saidMuslims need to condemn their radical members every time they broadcast their "call to prayer." You know, that demanding exhortation to submission and Groupthink that Obama calls "the sweetest sound that he knows."

    And, get ready to put away the watch and jewelry, Obama; Ramadan is coming and the goose is getting fat; time to stash more weapons under the burkhas and the hats.


    And CHRISTMAS is coming for all of you devout Christians. How many billions will you spend on presents this year?

    Huh? Would you rather the money be spent on weapons? Generally, I give my nieces and nephews books and money, and housewares, DVDs, or books to my older relatives, BTW. I've yet to give a gun to anyone, let alone point one at their head. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Nov 24, 2015 2:36 AM GMT
    I guess with his mouth sewn shut he can only demonstrate a violent act upon himself. These desperate people will DO ANYTHING

    A migrant with his mouth sewn shut in protest of not being able to continue his journey, at the Greek-Macedonian border near Gevgelija on November 23, 2015.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/macedonia-other-balkan-nations-begin-turning-away-migrants/2015/11/23/c8602760-9203-11e5-b5e4-279b4501e8a6_story.html
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    Nov 24, 2015 4:27 AM GMT
    Sam27 said
    2Bnaked said I am also right about the Muslims not allowing the Bible to be read in most of the Arab countries and proselytizing is punishable by jail or being stoned. So please tell my why you're a Muslim SYMPATHISER? I need to be informed so I am not so naive!


    No, I am not a "Muslim sympathiser". I feel like our gay brothers need some education that is all. There are Arab Christians in the Arab world. Christians can bring their own Bibles in the Arab countries. Saudi Arabia is the only Arab country that does not allows Christian practice in public, but you can have the Bible for personal use.

    The levant Arab region has more Christians than any other Arab countries.


    I am pretty well versed on the Ottoman Empire Sam27. That area tortured and enslaved men women and children for hundreds of years. The fact that a few christian are still alive in Egypt, Syria and Lebanon is a miracle.

    We are not talking about just religious practice, we are talking about pure survival. How about the government and cultural law that puts Muslims over Christians in every way. To the point a Muslim could never ever murder a Christian because its actually culturally legal.

    If you are keen on educating where are the facts? The Christians that says its "ok".

    Why has Cyprus become the new haven for Lebanese Christians who were the last bastion of the original middle eastern Christians? All of the leaders are being assassinated.

    They are almost gone. Who are you kidding?
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    Nov 24, 2015 5:18 AM GMT
    On the anniversary of 9/11 in 2013, about 20 people showed up for the Million Muslims March:
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    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/11/million-muslim-march_n_3906303.html

    It looks like about 100 showed up for the American-Muslims rally against ISIS in D.C. last Friday:
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    http://wtop.com/dc/2015/11/muslim-vigil-emphasizes-isis-is-not-islam-condemns-recent-attacks/
    http://wjla.com/news/local/american-muslims-rally-against-isis-in-dc