Out gay Imam creates online school for LGBT-friendly Islamic study

  • metta

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    Nov 26, 2015 6:35 PM GMT
    Out gay Imam creates online school for LGBT-friendly Islamic study


    http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2015/11/25/out-gay-imam-creates-online-school-for-lgbt-friendly-islamic-study/
  • JackNNJ

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    Nov 27, 2015 6:47 PM GMT
    The fringe things are no indication that Islam is changing in any way. It is still comprised of a billion bloodthirsty gutter savages. This will not change any time soon, and certainly not as a result of some tiny "progressive minded" flare-up within the religion.
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    Nov 28, 2015 2:00 AM GMT
    I wonder how much of the Qur'an he has to ignore to justify adhering to Islam as a gay man?
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    Nov 28, 2015 9:32 AM GMT
    No Abrahamic religion can really ever justify homosexuality, but it's nice to see that they at least try. Maybe people who adhere to this branch of Abrahamic religion can at least find peace, but here's to hoping that we one day will rid the world of religion.
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    Nov 28, 2015 3:37 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    UndercoverMan saidI wonder how much of the Qur'an he has to ignore to justify adhering to Islam as a gay man?


    JackNNJ saidThe fringe things are no indication that Islam is changing in any way. It is still comprised of a billion bloodthirsty gutter savages. This will not change any time soon, and certainly not as a result of some tiny "progressive minded" flare-up within the religion.


    Unfortunately, the automated headline and link copy and paste Metta unit is not programmed to respond to your comments.


    In other words, Metta's brain.
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    Dec 06, 2015 1:34 AM GMT
    JackNNJ saidThe fringe things are no indication that Islam is changing in any way. It is still comprised of a billion bloodthirsty gutter savages. This will not change any time soon, and certainly not as a result of some tiny "progressive minded" flare-up within the religion.
    All it takes is one "flair up" to create a trend. That's exactly how Christianity went from radical to what it is today.
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    Dec 06, 2015 3:05 AM GMT
    UndercoverMan saidI wonder how much of the Qur'an he has to ignore to justify adhering to Islam as a gay man?


    Is Islam inherently more anti gay than christianity?
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    Dec 06, 2015 6:30 AM GMT
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    JackNNJ saidThe fringe things are no indication that Islam is changing in any way. It is still comprised of a billion bloodthirsty gutter savages. This will not change any time soon, and certainly not as a result of some tiny "progressive minded" flare-up within the religion.
    All it takes is one "flair up" to create a trend. That's exactly how Christianity went from radical to what it is today.



    Yeah, and all we need is about 2,000 years to see some progress. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Dec 06, 2015 6:31 AM GMT
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    UndercoverMan saidI wonder how much of the Qur'an he has to ignore to justify adhering to Islam as a gay man?


    Is Islam inherently more anti gay than christianity?



    Are you serious right now??? When was the last time you saw Christians throwing gay men off buildings to a crowd of enthusiastic supporters?
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    Dec 06, 2015 7:22 AM GMT
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    MrFuscle said
    UndercoverMan saidI wonder how much of the Qur'an he has to ignore to justify adhering to Islam as a gay man?


    Is Islam inherently more anti gay than christianity?



    Are you serious right now??? When was the last time you saw Christians throwing gay men off buildings to a crowd of enthusiastic supporters?


    I said is Islam inherently more anti gay than Christianity? I did not say are Muslims more anti gay than Christians? I quoted Undercover man because I respect his knowledge of religion.
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    Dec 06, 2015 6:05 PM GMT
    ^It seems both books condemn homosexuality, so I'd say one religion is not inherently more anti gay than the other.
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    Dec 06, 2015 6:14 PM GMT
    UndercoverMan said^It seems both books condemn homosexuality, so I'd say one religion is not inherently more anti gay than the other.



    Not correct. Jesus never said anything against homosexuality. Not only that but the Bible is quite clear that the New Testament overrides the Old Testament and homosexuality is not mentioned in the New Testament. The Koran, like the Bible also instructs us to follow the most recent scriptures. This is where the two books go in the exact opposite directions. The later scriptures of the Koran are the most violent and hate infused. It is quite clear that homosexuals should be put to death. Not only that, but if a man is raped by another man, he too is to be stoned to death. Effeminate men are also cursed in the Koran, even those who do not have sex with men.
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    Radd said
    UndercoverMan said^It seems both books condemn homosexuality, so I'd say one religion is not inherently more anti gay than the other.



    Not correct. Jesus never said anything against homosexuality. Not only that but the Bible is quite clear that the New Testament overrides the Old Testament and homosexuality is not mentioned in the New Testament. The Koran, like the Bible also instructs us to follow the most recent scriptures. This is where the two books go in the exact opposite directions. The later scriptures of the Koran are the most violent and hate infused. It is quite clear that homosexuals should be put to death. Not only that, but if a man is raped by another man, he too is to be stoned to death. Effeminate men are also cursed in the Koran, even those
    who do not have sex with men.


    Try looking up Corinthians 6:9-10 as well as Timothy 1:8-11. Paul makes it clear that homosexuals and effeminate men will not go to heaven. While the New testament is not as violent as the Koran, condemning someone to hell for eternity for being gay is very anti homosexuality.
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    Radd said
    UndercoverMan said^It seems both books condemn homosexuality, so I'd say one religion is not inherently more anti gay than the other.



    Not correct. Jesus never said anything against homosexuality. Not only that but the Bible is quite clear that the New Testament overrides the Old Testament and homosexuality is not mentioned in the New Testament. The Koran, like the Bible also instructs us to follow the most recent scriptures. This is where the two books go in the exact opposite directions. The later scriptures of the Koran are the most violent and hate infused. It is quite clear that homosexuals should be put to death. Not only that, but if a man is raped by another man, he too is to be stoned to death. Effeminate men are also cursed in the Koran, even those
    who do not have sex with men.


    Try looking up Corinthians 6:9-10 as well as Timothy 1:8-11. Paul makes it clear that homosexuals and effeminate men will not go to heaven. While the New testament is not as violent as the Koran, condemning someone to hell for eternity for being gay is very anti homosexuality.




    Your question was: "Is Islam inherently more anti gay than christianity?"

    So your question is not asking which is gay friendly but which is worse basically. And the Koran is vastly worse! The biblical scriptures you pointed out are written by Paul, not Jesus. However Mohamed declares that a man cannot even catch a glimpse of another man's buttocks or genitals and a man is forbidden from even sleeping in the same room as another man. And of course in practice, violent Christians are very rare, but murderous Islamics are not.

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    Dec 06, 2015 9:07 PM GMT
    Radd said
    MrFuscle said
    Radd said
    UndercoverMan said^It seems both books condemn homosexuality, so I'd say one religion is not inherently more anti gay than the other.



    Not correct. Jesus never said anything against homosexuality. Not only that but the Bible is quite clear that the New Testament overrides the Old Testament and homosexuality is not mentioned in the New Testament. The Koran, like the Bible also instructs us to follow the most recent scriptures. This is where the two books go in the exact opposite directions. The later scriptures of the Koran are the most violent and hate infused. It is quite clear that homosexuals should be put to death. Not only that, but if a man is raped by another man, he too is to be stoned to death. Effeminate men are also cursed in the Koran, even those
    who do not have sex with men.


    Try looking up Corinthians 6:9-10 as well as Timothy 1:8-11. Paul makes it clear that homosexuals and effeminate men will not go to heaven. While the New testament is not as violent as the Koran, condemning someone to hell for eternity for being gay is very anti homosexuality.




    Your question was: "Is Islam inherently more anti gay than christianity?"

    So your question is not asking which is gay friendly but which is worse basically. And the Koran is vastly worse! The biblical scriptures you pointed out are written by Paul, not Jesus. However Mohamed declares that a man cannot even catch a glimpse of another man's buttocks or genitals and a man is forbidden from even sleeping in the same room as another man. And of course in practice, violent Christians are very rare, but murderous Islamics are not.



    Whether you agree with Paul's place within Christianity does not mean you can simply pick and choose about what can be deemed Christian and what can not be deemed Christian to suit your argument. Further more for any adherent of either religion being barred from heaven for eternity would be considered a far worse fate than mere violence. Finally once again I am speaking of the religions themselves not how its adherents are currently behaving. Let's not forget some of the worst crimes against gays are also perpetrated by Christians in Africa. Its may be envouge to focus on Islamic violence and pretend a person cares about the plight of homosexuals around the world. Ignoring the violence perpetrated against gay men and women in Africa and the Caribbean islands belies that that devotion towards protecting gays around the world is no deeper than a CNN news crawl. Both religions are anti gay. Both religions have an equal ability to be used as proganda for hate towards gays. Both currently are.
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    Dec 07, 2015 12:15 AM GMT
    does it matter which faerie tale is "better" for gays. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Radd said
    UndercoverMan said^It seems both books condemn homosexuality, so I'd say one religion is not inherently more anti gay than the other.



    Not correct. Jesus never said anything against homosexuality. Not only that but the Bible is quite clear that the New Testament overrides the Old Testament and homosexuality is not mentioned in the New Testament. The Koran, like the Bible also instructs us to follow the most recent scriptures. This is where the two books go in the exact opposite directions. The later scriptures of the Koran are the most violent and hate infused. It is quite clear that homosexuals should be put to death. Not only that, but if a man is raped by another man, he too is to be stoned to death. Effeminate men are also cursed in the Koran, even those who do not have sex with men.


    The New Testament overrides the Ten Commandments?

    36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”

    37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

    Jesus didn't say, "Law? What law? You don't need to follow no stinking Old Testament Law!

    17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished. 19 Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.

    Jesus came to fulfill the law not abolish it. His words not mine. Does that mean we are to follow all the dietary and other laws of the Old Covenant? Of course not. However, in applying Jesus' law of love we fulfill all the necessary laws of God.

    Matthew 15:11 It's not what goes into the mouth that contaminates a person in God's sight. It's what comes out of the mouth that contaminates the person."

    Now, the New Testament has prohibitions against homosexuality and because of that I have to say Christianity isn't any more or less inherently anti homosexuality than Islam. I will grant you Islam's followers' treatment of gays is abhorrent. Christians do not throw homosexuals of buildings but their treatment of gays through the centuries hasn't been exemplary either.
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    Apparition saiddoes it matter which faerie tale is "better" for gays. icon_rolleyes.gif


    Yes, considering each of those fairy tales has billions of followers and one seems more Hell-bent on destroying us.
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    Radd said
    UndercoverMan said^It seems both books condemn homosexuality, so I'd say one religion is not inherently more anti gay than the other.



    Not correct. Jesus never said anything against homosexuality. Not only that but the Bible is quite clear that the New Testament overrides the Old Testament and homosexuality is not mentioned in the New Testament. The Koran, like the Bible also instructs us to follow the most recent scriptures. This is where the two books go in the exact opposite directions. The later scriptures of the Koran are the most violent and hate infused. It is quite clear that homosexuals should be put to death. Not only that, but if a man is raped by another man, he too is to be stoned to death. Effeminate men are also cursed in the Koran, even those
    who do not have sex with men.


    Try looking up Corinthians 6:9-10 as well as Timothy 1:8-11. Paul makes it clear that homosexuals and effeminate men will not go to heaven. While the New testament is not as violent as the Koran, condemning someone to hell for eternity for being gay is very anti homosexuality.


    No silly, they go to the bath house.
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    Buddha saidNo Abrahamic religion can really ever justify homosexuality, but it's nice to see that they at least try. Maybe people who adhere to this branch of Abrahamic religion can at least find peace, but here's to hoping that we one day will rid the world of religion.


    Buddha religion is the same?


    No, quite different. It's based on 'ethical behavior'

    "From the Theravada Buddhist standpoint, all relationships: gay, lesbian or straight, are often considered personal matters of mutual consent. If a relationship promotes the happiness and well-being of both parties, then it is positive and acceptable. Many Buddhists agree with most therapists, human sexuality researchers, religious liberals, etc. and believe that sexual orientation is beyond a person's control, as are race and gender. It is discovered,and not chosen. They feel that gays and lesbians should have the same civil rights and benefits as do all other persons."