Do you believe in God?

  • anthonybs

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    Nov 23, 2015 8:01 PM GMT
    Personally, I tend to think there's nothing out there and all those hate the "different" have to face is based on those fanatic Christians who twist the name of the Bible. Because of religion, many people lost their lives and died innocent blamed by those same crazy fanatics for things they hadn't done. On the other hand, I hesitate and can't really determine if God exists or not. There were many people who used God's name to gain fame, power, money and control the masses of people, using the religion as an unending source. Back then, it was all taken way too seriously in the past and people could only have sex for the sole purpose of making children, they had no human rights. So yeah, religion does change over time... We're the ones to blame, not Jesus. Who knows what are we going to think about it in the years to come. But I wanna give it a special shout out for the deaths and the miserable lives of those who weren't like the brainwashed masses of sheep that refused to think out of the box, rationally, and followed their own path of bravery and lifestyle. A great example of what I'm talking about currently is ISIS. Those non-believers kill their own people and fight for materialistic purposes while twisting their religion's wisdom so they could take advantage of it. But overall, where was Jesus when women and children were slaughtered, where IS He when there are people dying in wars, poverty and illness all the time? Where IS he when there's so much cruelty and unfairness in this wretched world? How can we rely on Him? How does He help us? If you haven't noticed, we're already breaking free from that myth and probably will not take that matter too seriously in the future. Whatever the truth is, I just hope that our humankind will be at peace again, although we've never fully been.
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    Nov 24, 2015 9:40 AM GMT
    I do believe in God. The most important person in my life. I am Christian but not a Bible banger. For me to Jesus taught about the transformation of human consciousness. Of being more than you are at any given moment. To me God is all inclusive, loving, merciful, all compassionate.
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    Nov 24, 2015 11:54 AM GMT
    Nupe. Also--the fuck are you doing calling ISIS "non-believers", Anthonybs? Maybe they don't believe in your god, but it ought to be pretty fucking clear they believe in a god. The hell do you think Allahu Akbar means? You know, that thing they shout when dedicating their lives, prior to self destructing?
  • OffTheGrid

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    Nov 24, 2015 12:05 PM GMT
    "God" has so many different names throughout the world's traditions: Elohim, hashem, Adonai, Buddha, shiva, shakti, Vishnu, Allah, brahma, spirit, the great white buffalo mother, and in some traditions God is seen as the void, the great emptiness, no-thing. Even in psychology, God can often be equated with the super-conscious mind.

    Not to mention the great saints and sages, known and unknown, from all of those traditions.

    I whole-heartedly believe in God, but I think God is something so beyond human comprehension, only being able to recognize it by its by-products.

    The problem is when religion, over time, becomes rigid dogma, completely dead compared to the living traditions that once existed.

    God just is, it's us humans that have added on all the crazy extra bullshit.
  • badbug

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    Nov 24, 2015 1:04 PM GMT
    Depends what you mean by god?


    Like the guy above said, it really depends on your definition and then once you understand that you sort of have to move on to the actual concept of defining anything and what your definition of that is.


    So when someone asks me if i believe in god, they are assuming that i believe in "I" firstly...and that's probably where my answer would lose most people.


    It's kind of like, this presumptive thing.

    "do you believe in god?" Like well, what is this "you" you are referring to? Can we agree on what a "me" is first, in the metaphysical sense, in the physical sense?



    I imagine there is a hell of a lot we won't take too seriously in the future. Right now we're sort of in a process of de-mystifying human experience, which a lot of people, serious thinkers, are sort of upset about and having their more intellectual beliefs challenged by their more emotional ones.


    A good example of this, would be Stephen Hawking. Whether you agree with modern physics or not, the important part here is that Stephen does,

    Stephen would agree that the big bang occured, and everything after it was a consequence of that. Whether it was the earth forming or world war 2 or the invention of the internet....each event, led to the other by result of particles and forces interacting with eachother.

    Understanding all this, being a person on the forefront of explaining all this to the masses.....he goes on to add, he thinks he decided to become a physicist and cosmologist.

    So here he is, this brilliant guy talking about how everything is a result of everything else......going on to say, that somehow his personal life decisions are exempt from these laws, in his own mind.

    Like he understands he doesn't have free will, but he still believes he somehow does.

    Again, whether you agree with the idea of free will or not, doesn't matter here, only that this person spent their life essentially disproving the notion of it, yet still has to believe that somehow he is wrong.....it's fascinating, people's ability and willingness to compartmentalize on that level.



    Neuroscience is pretty amazing in that way also, when you get right down to the core of it, people are really just wet machines.

    Would you ask what your computer believes? would you take it too seriously if it answered? Once you divorced the idea of your divinity or specialness from the idea of your flesh, and say had to listen to your toaster's ideas about love and religion....would your own ideas seem so mystical and important?

    I don't know. I somehow doubt it, if you could actually see the sausage being made so to speak.


    So there is this whole field(s), dissecting what it is to be human, how our minds work and how we relate to the rest of the universe.

    I imagine we'll feel in the future, as far away from where we are today in terms of understanding, as we do now from cavemen. Not just in our ideas about god, but in our ideas about belief, about humanity and about perspective.

    Think about life before language. Think about thoughts before language. I mean, wow, right? There is no reason why we won't have a newer version of that type of divide assuming we don't blow ourselves up or something.


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  • anthonybs

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    Nov 24, 2015 2:47 PM GMT
    Kodiak saidNupe. Also--the fuck are you doing calling ISIS "non-believers", Anthonybs? Maybe they don't believe in your god, but it ought to be pretty fucking clear they believe in a god. The hell do you think Allahu Akbar means? You know, that thing they shout when dedicating their lives, prior to self destructing?


    That's incorrect. If they believed in God, they wouldn't kill innocents. Killing IS A SIN! And those who teach and preach violence are the ones who're trying to get something out of all that religious craze. Things like money and sex slaves. The ones who "sacrifice" themselves are totally brainwashed and if someone thinks that killing people/themselves shows their love to Allah, then they need to visit a psychiatrist.
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    Nov 24, 2015 3:29 PM GMT
    anthonybs said

    That's incorrect. If they believed in God, they wouldn't kill innocents. Killing IS A SIN!


    Err... Have you even read the Old Testament? Does Abraham ring any bells? God told him to murder his son just to see if he's do it. There's the story of Job where God murders his family just to settle a bet with the devil. Then there's the city of the entire city of Jericho that was slaughtered down to the animal by the Israelites. And then in Moses, he murders the firstborn son of those who didn't paint blood on their door. Don't forget in Noah where he fucking floods the world.

    Oh, I get it. You want special treatment for your God. Because it's okay if he perpetrates murder and genocide as long as it's your God.

    Realize this: any ham-fisted justification that you make to dispel any of these cases is the exact same that Islam (both radical and non-radical) makes.
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    Nov 24, 2015 3:29 PM GMT
    I rather wonder if God believes in ME. icon_eek.gif

    But I certainly don't believe in he/she/it in the sky. Religions & gods are human constructs in response to fear, uncertainty and ignorance. Our inability to as yet have adequate answers to the mysteries of the Universe, and the difficulties in accepting our own mortality, lead people to these false belief systems.
  • anthonybs

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    Nov 24, 2015 4:48 PM GMT
    AutumnalStride said
    anthonybs said

    That's incorrect. If they believed in God, they wouldn't kill innocents. Killing IS A SIN!


    Err... Have you even read the Old Testament? Does Abraham ring any bells? God told him to murder his son just to see if he's do it. There's the story of Job where God murders his family just to settle a bet with the devil. Then there's the city of the entire city of Jericho that was slaughtered down to the animal by the Israelites. And then in Moses, he murders the firstborn son of those who didn't paint blood on their door. Don't forget in Noah where he fucking floods the world.

    Oh, I get it. You want special treatment for your God. Because it's okay if he perpetrates murder and genocide as long as it's your God.

    Realize this: any ham-fisted justification that you make to dispel any of these cases is the exact same that Islam (both radical and non-radical) makes.


    I don't care. If someone kills innocent, he deserves to be punished! No matter if you believe in God (aka Allah, Buddha etc.) or not. So, according to the Bible and every other religion that's a sin!

    Plus, as I mentioned, I still doubt that something out there exists.
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    Nov 24, 2015 5:05 PM GMT
    I do believe in God. I am Catholic, I obviously don't agree with all teachings, & I don't know which if any religions " God " is the most accurate, or if none of them are, but I do believe in a creator. There are too many, beautiful, painful, happy coincidences in life in my view for there not be a higher power, or greater plan.
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    Nov 24, 2015 6:13 PM GMT
    anthonybs said
    AutumnalStride said
    anthonybs said

    That's incorrect. If they believed in God, they wouldn't kill innocents. Killing IS A SIN!


    Err... Have you even read the Old Testament? Does Abraham ring any bells? God told him to murder his son just to see if he's do it. There's the story of Job where God murders his family just to settle a bet with the devil. Then there's the city of the entire city of Jericho that was slaughtered down to the animal by the Israelites. And then in Moses, he murders the firstborn son of those who didn't paint blood on their door. Don't forget in Noah where he fucking floods the world.

    Oh, I get it. You want special treatment for your God. Because it's okay if he perpetrates murder and genocide as long as it's your God.

    Realize this: any ham-fisted justification that you make to dispel any of these cases is the exact same that Islam (both radical and non-radical) makes.


    I don't care. If someone kills innocent, he deserves to be punished! No matter if you believe in God (aka Allah, Buddha etc.) or not. So, according to the Bible and every other religion that's a sin!

    Plus, as I mentioned, I still doubt that something out there exists.

    There is always justification for murder in religion. It's not a sin to them. That's the point.
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    Nov 24, 2015 8:38 PM GMT
    Yes. But people write Scriptures in which they get some things wrong and some things right. And all religious traditions evolve (even if some of their adherents deny that they do). Ultimately, it's all unknowable, which ought to impel us to be humble in our theological claims and compassionate to one another.
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    Nov 25, 2015 3:34 AM GMT
    Absolutely!
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    Nov 25, 2015 4:53 AM GMT
    Of course I believe in God! He's that mythical legend that people thought up to explain unanswered questions about our lives and the skies. Too bad people have thought up several hundred thousand gods, whom all seem to have a different definitive explanation for the unknown.

    Too bad none of those gods actually exist. I'm sure there'd be at least one in the crowd who doesn't incite violence and domination in his followers.
  • Asmodeus

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    Nov 25, 2015 6:42 AM GMT
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  • Rowing_Ant

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    Nov 25, 2015 10:08 AM GMT
    Define God.

    If you mean the Judeao-Christian-Islamic "beardy dude in the sky" myth then no.

    but if you mean, a sense of connectedness....love, relationship....goodness....then yes. God is process. Is experience. God isn't a thing....

    The spirit of life. The Spirit of Love. The spark within.
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    Nov 26, 2015 12:19 AM GMT
    anthonybs said
    Kodiak saidNupe. Also--the fuck are you doing calling ISIS "non-believers", Anthonybs? Maybe they don't believe in your god, but it ought to be pretty fucking clear they believe in a god. The hell do you think Allahu Akbar means? You know, that thing they shout when dedicating their lives, prior to self destructing?


    That's incorrect. If they believed in God, they wouldn't kill innocents. Killing IS A SIN!


    That's your claim, that your God, holds killing as a sin. The way you've typed that, you've claimed the burden of proof for the following. You need to demonstrate that:
    a) Your god exists
    b) Your god is "the one true god"
    c) That their god does not exist
    d) That they are atheists (who do not believe in a god).

    Those are the claims you made. You claimed that they don't actually believe in god, and you've set this whole thing up so that if they do believe in god, they don't believe in the 'real' god. You are in a horrible position, because here's the thing: when you make claims, you need to be prepared to back them up--not with assertions, but with evidence. And all the evidence that exists, suggests that these people earnestly believe in their god.

    And those who teach and preach violence are the ones who're trying to get something out of all that religious craze.


    Yes, people are religious because they want to get something out of it. That is very true for a lot of folks. In the same way, some people who teach and preach being nice to others don't really care about others--they just want redemption so they can enjoy an eternity in heaven.

    Things like money and sex slaves.


    Oh. Well you don't need to be religious for that, you just need to have the right connections.

    The ones who "sacrifice" themselves are totally brainwashed and if someone thinks that killing people/themselves shows their love to Allah, then they need to visit a psychiatrist.


    ...I can find absolutely 0 things to argue with in this sentence. Well done. Just, replace "Allah" with the phrase, "any god", and remind yourself that plenty of Christians (Andrea Yates?) who have killed others out of love, and thus should also be due for some counseling.

    ...or further still, people who are so gullible because of their relentless grasp of faith, that they fall for every con under the sun. Those are victims who need help, not prayer, and certainly not more religion. People who lose their home, they're livelihood, their family members because of unverified, unfalsifiable, all-evidence-to-the-contrary, seemingly-fantasy beliefs.
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    Nov 26, 2015 4:13 PM GMT
    anthonybs

    Personally, I tend to think there's nothing out there and all those hate the "different" have to face is based on those fanatic Christians who twist the name of the Bible.

    Stephenoabc/Steefen

    Yes, there's something out there.

    1 God as the Sun
    2 Earth as Mother and Goddess
    3 Astrology: The Solar System as a God Matrix via Natal Chart and Astro-Carto-Graphy, a type of Locational Astrology
    4 Life-after-Life (Take a look Journey of the Souls by Michael Newton) Yes, those books about children (and even Patton--see the movie) who remember past lives have merit. Then the question arises, where do people go between incarnations.

    Second, "those fanatic Christians." Do you know what a Jewish zealot or sicarii was? There are no other religious members who are fanatic?

    anthonybs

    Where was Jesus when women and children were slaughtered?

    Stephenoabc/Steefen

    Where was Jesus when men were slaughtered?

    anthonybs

    Where IS He when there are people dying in wars, poverty and illness all the time?

    Where IS he when there's so much cruelty and unfairness in this wretched world?

    How can he help us?

    Stephenoabc/Steefen

    Jesus is an inspiration. Be inspired and help maintain what's good.

    anthonybs

    How can we rely on Him?

    Stephenoabc/Steefen

    First you have to know who he really is, especially historically, not just biblically.

    Here:




    anthonybs

    If you haven't noticed, we're already breaking free from that myth and probably will not take that matter too seriously in the future.

    Stephenoabc/Steefen

    You'll lose a stepping stone to the elevation of humanity.

    anthonybs

    Whatever the truth is, I just hope that our humankind will be at peace.

    Stephenoabc/Steefen

    We all would have to know that we are up against the Solar System. We would really have to know how to behave during oppositions and squares. Astrology affects not only the individual but civilizations and the Spirit of the Time. See Richard Tarnas' book, Psyche and Cosmos.
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    Nov 26, 2015 4:19 PM GMT
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    anthonybs said

    That's incorrect. If they believed in God, they wouldn't kill innocents. Killing IS A SIN!


    Err... Have you even read the Old Testament? Does Abraham ring any bells? God told him to murder his son just to see if he's do it. There's the story of Job where God murders his family just to settle a bet with the devil. Then there's the city of the entire city of Jericho that was slaughtered down to the animal by the Israelites. And then in Moses, he murders the firstborn son of those who didn't paint blood on their door. Don't forget in Noah where he fucking floods the world.

    Oh, I get it. You want special treatment for your God. Because it's okay if he perpetrates murder and genocide as long as it's your God.

    Realize this: any ham-fisted justification that you make to dispel any of these cases is the exact same that Islam (both radical and non-radical) makes.


    You're talking about Ancient Jews.

    Tell us about actual killings by Jesus or his disciples.

    The only thing you will find is Jesus's last parable where he says, those who do not want me as king, bring them and slay them before me.

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    Nov 26, 2015 4:32 PM GMT
    Ignoring the Solar System Notion of God and failing to listen to the advice of the Cabinet Members of the Solar System Notion of God is unwise. The Cabinet Members of our God at the solar system level are Mercury, Venus, Moon, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune, Pluto.

    There are also archetypes of life that are gods as well.
    In the thread below is the god that tells us to take time to drink, dance, and be wild: abandon yourself to no self-control.

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4111755

    DO SO IN MODERATION.

    I had to follow Dionysus for a little bit because I was letting Saturn make me too stern and joyless.

    Part of the Vedic astrology is to have remedies against astrological influences being out of balance.

    On Sunday, pay attention to the astrological attributes of the Sun (father)

    Monday, the Moon (mother)
    Tuesday, Mars (the warrior)
    Wednesday, mercury (communication)
    Thursday, Jupiter (expansion)
    Friday, Venus (beauty, arts, bling)
    Saturday, (Contraction, visiting the elderly and dying)
  • Hdawg1981

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    Nov 30, 2015 7:45 PM GMT
    Yes i believe in God of the Bible but i am not a bible thumping Christians That hates everyone and tell people that they are going to hell.

    I believe in the God that says he loves us all and wants to be our friend and help us though the good times and the bad times.

    I also believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and he died on the cross so we may have a way to talk to the father and have a way to have the eternal Life that God has promised.

    I think the people who call them selves Christians has lost what it means to be a Christian, They have lost the knowledge and the image of what Jesus was doing. He wasn't condemning people he was trying to show them the Love that God and him have for us and in return their sins were forgiven.
  • Destinharbor

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    Dec 01, 2015 1:59 PM GMT
    Hell, no. I have a brain that works and have no need for a crutch, a big invisible daddy in the sky. I do understand that very many people do need to reduce the complexity of the world to simpler terms, though. But that is also why they're so easily led down the path of crazy.
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    Dec 01, 2015 9:21 PM GMT
    I believe in the easter bunny and unicorns, so I think I have enough faith based crazy in my life, no need for any other fairy tales today.
  • Kazachok

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    Dec 02, 2015 8:25 PM GMT
    No, because I have concluded that the previous generations were correct and old pagan gods indeed do exist.