7 Signs of Fascism: Which Presidential Candidate?

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    Dec 03, 2015 4:13 PM GMT
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    NYT: Seven of the hallmarks of fascism identified by the Italian polymath Umberto Eco include: a cult of action, a celebration of aggressive masculinity, an intolerance of criticism, a fear of difference and outsiders, a pitch to the frustrations of the lower middle class, an intense nationalism and resentment at national humiliation, and a “popular elitism” that promises every citizen that they’re part of “the best people of the world.”

    I guess this rules out Sarah Palin.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/03/opinion/campaign-stops/is-donald-trump-a-fascist.html?
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    Dec 03, 2015 4:30 PM GMT
    woodsmen said... Italian polymath Umberto Eco...

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  • JackNNJ

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    Dec 03, 2015 5:55 PM GMT
    Fascism well-described here. You'll find Hillary, Bernie, Obama et al. on every page:

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  • JackNNJ

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    Dec 03, 2015 6:03 PM GMT
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    woodsmen said... Italian polymath Umberto Eco...

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    LMAO @ the Times. Eco is a novelist.
  • tazzari

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    Dec 03, 2015 6:42 PM GMT
    JackNNJ said
    pellaz said
    woodsmen said... Italian polymath Umberto Eco...

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    LMAO @ the Times. Eco is a novelist.


    He writes novels, but there's a good deal more to him than fiction (Wikipedia):

    Eco has also written academic texts, children's books and essays. He is founder of the Dipartimento di Comunicazione (Department of Media Studies) at the University of the Republic of San Marino, President of the Scuola Superiore di Studi Umanistici (Graduate School for the Study of the Humanities), University of Bologna, member of the Accademia dei Lincei (since November 2010), and an Honorary Fellow of Kellogg College, University of Oxford.

    And even if he were "just a novelist," you would do better to refute his ideas, than to disparage the man.
  • dreamcock

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    Dec 04, 2015 3:01 AM GMT
    Hillary-she's the most crooked politician there's ever been.
    She belongs in prison!
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    Dec 04, 2015 3:36 AM GMT
    This is about to get good! I better get the 94% fat free popcorn.
  • musclmed

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    Dec 04, 2015 3:49 AM GMT
    nah, we havent heard from woodsmen or sam27 on "islam" yet.
  • monet

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    Dec 04, 2015 5:21 AM GMT
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    Dec 04, 2015 7:25 PM GMT
    •Both Hitler and Obama held rallies in outdoor stadiums to excite and inflame the people's passions. Frequently women would faint or break into tears.

    •Both Hitler and Obama wrote ghost-written autobiographies prior to the start of their run for political office. Hitler wrote Mein Kampf (My Struggle), and Obama wrote Dreams Of My Father. Both men then wrote a second book talking about their goals
    for German and America. Hitler wrote A New World Order, and Obama wrote The Audacity of Hope.

    •Both Hitler and Obama originally had last names that were changed later in life. Hitler used to be Schickelbruber, and Obama's last name was Soetoro.

    •Both Hitler and Obama's supporters followed them blindly, and without question.

    •Both Hitler and Obama were known for their tremendous oratorical skills.

    •Like Hitler, Obama rules in direct disregard to the will, wishes of the people and Constitution.

    •Like Hitler, Obama has an obvious distaste for many Jews, and sides with the Muslims every chance he gets.

    •Both Hitler and Obama were able to mezmerize people even when it was obvious that what they were saying was not true.

    •Both Hitler and Obama used domestic terrorists to launch their careers. Hitler had his Brown Shirts from his beer hall days, and Obama had people like Bill Ayers, Bernardine Dohrn, and Rashid Khalidi.

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    Dec 05, 2015 6:13 PM GMT
    mx5guynj said•Both Hitler and Obama held rallies in outdoor stadiums to excite and inflame the people's passions. Frequently women would faint or break into tears.

    •Both Hitler and Obama wrote ghost-written autobiographies prior to the start of their run for political office. Hitler wrote Mein Kampf (My Struggle), and Obama wrote Dreams Of My Father. Both men then wrote a second book talking about their goals
    for German and America. Hitler wrote A New World Order, and Obama wrote The Audacity of Hope.

    •Both Hitler and Obama originally had last names that were changed later in life. Hitler used to be Schickelbruber, and Obama's last name was Soetoro.

    •Both Hitler and Obama's supporters followed them blindly, and without question.

    •Both Hitler and Obama were known for their tremendous oratorical skills.

    •Like Hitler, Obama rules in direct disregard to the will, wishes of the people and Constitution.

    •Like Hitler, Obama has an obvious distaste for many Jews, and sides with the Muslims every chance he gets.

    •Both Hitler and Obama were able to mezmerize people even when it was obvious that what they were saying was not true.

    •Both Hitler and Obama used domestic terrorists to launch their careers. Hitler had his Brown Shirts from his beer hall days, and Obama had people like Bill Ayers, Bernardine Dohrn, and Rashid Khalidi.



    I remember the 2008 Obama campaign stop in Berlin... it was spooky...

    Once the Glastonbury-style warm-up bands and DJs had quieted, the Democratic nominee almost floated into view, walking to the podium on a raised, blue-carpeted runway, as if he were somehow, magically, walking on water. Even from a distance, the brilliant white of his teeth dazzled.

    It was a reminder that the latest edition of Stern magazine features Obama on the cover, above the line "Saviour — or demagogue?"

    http://www.theguardian.com/global/2008/jul/24/barackobama.uselections2008
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    Dec 05, 2015 6:36 PM GMT
    NYT: Over the last week, Donald Trump had used 95,000 words and there is a pattern. The specter of violence looms over much of his speech, which is infused with words like kill, destroy and fight.

    For a man who speaks off the cuff, he always remembers to bring up the Islamic State’s “chopping off heads.” And he has expressed enthusiasm for torturing enemies beyond waterboarding. Last month, after several men hit a Black Lives Matter protester at one of his rallies, Mr. Trump said, “Maybe he should have been roughed up.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/06/us/politics/95000-words-many-of-them-ominous-from-donald-trumps-tongue.html?
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    Dec 05, 2015 7:05 PM GMT
    woodsmen saidNYT: Over the last week, Donald Trump had used 95,000 words and there is a pattern. The specter of violence looms over much of his speech, which is infused with words like kill, destroy and fight.

    For a man who speaks off the cuff, he always remembers to bring up the Islamic State’s “chopping off heads.” And he has expressed enthusiasm for torturing enemies beyond waterboarding. Last month, after several men hit a Black Lives Matter protester at one of his rallies, Mr. Trump said, “Maybe he should have been roughed up.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/06/us/politics/95000-words-many-of-them-ominous-from-donald-trumps-tongue.html?


    First Trump I believe has no filter. And would not be appropriate for President despite the fact he is saying things that need to be said.

    The reason why he resonates is because he is saying what is on alot of the public's minds. A complicit media that is shrinking over time no longer reports the news. It creates it.

    So Trump is a convenient straw man for you. However what about CAIR in its news conference that blamed recent attacks on the US on foreign policy.

    I believe the overwhelming consensus in the US , is that it is tired of hand wringing every time a Islamist s pops off. All we hear is how "Islam is a peaceful religion", and we worry about anti Islamic reprisal.

    Guess what , since the 1993 bombing there haven't been any significant reprisal. And you can corroborate this with the record immigration from Islamic lands since we have been attacked by terrorist.

    The standard that Islamic apologists would hold the United States public too is not a standard that would fly in any Islamic country. However we meet it, every time. We have no interment camps or deportations.

    We have freedom of speech. And when the latest female terrorist pledged allegiance to Islam, she wants arrested and tortured as they do in Pakistan. ( torture is legal in many Islamist countries).
    Therefore the opposite side deserves its air time. To call it Fascist, would be a false comparison. Fascists were nationalist that blamed a innocent minority. When you are at war with another side, rhetorical speech against your enemy isnt fascism, unless however you redefine the word.

  • wild_sky360

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    Dec 05, 2015 8:03 PM GMT
    woodsmen saidNYT: Over the last week, Donald Trump had used 95,000 words and there is a pattern. The specter of violence looms over much of his speech, which is infused with words like kill, destroy and fight.


    This is the universal knee jerk election rhetoric this round, from every candidate except Bernie Sanders and Rand Paul. They are all auditioning to the establishment as much as to the riled up electorate which is predominantly anti war.

    Next time the neocon establishment demands nuking Iran, invading Syria, and provocations on Russia they don't want another Obama to screw it up deliberately or by ineptitude. I'm not a fan of the president but I'll credit him for at least not green lighting world war 3. Most of the candidates from both parties scare the hell out of me for the future of the world.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Dec 05, 2015 11:30 PM GMT
    dreamcock saidHillary-she's the most crooked politician there's ever been.
    She belongs in prison!
    You're damned right. That whore is totally unfit for the White House. She was a disastrous flop as Secretary of State yet many of the extremist liberal hens on here want to vote for her. Go figure.icon_mad.gif
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    Dec 07, 2015 3:12 AM GMT
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    dreamcock saidHillary-she's the most crooked politician there's ever been.
    She belongs in prison!
    You're damned right. That whore is totally unfit for the White House. She was a disastrous flop as Secretary of State yet many of the extremist liberal hens on here want to vote for her. Go figure.icon_mad.gif


    LOL Republicans have spent $98 million investigating Hillary. So we should send someone to jail because you think she's guilty?

    The only whores here are the Republicans pretending to be Gay.