Prominent Republicans admit Trump is a Fascist

  • KissTheSky

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    Nov 27, 2015 5:35 AM GMT
    (CNN)Conservative warnings about Donald Trump have grown increasingly somber. At first he was just an entertainer; then he became a worrisome distraction, and soon, there was fear that he would permanently scar the reputation of the Republican Party.

    But it was after Trump started calling for stronger surveillance of Muslim-Americans in the aftermath of the Paris terrorist attacks that a handful of conservatives ventured to call Trump's rhetoric something much more dangerous: fascism.

    Since launching his campaign this summer, the billionaire real estate magnate has regularly deployed inflammatory rhetoric about immigrants -- particularly regarding Latinos -- and repeatedly raised the alarm about foreigners entering the country. That has escalated following the series of shooting rampages and explosions in Paris this month allegedly perpetrated by ISIS and amid a national debate over accepting Syrian refugees.

    Most striking has been Trump's aim at Muslims in the United States. He's been widely denounced for claiming that people in New Jersey — a state with "large Arab populations," he said — cheered after the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001. That, coupled with his seeming endorsement of a national registry to track Muslims in the country, has sparked a new level of condemnation from conservatives already on edge about Trump's endurance.

    "Trump is a fascist. And that's not a term I use loosely or often. But he's earned it," tweeted Max Boot, a conservative fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations who is advising Marco Rubio.

    http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/24/politics/donald-trump-fascism/

  • roadbikeRob

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    Nov 27, 2015 1:29 PM GMT
    I would much rather have Trump as a republican candidate than any of those narrow minded bible thumping screwballs like Ted Cruz and Mike Huckabee.
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Nov 27, 2015 2:09 PM GMT
    KissTheSky said(CNN)
    "Trump is a fascist. And that's not a term I use loosely or often. But he's earned it," tweeted Max Boot, a conservative fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations who is advising Marco Rubio.


    The last sentence speaks volumes.

  • jeepguySD

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    Nov 27, 2015 3:58 PM GMT
    Politicians and pundits, especially on the right, are quick to make comparisons to Hitler, fascists, or even to accuse those with whom they disagree being communists, because all of these representations cause visceral reactions among most Americans. So, when a pro-Rubio pundit describes Trump as a fascist, I dismiss it as insincere, and political hyperbole.

    That having been stated, when one listens to some of the things that Trump says, and his invocation of Brown Shirt tactics, it is deeply troubling.

    The CNN article goes on to read:

    Academics who study fascism say that while Trump seems to have an authoritarian sensibility, his behavior doesn't meet the dictionary definition of fascism. The term describes an overtly anti-democratic movement that suppresses all opposition as a way to fulfill political goals, and a fascist leader is a dictator that wishes to exercise complete control, even by condoning violence.

    Scholars of fascists like Benito Mussolini in Italy and Adolf Hitler in Germany (none of Trump's conservative critics have compared him to either man) say, however, that Trump does display some of the key characteristics of a fascist. His comments about a national registry for Muslim-Americans, together with his propensity to stir up anti-immigrant and xenophobic sentiments among his supporters, amount to a perception of hostility toward ethnic and religious minority groups.

    "The most recent comment he said about creating a national registry of all Muslims -- that's very dangerous," said Steve Ross, a professor of history and scholar of fascism at the University of Southern California.

    Ross, who proposes the label "right-wing bully" for Trump, said he can certainly understand why the question has come up. "You're talking about an American government that would move towards the persecution of citizens and people living within its own country," he said. "That is why people are saying, 'Gee, if you follow this through, it's fascism.' "

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    Nov 27, 2015 5:15 PM GMT
    Much of what has been said about Trump's comments relate to him saying "yes" or "we should do a lot of things" to questions from an NBC reporter obviously trying to put words in Trump's mouth in a noisy environment while Trump was signing books. In fact it's possible he could have been answering some question not heard on the NBC feed (Speaking of NBC the network found guilty of deceptive editing more than once)

    The one thing Trump said definitely at that event was he favored keeping track of people who enter the country. Pretty benign but not the red meat his detractors need.

    The left and some on the right fear Trump's popularity which leads to some of the BS comments in the OP. The irony is the thinking people know better and many of the others probably want a Muslim registry so it only helps Trump in total.

    Still is a refreshing change from the BS crap that comes from Obama and Clinton.

    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2015/nov/24/donald-trumps-comments-database-american-muslims/
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    Nov 27, 2015 6:38 PM GMT
    Republicans are beginning to realize that their Koch Brothers/Teabagger strategy resulted in an unelectable political moron like Donald Trump taking control of their Party. And if ultimately not Trump in 2016, then another equally unqualified nutjob with no chance at the White House. Another fine example of the result of unintended consequences. icon_biggrin.gif
  • biathlete01

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    Nov 27, 2015 9:13 PM GMT
    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fascism

    a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition.

    I thought republicans are against centralized government?
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    Nov 27, 2015 10:38 PM GMT
    trump is the only moderate the GOP has
  • beachboyrye

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    Nov 27, 2015 11:05 PM GMT
    It funny how so many with so much to loose hate Trump. Makes u wonder the others real intentions.
  • Destinharbor

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    Nov 27, 2015 11:44 PM GMT
    biathlete01 saidhttp://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fascism

    a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition.

    I thought republicans are against centralized government?

    Lol. Republicans are all about Federal imposition of controls over what you do in the bedroom, what god you prey (intentional) to, control over women's bodies and life, what % of the national wealth flows to their bag men, how poor people spend their limited income, what you smoke, on and on.
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    Nov 28, 2015 12:10 AM GMT
    Art_Deco saidRepublicans are beginning to realize that their Koch Brothers/Teabagger strategy resulted in an unelectable political moron like Donald Trump taking control of their Party. And if ultimately not Trump in 2016, then another equally unqualified nutjob with no chance at the White House. Another fine example of the result of unintended consequences. icon_biggrin.gif


    So I presume you can proffer a cogent argument why John Kasich wouldn't be qualified to run for president or to be president?
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    Nov 28, 2015 1:57 AM GMT
    freedomisntfree said
    Art_Deco saidRepublicans are beginning to realize that their Koch Brothers/Teabagger strategy resulted in an unelectable political moron like Donald Trump taking control of their Party. And if ultimately not Trump in 2016, then another equally unqualified nutjob with no chance at the White House. Another fine example of the result of unintended consequences. icon_biggrin.gif


    So I presume you can proffer a cogent argument why John Kasich wouldn't be qualified to run for president or to be president?
    John Kasich is definitely the best candidate for the GOP nomination. However since he is a pragmatic conservative concerned solely with economic and financial issues, he is too boring and out of touch with the right wing extremists.
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    Nov 28, 2015 2:12 AM GMT
    pellaz saidtrump is the only moderate the GOP has





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    Nov 28, 2015 4:06 AM GMT
    ELNathB said
    pellaz saidtrump is the only moderate the GOP has





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    He's Head and Shoulders (I hope) ^^^ above any others when it comes to bombastic comments.
  • Triggerman

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    Nov 29, 2015 6:40 AM GMT
    I love it. The GOP is not much different than the Democrats. Bunch of guys that get fat by kissing up to their donors. Some guy comes along that does not need donors and says shit. Agree or not, it is nice to see someone shake the up the politicians in a way that has not happened in a long time. I don't agree with everything Trumps says but he is starting a revolution when we are no longer stuck with Fox or MSNBC to tell us what is going on

    Let the revolution begin
  • KissTheSky

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    Nov 29, 2015 6:48 AM GMT
    I was hoping that Trump would not implode quite this soon, because the damage he is doing to the Republican brand is something that Democrats couldn't have dreamed of just a few months ago.
    The latest polls show him seriously damaged -- down to third place in Iowa, behind even delusional, semi-conscious Dr. Stabby. (Ben Carson, whose connection with reality gets thinner by the day.)
    Can you imagine being in a party that champions a man who tried to assault his own mother with a hammer? Somehow it all makes sense in Red State Land. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Nov 30, 2015 9:28 PM GMT
    Triggerman saidI love it. The GOP is not much different than the Democrats. Bunch of guys that get fat by kissing up to their donors. Some guy comes along that does not need donors and says shit. Agree or not, it is nice to see someone shake the up the politicians in a way that has not happened in a long time. I don't agree with everything Trumps says but he is starting a revolution when we are no longer stuck with Fox or MSNBC to tell us what is going on

    Let the revolution begin


    A revolution? If you can call a cross between Rocky Balboa and Ross Perot a revolution, then yes. As for "shaking up the politicians", he has created a race to the bottom in terms of GOP political discourse (which is saying something). If I were a conspiracy theorist, I'd say he was a Dem plant.
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    Nov 30, 2015 10:53 PM GMT
    I just had to look up his birth astrology and I will have to say, OMFG icon_rolleyes.gif

    Usually, I cant stand Gemini's which are way too chatty for me. But it would appear the Trump is a fellow Air/Fire sign which is why he appears to be well liked by some, which are his good traits, a well liked personality (Air Sign Gemini Sun)(Fire Sagittarius Moon)

    The problems I see are his Mercury in Cancer, Mercury rules Gemini. When Mercury transits his Sun sign Gemini then into Cancer, then into Leo (May 21- Aug 23), this is when Trump will be his most emotional, most boastful when he communicates. Neptune in Libra with expansive Jupiter means Trump wildly exaggerates or lies about the law and fairness. His judgment and perception is clouded by foggy, unclear Neptune, with Jupiter there, this is expanded to the appearance he knows the law, when he doesn't, this is the "used car salesman" position for Neptune. FOR THIS REASON mostly, he would make a horrible president. This would make sense since he is a business mogul, NOT a law mogul. In contrast, president Obama, worked as a civil rights attorney and taught constitutional law at University of Chicago Law School, then went onto Harvard law school.

    He is heavily under the influence of the moon cycles especially during eclipse season. This would be the 2nd most prominent reason that he would make a horrible president, emotions. Combine his boastful ascendant Leo, on the last degree (most powerful Leo) + his war, drive Mars next to his ascendant, the Trump would use all his emotions (including money) and his emotional reactions if he were president to start fights or trouble with other nations. We have already seen Trumps war (Mars) like statements such as "I would bomb the shit out of ISIS" and his insults of just about everyone (bad side of blunt Sagittarius activated by moon) when he is boastfully on stage. This is his Mars-Leo Ascendant and emotional Cancer talking. With his cloudiness of law and fairness, this would be his 3rd most prominent reason, NOT to be president. Some leader could look at him cross eyed and he would go to war with them, just because he has the power and money to, not for any justified reasoning. An emotional used car salesman with clouded judgment of fairness, justice and a willingness to bully and be war like, Trump is dangerous, for the world, with too much power in his hands.


    A special note: (His North Node conjunct his Sun- Gemini) Every year, on his birthday, he gets some kind of special recognition, not nessasarly monetary, in his career (10th house), based on his misconception, fogginess and lies (Neptune) in law or one of many of his businesses of which he earns income, the money he is also very emotional about ("I make lots of money"- Leo/Cancer)
    Trumps birthday IS A BIG DEAL, at least to himself (Leo)



    Born on, during a Full Moon Lunar Total Eclipse, June 14, 1946
    Sun: Gemini
    Moon: Sagittarius

    Ascendant: Last degree of boastful Leo

    Love, money Venus in emotional Cancer

    Underworld Pluto in boastful Leo

    Deceitful, foggy Neptune in justice fairness, Libra, expands this trait also with good fortune planet Jupiter

    War, fighting, drive planet Mars next to his boastful ascendant Leo

    Communication Mercury in emotional Cancer

    North Node of moon in twin sign Gemini in his 10th house of career, also next to his birth Sun and surprise planet Uranus

    Neptune in the 2nd house Sextile Pluto in the 12th house, hmmm, small amount psychic ability? He must positively think about making money from nothing (his fathers inheritance), therefore he does icon_confused.gif
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    Nov 30, 2015 11:09 PM GMT
    roadbikeRob saidI would much rather have Trump as a republican candidate than any of those narrow minded bible thumping screwballs like Ted Cruz and Mike Huckabee.


    "narrow minded bible thumping screwballs"

    A what? I've never you heard you call anyone that before. Must be really serious.

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    freedomisntfree said
    Art_Deco saidRepublicans are beginning to realize that their Koch Brothers/Teabagger strategy resulted in an unelectable political moron like Donald Trump taking control of their Party. And if ultimately not Trump in 2016, then another equally unqualified nutjob with no chance at the White House. Another fine example of the result of unintended consequences. icon_biggrin.gif


    So I presume you can proffer a cogent argument why John Kasich wouldn't be qualified to run for president or to be president?
    John Kasich is definitely the best candidate for the GOP nomination. However since he is a pragmatic conservative concerned solely with economic and financial issues, he is too boring and out of touch with the right wing extremists.


    If we could somehow get Trump out of the way, the more reasonable folks could get some air.
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    Nov 30, 2015 11:12 PM GMT
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    Triggerman saidI love it. The GOP is not much different than the Democrats. Bunch of guys that get fat by kissing up to their donors. Some guy comes along that does not need donors and says shit. Agree or not, it is nice to see someone shake the up the politicians in a way that has not happened in a long time. I don't agree with everything Trumps says but he is starting a revolution when we are no longer stuck with Fox or MSNBC to tell us what is going on

    Let the revolution begin


    A revolution? If you can call a cross between Rocky Balboa and Ross Perot a revolution, then yes. As for "shaking up the politicians", he has created a race to the bottom in terms of GOP political discourse (which is saying something). If I were a conspiracy theorist, I'd say he was a Dem plant.


    He was a dem at one point.
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    Dec 01, 2015 12:43 AM GMT

    As I did Trumps astrology chart, Rodney Dangerfield in the movie Back To School came to mind icon_lol.gif




  • roadbikeRob

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    Dec 03, 2015 2:17 PM GMT
    Triggerman saidI love it. The GOP is not much different than the Democrats. Bunch of guys that get fat by kissing up to their donors. Some guy comes along that does not need donors and says shit. Agree or not, it is nice to see someone shake the up the politicians in a way that has not happened in a long time. I don't agree with everything Trumps says but he is starting a revolution when we are no longer stuck with Fox or MSNBC to tell us what is going on

    Let the revolution begin
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  • Triggerman

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    Dec 15, 2015 9:14 AM GMT
    hey exmil, a crazy like Ross Perot got Bill Clinton elected by dividing the conservative vote. Or do you not know history?

  • Triggerman

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    Dec 15, 2015 9:28 AM GMT
    I respectfuly disagree. Trump has shaped the entire narrative of this election. He has said things that although the press hates and says will be the end of him has only made him stronger in all the national polls. Time and time again. He says something, the press which really for the most part disagrees with and says this will cost him, and his poll numbers go up.

    Maybe the "press" is out of touch with most voters.

    It seems to me that the press and commentators who are mostly Washington liberals, are a bit out of touch with what they always call "mainstreet". When was the last time Chris Mathews was on mainstreet except for a video shot in some pre planned diner?

    People are fed up. They may not think Trump is the answer and do not believe him on what he says he will do but they like the general idea of what he says. The polls prove it.