BE HONEST - Who's Cuter? The Black Guy Or The White Guy?

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    Nov 30, 2015 3:24 PM GMT
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    I'd have a hard time deciding between these little guys. I think I'd have to take them both. icon_smile.gif
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    Nov 30, 2015 4:28 PM GMT
    IDK…. the little black guy looks so cute with his little short legs. Although, the smile on the white dude kinda gets me. icon_smile.gif
  • SkeletonKey

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    Nov 30, 2015 4:30 PM GMT
    the black guy with them big ol eyes
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    Nov 30, 2015 5:11 PM GMT
    Why settle for one or the other?
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    Nov 30, 2015 5:50 PM GMT
    I didn't know you were into puppies


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    Nov 30, 2015 7:15 PM GMT
    The black guy! No doubt!! icon_biggrin.gif
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    Nov 30, 2015 7:17 PM GMT
    yes; get both dogs
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    Nov 30, 2015 8:32 PM GMT
    A professional dog trainer told me that yellow labs had better personalities than black labs, or maybe it was the other way around. I kept my mouth shut; as far as I know genetics doesn't work that way. On the other hand I have heard from multiple people that chocolate labs are much more likely to be more hyper and take longer to settle down.

    The real problems with black dogs is that they get hotter more quickly in the sun and they don't photograph well since their black fur messes up the camera's exposure system and obscures details.
  • mystery905

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    Nov 30, 2015 9:27 PM GMT
    The little black guy....
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    Dec 01, 2015 2:28 AM GMT
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    Dec 01, 2015 2:45 AM GMT
    Lumpyoatmeal saidA professional dog trainer told me that yellow labs had better personalities than black labs, or maybe it was the other way around. I kept my mouth shut; as far as I know genetics doesn't work that way. On the other hand I have heard from multiple people that chocolate labs are much more likely to be more hyper and take longer to settle down.

    The real problems with black dogs is that they get hotter more quickly in the sun and they don't photograph well since their black fur messes up the camera's exposure system and obscures details.


    I think I'd have to agree with your assumption w.r.t. color, but there's at least one documentary floating around which mentions evidence of canine behavior genes having cosmetic expressions as well. I *think* it's the Nova "Dogs Decoded" episode; it should have a section on the Russian fox experiment and the emergence of floppy ears, curly tails, and so on when foxes were selected for domesticatable traits.

    There's a writeup of the fox bit at SciAm too:

    http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/guest-blog/mans-new-best-friend-a-forgotten-russian-experiment-in-fox-domestication/

    edit: The article does mention coloration too.
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    Dec 01, 2015 3:00 AM GMT
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    The thing about the black and yellow labs is that, as I was told, it's like Mendel's pea flower, if I remember my high school biology correctly. The black fur gene expresses itself if it's on either side of the gene chain. So if one parent has 1 black gene/allele/whateveritscalled and 1 yellow whateveritscalled then the parent will be black. If they mate with black dog, which has 1 of each, then 3/4s of the offspring will be black and 1/4 yellow. But the personality genes are coming from both parents and shouldn't be tied or affected by the fur color gene. And then a yellow lab female that I had raised had a litter where one of the puppies was a chocolate.

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    Dec 01, 2015 3:08 AM GMT
    I was mixed up; I've fixed the above, hopefully correct. Feel free to correct me.
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    Dec 01, 2015 3:23 AM GMT
    Lumpyoatmeal said
    anotherphil said...

    The thing about the black and yellow labs is that, as I was told, it's like Mendel's pea flower, if I remember my high school biology correctly. The black fur gene expresses itself if it's on either side of the gene chain. So if one parent has 1 black gene/allele/whateveritscalled and 1 yellow whateveritscalled then the parent will be black. If they mate with black dog, which has 1 of each, then 3/4s of the offspring will be black and 1/4 yellow. But the personality genes are coming from both parents and shouldn't be tied or affected by the fur color gene. And then a yellow lab female that I had raised had a litter where one of the puppies was a chocolate.

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    Mostly agreed, but I think the popular interpretation of the fox experiment is that some cosmetic traits are actually secondary expressions of behavior/glandular genes.

    (edit: I would still agree that for something as minor as lab color, the personality difference is likely more urban legend than fact)

    That's still really interesting about your yellow; I don't know dog breeding but I wouldn't think that was possible (Wikipedia has an article on lab colors which agrees with your chart AFAICT). Was the sire a yellow too, then?

    Another edit: There are two tables, one for black vs. brown and one for yellow, I think?

    Black lab (anything with a dominant B) vs. Chocolate (double recessive bb):

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    Yellow lab (double recessive ee) trumps the others:

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    Still doesn't explain your lucky chocolate lab though. :S
  • David3K

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    Dec 01, 2015 3:37 AM GMT
    The black dog! I have a black dog myself he's the best. Once he had a fight with a pitbull and if I didn't pull the pitbull away my dog would have killed him, even though hes half lab his fighting genes are strong icon_cool.gif Anyways black dogs rule
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    Dec 01, 2015 5:27 AM GMT
    I would say the white one, but look at his smile, it's a fake smile, he's only smiling with his mouth and not his eyes
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    Dec 01, 2015 6:07 AM GMT
    If you can afford to take good care of 2 dogs , please get both . They always be so thankful , and they will give you unconditional love .
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    Dec 01, 2015 10:49 AM GMT
    I have a white lab so I must say the white dog, but the black puppy is overwhelmingly cuteicon_biggrin.gif
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    Dec 01, 2015 11:16 AM GMT
    Lumpyoatmeal saidAnd then a yellow lab female that I had raised had a litter where one of the puppies was a chocolate.


    I didn't think that was possible!

    I concur with what's been said about Chocolate labs, I have one and everyone says they are a bit more crazy, even vets.
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    Dec 01, 2015 8:17 PM GMT
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    Lumpyoatmeal saidAnd then a yellow lab female that I had raised had a litter where one of the puppies was a chocolate.
    I didn't think that was possible!
    I concur with what's been said about Chocolate labs, I have one and everyone says they are a bit more crazy, even vets.

    I could be misremembering it. Perhaps one of her puppies was made a breeder and that breeder had a chocolate lab. And I don't remember if the chocolate lab succeeded in becoming a service dog.
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    Dec 03, 2015 2:39 AM GMT
    pellaz saidyes; get both dogs
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    Dec 03, 2015 2:42 AM GMT
    DefensiveEnd saidWhy settle for one or the other?
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    Dec 03, 2015 10:38 AM GMT
    I'd let them both crawl all over me and lick my face...
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    Dec 03, 2015 3:06 PM GMT
    JonSpringon saidI'd let them both crawl all over me and lick my face...



    SLUT!

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