With Younger Men Insecure About Privates, Gyms Redesign

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    NYT: Gyms are still unable to provide the one thing younger men in particular seem to really want: a way for them to shower and change without actually being nude.

    Each day, thousands upon thousands of young men in locker rooms nationwide struggle to put on their underwear while still covered chastely in shower towels.

    “Old-timers, guys that are 60-plus, have no problem with a gang shower and whatever,” said gym designers. But young men expect certain things like privacy.

    Closeness breeds anxiety; penis-related closeness can be overwhelming.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/04/fashion/mens-style/mens-locker-room-designers-take-pity-on-naked-millennials.html?ref=fashion&_r=0
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    Dec 04, 2015 4:22 PM GMT
    Towel-dance as a cultural shift? icon_lol.gif
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    Dec 04, 2015 8:17 PM GMT
    At least we now have a definitive time line (from the design experts) as to when sad millennial modesty took over icon_confused.gificon_rolleyes.gif


    "Showering after gym class in high school became virtually extinct in the ’90s"



    Students Still Sweat, They Just Don't Shower April 22, 1996
    http://www.nytimes.com/1996/04/22/us/students-still-sweat-they-just-don-t-shower.html

    A generation ago, when most schools mandated showers, a teacher would typically monitor students and hand out towels, making sure that proper hygiene was observed. In schools with pools, students were sometimes required to swim naked, and teachers would conduct inspections for cleanliness that schools today would not dare allow, whether because of greater respect for children or greater fear of lawsuits.

    The antipathy to taking showers after gym class puzzles some teachers and coaches. "These guys don't want to undress in front of each other," said John Wrenn, a teacher at Homewood-Flossmoor High School in suburban Chicago, who can scarcely conceal his contempt for the new sensibilities. "I just don't get it. When I started in '74, nobody even thought about things like this. The whole thing is just hard for me to accept."

    Some people believe that children today simply grow up accustomed to more privacy. Years ago, when bigger families lived in smaller houses with fewer bathrooms and bedrooms, it was the rare child who could maintain a sense of modesty.

    Students who dreaded showering at school got a lift two years ago after the American Civil Liberties Union threatened to file a lawsuit in Federal court over a mandatory shower policy in Hollidaysburg, Pa.

    "In 25 years of doing A.C.L.U. work -- cases on prayer in the school, you name it -- I had never had any response like this," he said. "People remembered their own humiliation. I myself remember moving from my little country school to the city school, and being mortified about having to take showers. But in those days, you did what the schools said, you did what the teachers said."

    Mandatory showers and teachers on shower patrol are virtually a thing of the past now, and rinsing off after gym is the student's option. In fact, some schools are considering removing showers because they are not used.

    Modesty among young people today seems, in some ways, out of step in a culture that sells and celebrates the uncovered body in advertisements, on television and in movies.

    Dr. Bernhardt said studies showed that as many as 11 percent of high school boys have reported using anabolic steroids. Many of them did not participate in sports and presumably were not taking the muscle-producing drugs for a competitive edge.

    "The No. 1 reason for taking steroids, as cited by these boys, is body image," Dr. Bernhardt said.

    Insecurities about body shape play a big role in the reluctance to shower at schools, judging from interviews with about two dozen young people at a shopping mall here recently.
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    NYT: Gyms are still unable to provide the one thing younger men in particular seem to really want: a way for them to shower and change without actually being nude.

    Each day, thousands upon thousands of young men in locker rooms nationwide struggle to put on their underwear while still covered chastely in shower towels.

    “Old-timers, guys that are 60-plus, have no problem with a gang shower and whatever,” said gym designers. But young men expect certain things like privacy.

    Closeness breeds anxiety; penis-related closeness can be overwhelming.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/04/fashion/mens-style/mens-locker-room-designers-take-pity-on-naked-millennials.html?ref=fashion&_r=0


    How stupid! Is this a result of the massive failure of women over the past 50 years to maintain a marriage and a home, thus raising a couple generations of boys without the suitable, constant male presence of a father? Women tend to be more prudish about nudity.
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    Dec 04, 2015 9:05 PM GMT
    It's weird, I graduated high school in 2012, and my high school had showers and never once seen them used before. It wasn't even optional to use them because we werent even given a choice to use them so they just showers just decayed in the locker rooms. I wish I lived in the era though when guys used showers. It would of been amazing to lurk at the hot guys.
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    Dec 04, 2015 9:41 PM GMT
    I'm not sure I'd place all this blame on " the massive failure of women over the past 50 years" as Sulla does, but I do think the result is accurate. Women have been instructing boys on proper behavior around men and their fathers haven't. Women are more modest and to be honest, I don't think many women like the male body. Certainly not the way gay men do. Sure they like to get fucked (for a short while, until they can generate kids) but have you ever heard a woman comment positively on a guy in a Speedo? Women want men to cover up. Unless they're Olympic quality or movie star athletes.
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    Dec 04, 2015 9:46 PM GMT
    (@ socal56) icon_rolleyes.gif Mostly it was just one more place for bullies to torment the smaller kids, while teachers weren't watching. A couple of the guys on the wrestling team thought it was great fun to pee on someone who was turned the other way, and see how long it took him to notice the "extra" shower.

    But in college and later, people just minded their own business. Except for lawyers. One gym I went to was next door to a law school. For some reason, lawyers made it a point to stand around naked and loudly discuss their clients. As if we all wanted to hear it.

    I saw that article this morning. Pretty stupid - it never got around to actually describing any of these new designs.

    The only gyms I've been in that had individual stalls were pretty cramped and uncomfortable. As if they had crammed the stalls into a space designed as a normal gang shower.

    Oh, my college dorm had gang showers on each floor too. I wonder how they do it, now that the building is Co-Ed?

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    Dec 04, 2015 9:53 PM GMT
    It's like the Victorian Age has returned.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Dec 04, 2015 10:42 PM GMT
    It appears that the Millennial generation is much more conservative than previously thought. It looks like we are going backwards.
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    Dec 04, 2015 10:52 PM GMT
    I think the comment about smaller families is probably partially to blame. I come from a very large family and never had my own room until after college. So I don't have a major issue with public nudity. I don't parade around naked but after a shower I dry off and get dressed without doing the towel dance.
    I think part of the issue is there is so much nudity in the media but it's all 'perfect' bodies. So if you have a body with flaws then you hide it in shame.
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    Dec 04, 2015 11:08 PM GMT
    socal56 said...It would of been amazing to lurk at the hot guys.


    Is it any wonder straight guys get freaked out by gay men in locker rooms?

    And young guys accuse old guys of being pervs! Seems pervs come in all age groups. icon_rolleyes.gificon_rolleyes.gificon_rolleyes.gif
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    Dec 04, 2015 11:10 PM GMT
    Funny, I went to high school in the 90's, & while we had shores in the locker room, ( even in the junior high school ), they were never used. It wasn't even an option, but strangely enough i never really thought about it. It was just something always there, but almost for decoration.
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    roadbikeRob saidIt appears that the Millennial generation is much more conservative than previously thought. It looks like we are going backwards.
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    Surely you and Radd are old enough to know that social mores and attitudes are like a pendulum - they swing wildly from extreme conservatism to ultra liberalism.
  • bro4bro

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    Dec 04, 2015 11:51 PM GMT
    My generation was required to shower together after every gym class and team practice. As a 12-year-old 7th grader, it was uncomfortable and quite daunting to enter a shower full of naked guys - yeah I shared a bedroom with my brother, but there wasn't twelve of him, and we didn't shower together. But within two weeks, showering after gym class became normal. It never bothered me again.

    The college dorm I lived in (the jock dorm) had gang showers too. Some of my best memories were my (str8 ) roommate and I, and a couple other guys from our corridor, rushing back to the dorm after a freezing cold football game, stripping down and jumping into the hot shower together with nice cold beers. We'd spend a good half hour in there together just drinking, talking, and cracking jokes. The fact that we happened to be naked hardly even entered our minds.

    After polling a few friends, it seems showering became "optional" at most U.S. junior highs and high schools in the mid-80s, largely due to complaints from parents about mandatory shower policies (that means someone finally realized homos were everywhere, and they didn't want their precious little darlings showering with one). And you what that meant. Once they became "optional", kids just quit taking them. So, anyone who went to junior high after the mid-80s feels uncomfortable about being naked around other guys.

    Of course gang showers are still the norm in the military. It must be pretty strange for the guys entering boot camp at 18 years old, suddenly being thrust into that environment without the pre-conditioning we had.

    But here's another question for the youngsters out there... what do you guys do in college? I mean, you have a roommate in your dorm room, right? And at least for the first semester of freshman year, you're probably paired with a complete stranger. So, do you strip down in front of each other when changing clothes? Or do you have some bizarre ritual to maintain your privacy?

    And if you do strip down in front of your roomie, what's the big fucking deal about the locker room?
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    Dec 05, 2015 12:18 AM GMT
    In middle school (6th Grade-1970) we started showering after gym. The coach stood at the entrance of the open shower room with a clipboard and checked off everyone who showered which counted towards their grade.

    When coach was out, the female coach took his place.
  • Triggerman

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    Dec 05, 2015 12:24 AM GMT
    I graduated HS in 1981 and we had open shower rooms. I was pretty well developed and it was not an issue for me. Maybe for guys that developed later in life. I don't even remember looking at any guys in the shower except one. He was a smart ass kinda tough guy. Just a wise ass kid. He had no pubic hair and obviously was late to puberty. That always impressed me. That he could stand there cracking wise on guys completely nude and not be embarrassed. Billy S. if you read this, props.

    Most of the gyms I belonged to as an adult in my 20-30's had open showers. By then I was looking and had some fun in a few. Even met a BF there. Seems like they are disappearing in gyms now. Too bad. I liked them. It was like the leveler in gyms. Big guys with small endowments, small guys with huge packages. Most guys were average which I guess is obvious.
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    Dec 05, 2015 12:24 AM GMT
    I'm not really sure about the causes of the "new prudery."
    But in point of fact I am pretty certain that it was the boys who did not want to shower with everyone else who were called "girly" and "faggot."
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    socal56 said...It would of been amazing to lurk at the hot guys.


    Is it any wonder straight guys get freaked out by gay men in locker rooms?

    And young guys accuse old guys of being pervs! Seems pervs come in all age groups. icon_rolleyes.gificon_rolleyes.gificon_rolleyes.gif

    Calm down. I said lurk, NOT stare. There's a difference.
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    Dec 05, 2015 12:52 AM GMT
    ELNathB saidAt least we now have a definitive time line (from the design experts) as to when sad millennial modesty took over icon_confused.gificon_rolleyes.gif


    "Showering after gym class in high school became virtually extinct in the ’90s"



    Students Still Sweat, They Just Don't Shower April 22, 1996
    http://www.nytimes.com/1996/04/22/us/students-still-sweat-they-just-don-t-shower.html

    A generation ago, when most schools mandated showers, a teacher would typically monitor students and hand out towels, making sure that proper hygiene was observed. In schools with pools, students were sometimes required to swim naked, and teachers would conduct inspections for cleanliness that schools today would not dare allow, whether because of greater respect for children or greater fear of lawsuits.

    The antipathy to taking showers after gym class puzzles some teachers and coaches. "These guys don't want to undress in front of each other," said John Wrenn, a teacher at Homewood-Flossmoor High School in suburban Chicago, who can scarcely conceal his contempt for the new sensibilities. "I just don't get it. When I started in '74, nobody even thought about things like this. The whole thing is just hard for me to accept."

    Some people believe that children today simply grow up accustomed to more privacy. Years ago, when bigger families lived in smaller houses with fewer bathrooms and bedrooms, it was the rare child who could maintain a sense of modesty.

    Students who dreaded showering at school got a lift two years ago after the American Civil Liberties Union threatened to file a lawsuit in Federal court over a mandatory shower policy in Hollidaysburg, Pa.

    "In 25 years of doing A.C.L.U. work -- cases on prayer in the school, you name it -- I had never had any response like this," he said. "People remembered their own humiliation. I myself remember moving from my little country school to the city school, and being mortified about having to take showers. But in those days, you did what the schools said, you did what the teachers said."

    Mandatory showers and teachers on shower patrol are virtually a thing of the past now, and rinsing off after gym is the student's option. In fact, some schools are considering removing showers because they are not used.

    Modesty among young people today seems, in some ways, out of step in a culture that sells and celebrates the uncovered body in advertisements, on television and in movies.

    Dr. Bernhardt said studies showed that as many as 11 percent of high school boys have reported using anabolic steroids. Many of them did not participate in sports and presumably were not taking the muscle-producing drugs for a competitive edge.

    "The No. 1 reason for taking steroids, as cited by these boys, is body image," Dr. Bernhardt said.

    Insecurities about body shape play a big role in the reluctance to shower at schools, judging from interviews with about two dozen young people at a shopping mall here recently.


    I remember that quite well. Any kid who was uneasy being nude around other kids was thought to be in need of counseling.

    I remember an incident in the 8th grade. One kid was putting on his athletic supporter and got it misaligned so that one of his testicles was not supported. Two other kids noticed it at the same time and pointed it out to him. Obviously kids looked, but it wasn't a problem.

    In grade 10, when we were lined up waiting for the teacher to come to give us towels, I got an erection. It was noticed and I was teased about it. At that time I could not handle such things very well and found it exceedingly embarrassing.

    It seems odd that high school kids will take nude selfies and send them to their friends of the opposite sex yet they wouldn't consider swimming nude.
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    Dec 05, 2015 1:05 AM GMT
    At my gym the guys who do shower do so wearing underwear.
  • lethlwepn

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    Dec 05, 2015 2:36 AM GMT

    Interesting discussion.
    I was raised Catholic and had lots of shame about my body. Lots of people told me I was "too tall" and I see myself in old photos trying in vain to crouch down or blend in! I always felt other guys were better looking, tougher, more muscular, better at sport. We were always being compared unfavourably with other guys. Quite typical for my era of growing up in the 1950s.

    These days I don't give much of a crap about things.
    You want to look at my body? Go ahead- hope it gives you a thrill. Lots of guys sneak a peek too. And why not? All dicks aren't the same. We haven't seen many black guys here in Sydney but many of us are curious about what they are like (and not just the dick either). In Thailand guys touch me and comment all the time "Oh--- you so big!". One guy told me I had "monkey arms". Hilarious.

    I've written a fair bit about bodies, I talk about bodies and look at other guys' bodies. Straight, gay or uncertain, many guys want to look at other peoples' bodies for any number of reasons. Let it all out boys! And feel confident in yourself. God loves us all whatever our colour or shape.
  • bro4bro

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    Dec 05, 2015 3:16 AM GMT
    My gym - an LA Fitness that's been open only a couple of years - has separate shower stalls, but no shower curtains. The eight stalls are arranged four on each side, directly opposite each other, so each stall provides a clear view into two or three others.

    Quite a lot of the guys - primarily working class Latinos, of all ages - shower with their underwear or workout shorts on. Most of the younger guys don't use the showers at all, but the ones who do are getting more and more comfortable with baring it in public.

    Shower Wars IV - A New Hope!

    (yeah you guessed it, I always choose the very first stall - so EVERYONE gets an eyeful!)
  • Hypertrophile

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    Dec 05, 2015 4:08 AM GMT
    Separate showers? That would have been nice, but then, it would have been nice to be able to wear suits during swim class. It was hard for a gay thirteen-year-old to hide a boner and humiliating when unsuccessful. (Especially if Mark L was in my class!)
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    bro4bro saidMy gym - an LA Fitness that's been open only a couple of years - has separate shower stalls, but no shower curtains. The eight stalls are arranged four on each side, directly opposite each other, so each stall provides a clear view into two or three others.

    Quite a lot of the guys - primarily working class Latinos, of all ages - shower with their underwear or workout shorts on. Most of the younger guys don't use the showers at all, but the ones who do are getting more and more comfortable with baring it in public.

    Shower Wars IV - A New Hope!

    (yeah you guessed it, I always choose the very first stall - so EVERYONE gets an eyeful!)




    Its interesting to see that when LA Fitness bought out the old Ballys chain, the company kept only the 'salvageable' or 'prime' gym locations. Those old Bally gyms, all had gang style showers. Some of them even had steam rooms attached to the shower room where you could walk from steam to shower and shower to steam, with no towels. Now, most of the old Bally (new LA Fitness) steam rooms are closed.

    After LA Fitness 'remodeled' their chosen Bally locations, they turned the open gang showers into stall showers by adding glass-shower door style, partitions within the shower room, one shower head in each stall. I have noticed though that they did not add shower curtains at these old Bally, now LA Fitness locations.

    Partitions in a once open shower room, kind of look stupid, especially with no curtains. You are still exposed (good heavens) in the shower room, somebody across or diagonally from you. I suspect that young gym goers, at these old Bally locations, choose to shower at home, even with the new partitions. icon_confused.gif





  • davfit

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    Dec 05, 2015 4:18 AM GMT
    I see guys all ages.. do the towel thing ..it screams I have no Dick..