Watch HIV positive guys read mean messages they got on Grindr

  • metta

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    Nov 25, 2015 5:15 PM GMT
    Watch HIV positive guys read mean messages they got on Grindr

    'I wouldn't want anything to do with an ugly pile of HIV like you.'




    http://www.gaystarnews.com/article/watch-hiv-positive-guys-read-mean-messages-they-got-on-grindr/
  • JackNNJ

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    Nov 26, 2015 5:15 PM GMT
    Mostly white Liberal crybullies.
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    Nov 26, 2015 8:52 PM GMT
    OH MY GOD METTA.......you have really sunk to an all new low. Guess what....if I'm about to have sex with someone it IS my business to know if they have any diseases, especially life threatening ones! I'm beginning to see why so many people hate Liberals now. You're making me ashamed to be one. icon_mad.gif

    And the most amazing bullshit in this whole video is at: 3:17
  • Sincityfan

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    Nov 26, 2015 11:29 PM GMT
    Radd saidOH MY GOD METTA.......you have really sunk to an all new low. Guess what....if I'm about to have sex with someone it IS my business to know if they have any diseases, especially life threatening ones! I'm beginning to see why so many people hate Liberals now. You're making me ashamed to be one. icon_mad.gif

    And the most amazing bullshit in this whole video is at: 3:17


    Don't shoot the messenger. Metta never said anything about it not being someone's business.

    Bold part: The guy at 3:17 sounded A LOT like that timmmm guy- trying to infect people.

    Disclosing your status is the law in several places in the US, not sure about anywhere else. and don't give us that, "well just don't have sex" bullshit, because the same could be said back to you.

    I thought this would've been a funny video but it was boring...the (non-ginger) irish guy was cute though.
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    Sincityfan said

    Bold part: The guy at 3:17 sounded A LOT like that timmmm guy- trying to infect people.

    Disclosing your status is the law in several places in the US, not sure about anywhere else. and don't give us that, "well just don't have sex" bullshit, because the same could be said back to you.

    I thought this would've been a funny video but it was boring...the (non-ginger) irish guy was cute though.



    Are you that stupid? Undetectable = noninfectious. If I were trying to infect someone I wouldn't be taking meds. For this reason I don't both with Negative men.

    Do you not get the idea?

    "In this video created by the UK gay men’s health charity GMFA, several men respond to many ignorant messages that are sent on dating apps."
    These men are responding to ignorant REAL messages from Grindr. These are presumably Negative men responding to an openly Poz Gay man. I assume their profile says they are POZ or they mentioned it in follow up. THEY ARE DISCLOSING. The messages were not necessarily sent to the ones on the video.

    If you have a problem with the comment at 3:17, I can explain.

    The ASSUMPTION that YOU and your partner are Negative is the cause of the 50,000 new HIV cases every year. If you use condoms 100% you won't get it, if your partner has a UVL load, you won't get HIV, if you are on PrEP you won't get HIV.


    I get it. The responders get it. GMFA gets it. How many Gay men assume they are "clean" and don't get tested? They don't know if they are "clean" or not, even with a yearly test. The implication is, someone is "dirty" by being HIV+.


    If you agree that you are "clean" you need to be tested almost daily if you are sexually active.
  • Sincityfan

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    Nov 27, 2015 12:44 AM GMT
    haha. told ya.
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    Nov 27, 2015 1:02 AM GMT
    JackNNJ saidMostly white Liberal crybullies.


    Comments like that and 'I wouldn't want anything to do with an ugly pile of HIV like you.' demonstrate the level of stigma in Gay society.

    It isn't crying or bullying. It is about the lack of education. Who do you think is being bullied with a comment like 'I wouldn't want anything to do with an ugly pile of HIV like you.'?

    They aren't saying "I'd be uncomfortable with an HIV person." Some people have issues with cancer patients, amputees or any other issue. That's their prerogative. It has nothing to do with being "PC" either.

    I found most of the statements at issue to be laughable. I've heard the "clean" comment before. It was from an old skanky fool, I didn't bother to correct him.
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    Nov 27, 2015 1:05 AM GMT
    Sincityfan saidhaha. told ya.


    Laugh at yourself, I knew you'd say something ignorant. But again? LOL really DUMB!

    Double proof.
  • JackNNJ

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    Nov 27, 2015 3:40 AM GMT
    timmm55 said
    JackNNJ saidMostly white Liberal crybullies.


    Comments like that and 'I wouldn't want anything to do with an ugly pile of HIV like you.' demonstrate the level of stigma in Gay society.

    It isn't crying or bullying. It is about the lack of education. Who do you think is being bullied with a comment like 'I wouldn't want anything to do with an ugly pile of HIV like you.'?

    They aren't saying "I'd be uncomfortable with an HIV person." Some people have issues with cancer patients, amputees or any other issue. That's their prerogative. It has nothing to do with being "PC" either.

    I found most of the statements at issue to be laughable. I've heard the "clean" comment before. It was from an old skanky fool, I didn't bother to correct him.


    No, they are crybullies. Who cares, really? Man the fuck up and ignore "mean messages."
  • Sincityfan

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    Nov 27, 2015 4:07 AM GMT
    timmm55 said
    Laugh at yourself, I knew you'd say something ignorant. But again? LOL really DUMB!

    Double proof.

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    Nov 27, 2015 5:25 AM GMT
    Sincityfan said
    Radd saidOH MY GOD METTA.......you have really sunk to an all new low. Guess what....if I'm about to have sex with someone it IS my business to know if they have any diseases, especially life threatening ones! I'm beginning to see why so many people hate Liberals now. You're making me ashamed to be one. icon_mad.gif

    And the most amazing bullshit in this whole video is at: 3:17


    Don't shoot the messenger. Metta never said anything about it not being someone's business.



    Yes, but the video didn't post itself. He obviously agrees with the message or he wouldn't have posted it.

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    Nov 27, 2015 4:30 PM GMT
    Radd said
    Sincityfan said
    Radd saidOH MY GOD METTA.......you have really sunk to an all new low. Guess what....if I'm about to have sex with someone it IS my business to know if they have any diseases, especially life threatening ones! I'm beginning to see why so many people hate Liberals now. You're making me ashamed to be one. icon_mad.gif

    And the most amazing bullshit in this whole video is at: 3:17


    Don't shoot the messenger. Metta never said anything about it not being someone's business.



    Yes, but the video didn't post itself. He obviously agrees with the message or he wouldn't have posted it.



    Why shouldn't he agree with it?

    What new low?

    This isn't about these POZ men not disclosing. They have disclosed! This the disrespect, the hatred, the mindless ignorance they received AFTER disclosing.

    It's easier to 'man-up' and ignore it. But ignoringthe truth is acquiescing to ignorance
  • David3K

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    Nov 27, 2015 4:58 PM GMT
    - "Are you clean?" Theres nothing wrong with that question. Would you prefer "Are you infected with HIV or any other STD??" - It's the same question, just shorter. You know what they mean anyways, so what's really bothering you?

    - There is absolutely nothing wrong about a guy that wants to date neg only. If I took precautions to remain HIV neg I have the right to choose a partner with the same mentality and health status than me.

    - "How did you get infected?" - Totally valid question, one thing is to get infected through a blood transfusion and another to get infected because you had bareback sex (which shows the type of mentality you have). If you dont like this type of questions go to an HIV+ date app and problem solved icon_wink.gif

    Why do they portrait these guys are they were victims? They are not, they're just a bunch of pussies whining about the rejection they get over something they could have prevented. I do appreciate they are open about their status, but these guys must understand many don't want to relate to HIV in any way (that includes not having an HIV+ partner, even when undetectable), so they must respect when they get rejected, really get over it.
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    David666K said- "Are you clean?" Theres nothing wrong with that. Would you prefer "Are you infected with HIV or any other STD??" - It's the same question, just shorter. You know what they mean anyways, so what's really bothering you?

    - There is absolutely nothing wrong about a with who wants to date neg only. If I took precautions to remain HIV neg I have the right to choose a partner with the same mentality and health status than me.

    - "Wow did you get infected?" - Totally valid question, one thing is to get infected through a blood transfusion and another to get infected because you had bareback sex (which shows the type of mentality you have). If you dont like this type of questions go to an HIV+ date app and problem solved icon_wink.gif

    Why do they portrait these guys are they were victims? They are not, they're just a bunch of pussies whining about the rejection they get over something they could have prevented. I do appreciate they are open about their status, but these guys must understand many of us don't want to be related to HIV in any way (that includes not having an HIV+ partner, even when undetectable), so they must respect when they get rejected, really get over it.


    You are the problem. Personified.
  • David3K

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    Nov 27, 2015 5:23 PM GMT
    Hahaha I LOL for real at the bald guy reading a message that said "I told you Im not interested, I want to stay clean and healthy"

    so the bald guy says (like it's the most obvious thing) "well wear a condom then??" - hahahhahaha dude why didnt YOU do that from the start then?? Now you expect neg using a condom with you, just because you're poz. Please, this is too much, I cant keep watching this crap video.

    If you dont wanna get poz dont fuck with no protection and if you happen to get infected deal with it but dont expect others to sexually accept you, many wont and they're entitled to it.

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    Nov 27, 2015 5:56 PM GMT
    David666K said^ No, more like you and your gift are the problem.


    There is no 'gift' as you know. Undetectable = 0.

    But you perpetuate the myth. I could ignore you, but that perpetuates the IGNORance.

    Stupid people say stupid things. IF you are 'clean' (there's no guarantee anyone is) it implies someone else is 'dirty'.

    Anyone who asked 'how' you got HIV, it is absolutely none of your business. It doesn't affect care. Medical science doesn't discriminate. People do, you clearly made it a judgement (blood transfusion vs BB sex). The only purpose that serves is your prurient interest....and a means of justifying your discrimination.

    I do use sites and apps that have POZ, PrEP, Undetectable as choices. That was one of my complaints about this site.

    I have successfully isolated myself from 'Negative' people over the years....those that are negative personally. But when the 'Negatives' become abusive I respond.

    That is the point of the video. The POZ guys were honest about their HIV. The Negative guys were abusive. A simple 'no thank you' (or no comment at all) would have been adequate. I don't initiate conversations with Negative people. I don't need their approval. But I sure as #### am not taking their ####.
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    David666K saidHahaha I LOL for real at the bald guy reading a message that said "I told you Im not interested, I want to stay clean and healthy"

    so the bald guy says (like it's the most obvious thing) "well wear a condom then??" - hahahhahaha dude why didnt YOU do that from the start then?? Now you expect neg using a condom with you, just because you're poz. Please, this is too much, I cant keep watching this crap video.

    If you dont wanna get poz dont fuck with no protection and if you happen to get infected deal with it but dont expect others to sexually accept you, many wont and they're entitled to it.



    How do you know they didn't "fuck with no protection"?
    I only respond to you because of the ignorance you display, repeatedly. Your assumption that condoms=100% protection is faulty. And your assumption that 'how' is any concern to you. You've reached a conclusion that is inaccurate.

    RESULTS:

    Among MSM reporting any anal sex with an HIV-positive male partner, we found 70% effectiveness with reported consistent condom use (compared with never use) and no significant protection when comparing sometimes use to never use. This point estimate for MSM was less than the 80% effectiveness estimate reported for heterosexuals in HIV-discordant couples reporting consistent condom use. However, the point estimates in the 2 populations are not statistically different. Only 16% of MSM reported consistent condom use during anal sex with male partners of any HIV status over the entire observation period.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25469526
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    Nov 27, 2015 9:58 PM GMT
    timmm55 said
    Radd said
    Sincityfan said
    Radd saidOH MY GOD METTA.......you have really sunk to an all new low. Guess what....if I'm about to have sex with someone it IS my business to know if they have any diseases, especially life threatening ones! I'm beginning to see why so many people hate Liberals now. You're making me ashamed to be one. icon_mad.gif

    And the most amazing bullshit in this whole video is at: 3:17


    Don't shoot the messenger. Metta never said anything about it not being someone's business.



    Yes, but the video didn't post itself. He obviously agrees with the message or he wouldn't have posted it.



    Why shouldn't he agree with it?

    What new low?




    At 3:19, this stupid queen says this verbatim:

    "If you’re clean and healthy and want to stay that way, dating an HIV+ undetectable guy is the best way to take care of your negative status and make sure you stay negative."

    THAT is the "new low." And this is why everyone hates you here. You like to act all coy and pretend you're hated because you support PrEP......even after everyone here has made it crystal clear that is NOT why you're hated. It's because you're always trying to convince negative guys to fuck positive guys. And the fact that you just defended the above quote is yet more proof of your agenda.
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    Nov 28, 2015 2:22 AM GMT
    HOW DARE THAT INFECTED FAG VOICE AN OPINION!

    Let's review them on a continuum from the safest to the problematic ones.

    "I'm HIV positive, undetectable."
    People in this group clearly know their status. They take HIV medications every day and see a medical provider regularly. The amount of HIV virus in their blood is suppressed below the threshold detectable by available tests. An undetectable viral load greatly reduces the likelihood of HIV transmission. News coming from the Conference on Retroviruses and Opportunistic Infections in Boston highlighted the encouraging results of a recent study: HIV positive patients on anti-retroviral treatment who are virally suppressed did not transmit HIV to their negative partners.

    "I'm HIV negative. I test regularly. I always use condoms."
    Folks in this group use HIV testing and counseling as a form of prevention. They test for HIV on a regular basis (for gay and bisexual men the recommendation is once every 3-6 months). They use condoms consistently and correctly. While condoms don't provide absolute protection against any sexually transmitted infection, it has been repeatedly demonstrated by laboratory and epidemiology studies that their use is highly effective in lowering the likelihood of transmission.

    "I'm HIV-positive. I don't know what my viral load is."
    Not only an undetectable viral load reduces the risk of HIV transmission to negative partners, but viral suppression improves health outcomes in positive patients. Unfortunately only 25 percent of HIV positive people living in the United States are virally suppressed. The remaining 75 percent are not linked to medical care, were not retained in care, are not on medications or don't adhere to their treatment as prescribed. As a result, they are more likely to infect their sexual partners. There's a silver lining in this group: people who are HIV positive and not in treatment at least know their status. Knowledge gives them the chance to protect sexual partners and possibly come to terms with the barriers that keep them from accessing treatment.

    "I don't know my status."
    Among the 1.1 million people in the U.S. who are HIV positive, approximately 20 percent do not know their status to begin with for all sorts of reasons: fear, stigma, they honestly believe they are not at risk, et cetera. The truth is that all sexually active men and women are at risk for HIV. CDC recommends HIV testing for everyone between the ages of 13 and 64 at least once as part of a routine medical visit. Some of these folks are well aware they should get tested for HIV and hopefully they will test soon.

    "I'm HIV negative." (Or at least he thinks he is).
    Some of the "neg" guys out there belong to this troublesome group. At some point they tested negative for HIV. Months or even years later they believe their status hasn't changed. They proudly assert it left and right. They may even have condomless sex with other self-proclaimed "neg" men (a harm reduction technique called sero-sorting). Sexually active people who uses condoms inconsistently and don't test for HIV regularly cannot call themselves HIV negative. Many may be uninfected indeed, yet among them there are those who belong to the 20 percent of folks unaware of there their HIV positive status. The lack of knowledge laying on a faulty sense of awareness is an aggravating issue for this group.

    Lastly, there's a sixth HIV status. It's recent, exciting and increasingly more visible. It belongs to the top of the continuum we reviewed.

    "I'm HIV Negative on PrEP."
    People on PrEP take a daily dose of the HIV medication Truvada to reduce their risk of becoming infected. In addition to the high level of protection provided by the treatment, these men and women see a medical provider regularly, just like people in the first group. According to guidelines, they routinely test for HIV and may use condoms for added protection, just like people in group two.
    It doesn't get safer than this for sexually active people.

    What's the conclusion? The same one that public health advocates reached and preached for decades: know your HIV status. If you are negative, avoid infection by using all available protections. If you are positive, seek treatment.

    By knowing your status and act accordingly, you contribute to the ultimate goal of controlling the epidemic.

    Asking "Are you clean?" doesn't help anyone,

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/renato-barucco/beyond-poz-and-neg-five-h_b_5039729.html

    I don't care who you fuck. It's none of my damn business, nor is it yours if they take precautions. Best among those are PrEP and ART. With at least a week on PrEP, 6 months on ART and tests to confirm either.







  • David3K

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    Nov 28, 2015 2:55 AM GMT
    ^ blah blah blah, you don't realize how annoying, repetitive and full of shit you sound.
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    Nov 28, 2015 3:06 AM GMT
    Radd said
    timmm55 said
    Radd said
    Sincityfan said
    Radd
    At 3:19, this stupid queen says this verbatim:

    "If you’re clean and healthy and want to stay that way, dating an HIV+ undetectable guy is the best way to take care of your negative status and make sure you stay negative."

    THAT is the "new low."


    There's nothing incorrect about his statement. There's even some proof that it IS true.

    In the PARTNER'S study of sero-discordant couples (one POZ on ART, the other negative) there were 4 cases of HIV transmission......but not from their Undetectable partner, it was from an outside source. It was determined genetically.

    So, yes if the Neg guy had not strayed he wouldn't have become POZ.

    Is that over your head? The "LOW" here is blaming the Undetectable guy in the video.


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    Radd said
    timmm55 said
    Radd said
    Sincityfan said
    Radd
    At 3:19, this stupid queen says this verbatim:

    "If you’re clean and healthy and want to stay that way, dating an HIV+ undetectable guy is the best way to take care of your negative status and make sure you stay negative."

    THAT is the "new low."


    There's nothing incorrect about his statement. There's even some proof that it IS true.

    In the PARTNER'S study of sero-discordant couples (one POZ on ART, the other negative) there were 4 cases of HIV transmission......but not from their Undetectable partner, it was from an outside source. It was determined genetically.

    So, yes if the Neg guy had not strayed he wouldn't have become POZ.

    Is that over your head? The "LOW" here is blaming the Undetectable guy in the video.



    I don't give a shit about your "partner study." This video is based off of GRINDR. Ya know......that app where people hookup with total strangers? Surely you've heard of it. icon_rolleyes.gif

    So what the fuck does some partner study have to do with a hookup app? I'll tell you what; absolutely nothing. These guys on Grindr have no way of knowing if people who say they are undetectable are telling the truth or not, and yet you think that's safe. A lot of people here say you're stupid but I don't agree with them. I think you're just a fucking sociopath.
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    Nov 28, 2015 7:51 PM GMT
    Radd said
    timmm55 said
    Radd said
    timmm55 said
    Radd said
    Sincityfan said
    Radd
    At 3:19, this stupid queen says this verbatim:

    "If you’re clean and healthy and want to stay that way, dating an HIV+ undetectable guy is the best way to take care of your negative status and make sure you stay negative."

    THAT is the "new low."


    There's nothing incorrect about his statement. There's even some proof that it IS true.

    In the PARTNER'S study of sero-discordant couples (one POZ on ART, the other negative) there were 4 cases of HIV transmission......but not from their Undetectable partner, it was from an outside source. It was determined genetically.

    So, yes if the Neg guy had not strayed he wouldn't have become POZ.

    Is that over your head? The "LOW" here is blaming the Undetectable guy in the video.



    I don't give a shit about your "partner study." This video is based off of GRINDR. Ya know......that app where people hookup with total strangers? Surely you've heard of it. icon_rolleyes.gif

    So what the fuck does some partner study have to do with a hookup app? I'll tell you what; absolutely nothing. These guys on Grindr have no way of knowing if people who say they are undetectable are telling the truth or not, and yet you think that's safe. A lot of people here say you're stupid but I don't agree with them. I think you're just a fucking sociopath.


    The video is not based on Grindr, it is about the hate and stigma of Grindr. It is based on GMFA, not in anyway approving of it. (I had it for awhile, I deleted the app along with another one.)

    If you can read correctly it is "created by the UK gay men’s health charity GMFA, several men respond to many ignorant messages that are sent on dating apps.

    It was created as part of the campaign for World AIDS Day, commemorated on 1 December. The charity’s new campaign is intended to address the continued stigma around HIV."

    There is no way of knowing if anything is true on Grindr. Same goes for people who say they are Negative. When a Negative person looks for another Negative person on Grindr it is dangerous. If you read ACON serosorting between Negative men is inherently dangerous.

    You are desperate to make me and apparently every HIV person the villain.

    I apparently give RJ members too much credit, I thought if they read the Partners Study, the Swiss Statement, HPTN 052, the Kaiser PrEP Study, The Opposites Attract Study, etc. it would lead to some understanding. But if you don't 'give a fuck' about anything you will never learn.





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    Nov 28, 2015 8:17 PM GMT
    BTW here is their web site:

    http://www.gmfa.org.uk/

    Also from their site:

    "What if I only have sex with guys who have the same HIV-status as me?
    If everyone only had sex with people who had the same HIV status (sero-sorting) then there would be no increase in the number of people living with HIV.
    However there are still risks to unprotected sex between HIV-positive men.

    They can pick up other STIs, including hepatitis C. Some STIs will make it more likely that HIV will be passed on during sex.

    It’s very difficult to sero-sort if you are HIV-negative because you can never be 100% certain that a person is indeed negative. Even if they are, there is still the risk of catching other STIs.

    Guys are more likely to fuck without condoms if they think someone has the same HIV status as them. However, research has shown that around 40% of HIV-negative men who say they 'know' their partner's HIV status are in fact guessing [7].

    Some HIV-positive men use online dating sites, such as Bareback RT, to find other positive men for condomless sex, because they feel more able to disclose online (although many positive men still won't choose to give out that information) [6].

    Can I be sure that he is HIV-negative?
    The only way to be certain of your HIV status is to have an HIV test. It's not sensible to have unprotected sex with someone you've just met on the basis that they say they're HIV-negative. If they're willing to take that risk with you, they're probably willing to take that risk with other people too, and it's possible that they're HIV-positive but don't know it.

    It's estimated that more than 80% of new HIV infections are from sex with someone who was unaware that they were HIV-positive.

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    Nov 30, 2015 2:10 AM GMT
    ∆ I can't even bring myself to read this asshole's blabbering agenda anymore. It's always the same bullshit.....just because there are people out there who don't know their status spreading HIV, we should start trusting guys who tell us they are undetectable. icon_rolleyes.gif