Qur’an Or Bible? Most People Can’t Tell The Difference… Can You?

  • metta

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    Dec 06, 2015 4:51 AM GMT
    Qur’an Or Bible? Most People Can’t Tell The Difference… Can You?


    http://www.buzzfeed.com/rennerlarson/quran-or-bible-most-people-cant-tell-the-differ-1haar
  • jeepguySD

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    Dec 06, 2015 4:06 PM GMT
    I got 7 out of 10...probably should have done better. Of course there are strong similarities between the Bible and the Qur'an -- Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are all Abrahamic religions, all stemming from the same original traditions. Saying as much to an evangelical Christian, however, is likely to prompt a severe reaction and swift condemnation.

    Yet, I think the New Testament diverges in very important ways from the Qur'an, particularly in the role of Jesus as Christ the Savior. While Islam accepts Jesus as a prophet of the Lord, it does not accept him as THE Prophet. Hence, the teachings of Jesus are secondary to the teachings of Muhammad.
  • Bunjamon

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    Dec 06, 2015 4:12 PM GMT
    6 out of 10 for me, not bad for a heathen! icon_wink.gif
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    Dec 06, 2015 4:45 PM GMT
    Embarrassingly, 9 out of ten.

    Unlike nearly all of the Old Testament verses of violence, the verses of violence in the Quran are mostly open-ended, meaning that they are not restrained by the historical context of the surrounding text (although many Muslims choose to think of them that way). They are part of the eternal, unchanging word of Allah, and just as relevant or subject to interpretation as anything else in the Quran.

    http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/023-violence.htm


    Apologeticsindex.org:
    Red text is mine.

    Muslims believe the Torah and the Gospel have been changed and corrupted over time. Consequently, the Quran was needed to correct the errors in the corrupted books. It finalizes the truth from God as transmitted from the archangel Gabriel, recited by the prophet Muhammad, and written down into the Arabic language. Christianity has traditionally viewed its sacred scriptures as the inspired word of God using men of particular times and places and cultures for various reasons and circumstances to record histories, laws, wisdom, etc. which are open to interpretation considering these factors. Islam does not allow for that.

    Traditional Islam views the Quran as a miracle. Therefore literary or historical criticism of the Quran is unacceptable. To question or defame the Quran is to do the same to God. Orthodox Islam has generally affirmed that the Quran is uncreated. This is not Traditional Christianity's view of the Bible. It is God’s word and a quality of God’s nature. Muslim scholars teach that Muhammad’s speech in delivering the Quran verbally iterates divine speech of God (Quran 85:21-22; 43:3-4; 13:39). Quran is uncreated. This is not Traditional Christianity's view of the Bible.
    God's revelation came not through a person but through a written record. Islam then is a book religion. It was revealed from Gabriel to Muhammad in the Arabic language. Arabic thus becomes intertwined with the revelation itself. Any translation into another language loses its original authenticity. But wouldn't 7th century Arabic be different than 21st century Arabic just as Modern English looks and sounds nothing like 7th century English? Word usage and meanings change through the centuries.

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  • metta

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    Dec 06, 2015 7:05 PM GMT
    People Criticize Bible After Reading Verses They Think Are From The Quran

    The Holy Quran Experiment



    http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/12/05/christians-hilariously-criticize-bible-after-reading-verses-they-think-are-from-the-quran-video/
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  • Lincsbear

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    Dec 06, 2015 9:32 PM GMT
    I remember an article years ago about the Lord`s Prayer viewed from the three Abrahamic faiths.
    The only line muslims and Jews would apparently dissent on was the 'God the father, son, and Holy Ghost' one since they believe in a single, undivided god rather than a Trinitarian one.
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    Dec 06, 2015 10:47 PM GMT
    I got 9 out of 10. Pretty easy to tell from the linguistic style because God is portrayed as speaking in the first person plural much more in the Qur'an than in the Tanakh and the New Testament. But the Revelation excerpt was freaky enough to stump me
  • FRE0

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    Dec 07, 2015 12:34 AM GMT
    metta saidQur’an Or Bible? Most People Can’t Tell The Difference… Can You?


    http://www.buzzfeed.com/rennerlarson/quran-or-bible-most-people-cant-tell-the-differ-1haar


    I got 9 right out of 10. Not too bad I guess.
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    Dec 07, 2015 1:43 AM GMT
    10/10

    It's not so much a test of knowledge between books, but a test of linguistics. They're written in distinctly different styles.
  • JackNNJ

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    Dec 07, 2015 1:56 AM GMT
    Another futile, cutesy exercise by dissipated white Liberals.

    You've got your heads in the sand - and up your butts. ISIS fully represents Islam today. You can keep pushing the fallacious moral equivalency angle, but the truth is clear.

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    JackNNJ saidAnother futile, cutesy exercise by dissipated white Liberals.

    You've got your heads in the sand - and up your butts. ISIS fully represents Islam today. You can keep pushing the fallacious moral equivalency angle, but the truth is clear.



    They want to kill us!
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    Lincsbear saidI remember an article years ago about the Lord`s Prayer viewed from the three Abrahamic faiths.
    The only line muslims and Jews would apparently dissent on was the 'God the father, son, and Holy Ghost' one since they believe in a single, undivided god rather than a Trinitarian one.


    I believe you are mistaken as there is no mention of the Son and Holy Spirit in the Lord's Prayer.
  • Rowing_Ant

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    Dec 07, 2015 9:19 AM GMT
    UndercoverMan said
    Lincsbear saidI remember an article years ago about the Lord`s Prayer viewed from the three Abrahamic faiths.
    The only line muslims and Jews would apparently dissent on was the 'God the father, son, and Holy Ghost' one since they believe in a single, undivided god rather than a Trinitarian one.


    I believe you are mistaken as there is no mention of the Son and Holy Spirit in the Lord's Prayer.


    As a Unitarian I do not no believe in the Holy Trinity - in fact I believe it's a load of hocum! Jesus was a human being, a fully mortal man, not God. He was a great prophet, teacher, leader, moral guide but certainly not God and certainly should not be "worshipped and glorified" as to worship someone/thing which is not God is blasphemy! (thou shalt have no other Gods....)

    Unitarians beieve revelation to be ongoing: the Bible is not God's final word and God is still speaking through the words and deeds of prophetic men and women, artists, scientists, musicians.... instead of asking a legalistic question "what does the bible say" we ask "what is GOd trying to say now" and "what is Love trying to say" hence Untiarians together with Quakers taking a great part in changing the law re. Gay Marriage.

    The Holy Trinity is not mentioned anywhere in the Lord's Prayer, and, since Jesus was a Jew, it's a Jewish prayer - so why would it have the Trinity in it? (I really hate it when Trintiarians add the Gloria to the end of Psalms- Jewish hymns - I find it revolting cultural superiority).

    The bible is a book, written by men (species and sex) for men (species and sex) over hundreds of years in differant times and places and cultures. Of course it's fallible and contains contradictions, error, myth but also a grain of truth, too. It's not a very nice book. The Old Testament is full of war and fighting; Revelation is a terrifying apocalyptic nightmare. But, was a Unitarian Christian when I read it what I look for is Love. Where is the love. Not, where is the sword, the fighting, the anger.

    Of course, differant denominations interpret the bible differantly, from being literally true, the actual literal revelation of God (the Word made words, so to speak - which isn't a traditional or mainstream Christian theology) to "it's just a book..." For everyone person who reads a book - any book- you will always get a differant understanding and view....it's how you interpret it (personally, culturally...how you've been told to) which also influences but crucially how you act upon it. It's one thing to read a passage in the Old Testament about war and fighting and killing the non-believer, stoning gays or adulterers, it's a nother entirely to acting upon it.
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    Dec 07, 2015 3:42 PM GMT
    If the belief in the Trinity is a lot of hocum, it's a lot of hocum that has been believed for two millennia by the vast majority of Christians. If you do not have irrefutable evidence that what you believe is correct, you have to respect the rest of Christianity's right to believe what they believe.

    Referring to others beliefs as hocum is not respect.

    There are also two types of revelation in mainstream Christianity. The first is the belief that Jesus is the final revelation of God's plan for the salvation of man. It's Gods plan so it is perfect and there is no need for improvement or embellishment. It's Revelation with a capital R. That is not to say that through the reading of sacred scripture a deeper understanding of "eternal truths" cannot be revealed to man by God. That's revelation with a lowercase r. The word Trinity is nowhere found in the New Testament yet a careful reading of the text will reveal Jesus claims to be the father (I AM WHO AM) and that the Holy Spirit comes from the Father. The early church fathers read these things and pondered if God is one how can this be? Their answer was that of the triune God. This is exactly the type of revelation you speak of when you speak of ongoing revelation. So if you allow ongoing revelation to the Unitarians you have to allow it for everyone else even if their revelations do not fit your religious views.

    One last observation. The Bible is not a book. It is a collection of books written by various authors at various times in history to various audiences for various reasons. One must read these books from the proper vantage points to understand the authors' intents. The idea that anyone can just pick up the Bible and fully comprehend is ludicrous. That's why Christianity is so splintered.
  • FRE0

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    Dec 07, 2015 7:28 PM GMT
    AutumnalStride said10/10

    It's not so much a test of knowledge between books, but a test of linguistics. They're written in distinctly different styles.


    To a certain extent, that is true. For example, the Quran often uses "we" where the Bible would use "I"; that is often a giveaway.
  • FRE0

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    Dec 07, 2015 7:30 PM GMT
    JackNNJ saidAnother futile, cutesy exercise by dissipated white Liberals.

    You've got your heads in the sand - and up your butts. ISIS fully represents Islam today. You can keep pushing the fallacious moral equivalency angle, but the truth is clear.



    It is interesting that you assert that ISIS fully represents Islam today considering that ISIS is very tiny compared with the full extent of Muslims. That must be the new math which I have never fully understood.
  • FRE0

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    Dec 07, 2015 7:32 PM GMT
    UndercoverMan said
    Lincsbear saidI remember an article years ago about the Lord`s Prayer viewed from the three Abrahamic faiths.
    The only line muslims and Jews would apparently dissent on was the 'God the father, son, and Holy Ghost' one since they believe in a single, undivided god rather than a Trinitarian one.


    I believe you are mistaken as there is no mention of the Son and Holy Spirit in the Lord's Prayer.


    You are quite right. But many people commenting on the three Abrahamic faiths should do more studying before commenting.
  • Nakedman1969

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    Dec 07, 2015 10:56 PM GMT
    I know the Bible and its the right book and the Qur'an is not something I want to read or get to know. Plus it is very different from the Bible.
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    Dec 08, 2015 2:07 AM GMT
    With all the talk of recognizing which book is which by its grammar style, I sincerely hope that the greater point of how the Christian bible contains atrocities in it, and how those who claim to be knowledgeable of their Christian religion ignorantly assume that no such horrors exist, has been made.

    A great majority of people think of the Bible as "The Good Book", when in reality it's full of hateful, vile, disgusting, horrendous things--with a few good words and ideals scattered about. Conversely, many people think the Qur'an must contain horrible teachings, because of the spread of fundamentalist Islam.

    This little social experiment provides some insight into the ignorance and hypocrisy of a large demographic.

    ...sorry for boring you if you didn't miss this point. Just felt like posting a little reminder to show off how clever I am for seeing it. I deserve a cookie. Brb.
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    Dec 08, 2015 2:18 AM GMT
    Nakedman1969 saidI know the Bible and its the right book and the Qur'an is not something I want to read or get to know. Plus it is very different from the Bible.


    How do you know the Quran "is very different from the Bible" if you have never read it?
  • Rowing_Ant

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    Dec 08, 2015 9:18 AM GMT
    I've read them both. The bible is a collection of books, written over time....

    But Muslims believe the Qu'uran to be a miracle, literally dictated to the Prophet and it has never been misquoted or miss interpretted.... It's a lot shorter than the bible and like the bible has some hideous horrible passages and also some insights of real clarity and hope and love.

    (to be honest I suspect that, rather like the bible and the Torah, the Qu'uran has developed over time and has changed but one can't say that can one?)

    The Sikh Holy Book, the Guru Granth Sahib is worth a read, too! The Sikhs are lovely. A huge, massive, fundamental part of their religion is hospitality and helping others.
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    You nail it.
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    Dec 08, 2015 9:31 AM GMT
    Both of the books are fiction and they preach hate against LGBT.