Educational requirements for low skill low value jobs

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    Dec 06, 2015 5:01 AM GMT
    I was looking into the finances of working as a yoga teacher and ran into an article about how yoga alliance is ruining yoga by putting out too many unskilled workers.

    http://americanyogaschool.com/yoga-alliance-ruining-yoga/

    I have seen articles like this about personal training and to a lesser degree massage therapy as well. These are not high paying jobs. Yes any job that gives anyone any amount of responsibility over the body of another individual involves risk. However none of these careers involve caring for people who are unable to care for themselves as physical therapist, nurses and doctors do. Nor do they involve interventions that carry a high risk of death or severe injury of done improperly like chiropractors.

    I think its ridiculous to believe or ask people to require a year or more of education for careers that are generally low paying to middle class at best. I see this as more of a way to limit competition and artificially increase prices and wages, which is done in Rolfing and Pilates.

    I can't remember the article or the podcast that referenced it. I remember hearing about a study of pell grants the pointed out that we pay disproportional high number of pell grant dollars for people to go to beauty schools only to have the come out an enter a low paying industry. This is partially because states create ridiculously high educational standards for cosmologist, barbers, and in Texas (where I live) estheticians.
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    Dec 06, 2015 5:39 AM GMT
    Other than doctors or lawyers.....

    This is really the fault and conspiracy of corporate America to keep all job types "entry level", as such, they can "justify" the average to low wages typical to enter the workforce or a particular career.

    Pretty soon, you will need a 4 year degree to work as a janitor. This would assure "new, young educated janitors" are paid less than the more, senior level, paid more, less educated, older janitors that they will be replacing.


    Other than doctors or lawyers.....

    I believe the 'educational requirements' for all job classifications are made up to control and keep wage growth capped, as explained above. Its a corporate America generational rotational system and experiment so that no one person gets more than the other as far as the people who are working. Add payroll tracking (the number of people collecting a pay check) and labor participation tracking (those who are not collecting a pay check), its all designed to keep wages stagnated (which are somehow connected to the rate of inflation, at least this is what the public is told).

    Therefore, the corporate America, made up educational requirements, are designed to keep inflation in check (wages) and to keep their profit margins up or steady when they fluctuate icon_idea.gif


    In todays world, for long term employment, I recommend doctor or lawyer, at least you know, "education requirements" are for real icon_rolleyes.gif

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    Dec 06, 2015 6:02 AM GMT
    Every industry has its scam certifications. It's a way to make profit for the organizations that create the certifications. It was/is prevalent in the tech industry. But it's starting to come up more now in the fitness industry. Like just about any Joe Schmoe can be a Level 1 crossfit coach. You just need to take the weekend seminar and pay the fees.
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    Dec 06, 2015 3:58 PM GMT
    I've seen jobs requiring a masters degree and the pay range is $28k to $35k... icon_rolleyes.gif

    Unreal.
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    Dec 06, 2015 9:25 PM GMT
    Import saidI've seen jobs requiring a masters degree and the pay range is $28k to $35k... icon_rolleyes.gif

    Unreal.




    No doubt, todays "new grad, entry level".
    That same entry level job paid the same wage 20 years ago but without the required masters degree icon_confused.gif


    Now you know why corporate America lays off older, higher paid workers first, then they complain "I cant find qualified workers" when they need to replace with the above requirements and low wage, its just a rotational game to keep wages stagnate while profit margins stay at a certain level. Corporate America controls everything, job descriptions/classifications, the wages, the rate of hiring/firing, labor participation, unemployment benefits. icon_rolleyes.gif

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    Dec 06, 2015 9:34 PM GMT
    No, Portland businesses are advertising for people with Masters in chemistry and five years experience operating (e.g.) LC mass-spectrometers, for $30K. Although right now there is a boom in marijuana labs, so pay is going up a bit.

    I also see jobs advertised with ridiculous degree requirements. "Must have a B.S. (or M.S.) degree in operation of Model 498 Whiz-bang machine in a widget-manufacturing environment." That's not a degree, thats a one-week trade school course. icon_rolleyes.gif The whole point of a B.S. degree is that you are supposed to be a broadly educated person who can adapt to doing a lot of different things.
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    Dec 06, 2015 9:58 PM GMT
    mindgarden saidNo, Portland businesses are advertising for people with Masters in chemistry and five years experience operating (e.g.) LC mass-spectrometers, for $30K. Although right now there is a boom in marijuana labs, so pay is going up a bit.

    I also see jobs advertised with ridiculous degree requirements. "Must have a B.S. (or M.S.) degree in operation of Model 498 Whiz-bang machine in a widget-manufacturing environment." That's not a degree, thats a one-week trade school course. icon_rolleyes.gif The whole point of a B.S. degree is that you are supposed to be a broadly educated person who can adapt to doing a lot of different things.




    I feel its up to the individual to know what he/she is worth in the work/career marketplace rather than relying on business to tell what he/she is worth. Business will always short change the individual if they can get away with it.

    I think more and more of the workforce is finally wise to this scam and as such, have chosen to stay out of the workplace (low labor participation rate) to force corporate wage growth. We have seen this already with the push for $15 hour minimum wage for fast food workers. This is where its starts, at the bottom. Starting at the bottom forces the wage upward for all jobs and their classifications. (probably excluding doctors, lawyers or CEO's as these people can set their own wage)

    The wage problem remains at the "entry level" class of workers as corporate America will continue to try and hold or cap wage with ridiculous job requirements even when the push upward from the bottom continues. Eventually, corporate America will have to concede as nobody will be willing to work for wages they established 25-40 years ago. Their scam will come to an end and the Individual will once again be empowered. They just cant keep hiring foreigners forever. If there becomes a point where the pressure is too great, they could always move their businesses out of the USA and turn this country into a dust bowl (or China) only for the fact greed of the few, out weighed the needs of the many.

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    Dec 06, 2015 10:13 PM GMT
    I don't know... people are still desperate for just basic survival. Trivial jobs that used to be done by kids are filled by middle-aged and senior citizens, who are probably stringing together two or three of these to try to meet the next rent payment.

    A few years ago, I posted a job for an entry-level part-time lab assistant on the bulletin board at the community college. I figured it would be good for a student who had finished first-year chemistry. Instead, the instructors applied for the job icon_eek.gif

    But I agree that the solution is to tell these employers to fuck off and hang out your own shingle to compete with them. The problem is finding the capitol to start up. And the legions of government bureaucrats who have to be paid off. All the bribes permits and licenses that you have to buy. There are huge barriers to getting started.
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    Dec 06, 2015 10:23 PM GMT
    mindgarden saidI don't know... people are still desperate for just basic survival. Trivial jobs that used to be done by kids are filled by middle-aged and senior citizens, who are probably stringing together two or three of these to try to meet the next rent payment.

    A few years ago, I posted a job for an entry-level part-time lab assistant on the bulletin board at the community college. I figured it would be good for a student who had finished first-year chemistry. Instead, the instructors applied for the job icon_eek.gif

    But I agree that the solution is to tell these employers to fuck off and hang out your own shingle to compete with them. The problem is finding the capitol to start up. And the legions of government bureaucrats who have to be paid off. All the bribes permits and licenses that you have to buy. There are huge barriers to getting started.





    "Entry Level" is the problem (at least for the employee), "Entry Level" is the solution (at least for the employer), get it?



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    Dec 07, 2015 12:02 AM GMT
    mindgarden saidNo, Portland businesses are advertising for people with Masters in chemistry and five years experience operating (e.g.) LC mass-spectrometers, for $30K. Although right now there is a boom in marijuana labs, so pay is going up a bit.

    I also see jobs advertised with ridiculous degree requirements. "Must have a B.S. (or M.S.) degree in operation of Model 498 Whiz-bang machine in a widget-manufacturing environment." That's not a degree, thats a one-week trade school course. icon_rolleyes.gif The whole point of a B.S. degree is that you are supposed to be a broadly educated person who can adapt to doing a lot of different things.


    The adaptability comes from in part from the liberal arts or general education requirements for a degree that exposes students to multiple topics as well as developing critical thinking skills. Throw in problem solving skills learned in core classes, and corporations have a workforce trained to transfer knowledge and skills from one area and effectively apply them to another.

    One of the biggest advantages to hiring a degreed individual is they not only have a piece of paper from an accredited institution saying they can be taught, but they also know how to teach themselves. Especially if they have a masters degree. This means a company spends less money and resources on vocational training, and later on salary during yearly negotiations. Instead, a employee can be tasked with something and they will either figure it out, or they will use their own time, money, and resources to learn how to do it. Though they add value to a company, since they were developed outside of a corporate structure - from the company itself or higher educational systems that are now indistinguishable from corporate entities - it is difficult for employees to use self-gained knowledge and skills as a basis to negotiate for a higher salary.
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    Dec 07, 2015 12:09 AM GMT
    there should be a law that ALL jobs have to go through ONE government website (the interface can be farmed out), and the winning candidate's resume MUST be posted if the job is filled (without the name and contact, but everything else intact), and the wage posted as well. THAT would put everyone on an honest playing field, decrease nepotism and make job hunting a little more worthwhile.
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    Dec 07, 2015 12:14 AM GMT
    What also is fucked up is the fact that a lot of job postsing don't even post a salary range!!!

    Are you serious? How can one determine if they should apply for a position when the salary the organization is willing to pay is a secret? ... I guess they want you to go through the long, tedious application process... go through a lengthy and time-wasting phone interview and face to face interview....and then maybe they will tell u what the salary is.... only to realize "fuck, I can't live on that..." and you decline job and have wasted your time and interviewers time...

    I dont wanna see "competitive salary" or "salary commensurate with experience"... bitch, gimme the salary range yall budgeted for this shit.. icon_mad.gif

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    Dec 07, 2015 2:55 AM GMT
    Corporate world has been using their 'We Do It, because We Can' brutality mantra increasingly so ever since the last crash in 2008.

    You have a labor army out there buying incessantly the things that they do not need with the money that they do not have forcing them to do the jobs that they do not like at the income levels that they cannot not subsist on.

    If you take the trouble to ask the folks why are they doing this, (e.g. the mailman who took a reverse mortgage to book a USD 35K two week cruise for his wife and him???) you invariably hear that they 'deserve it', that they 'live only once', 'someone who they knew did it - the dude who takes home USD 600K every year' etc..

    We all know that capitalism works amazingly well because so many people agree to be first, manipulated and then, shamelessly exploited. Like so many other functioning systems, capitalism is highly opportunistic, too.

    A huge number of people out there love to hear the marketeers main message: 'You Deserve This; You Are Entitled to This; You Only Live Once; Spending Will Make You Feel Good.' Almost everyone walks into the trap with their eyes wide open, wearing big smiles on their faces.

    The culture of splurge has been making great forays into the cultures of many societies, and the day of reckoning has come.

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    Who needs slavery when you can so successfully manipulate the people that they slave their lives away for you and are even begging for iticon_biggrin.gif.

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