Obama Is One Of The 'Most Successful Presidents In History'

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    Dec 06, 2015 8:41 PM GMT
    https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2014/10/12/1336103/-Rolling-Stone-Calls-Obama-Most-Successful-President-In-History-Krugman-Reiterates-In-New-VIDEO

    Earlier this week, Nobel Prize winner, and harsh critic of President Obama, Paul Krugman, made a turnaround and praised the president in his Rolling Stone article. Also a Princeton Professor of Economics, Krugman writes:

    "Obama has emerged as one of the most consequential and, yes, successful presidents in American history."

    The author of 20 books and writer for the New York Times, Krugman goes on to list several key achievements Obama has made during, what Krugman calls, a 'wave of Obama-bashing' by 'mainstream pundits and talking heads.'

    "His health reform is imperfect but still a huge step forward – and it’s working better than anyone expected. Financial reform fell far short of what should have happened, but it’s much more effective than you’d think. Economic management has been half-crippled by Republican obstruction, but has nonetheless been much better than in other advanced countries. And environmental policy is starting to look like it could be a major legacy."

    On a very positive note, Krugman believes Democrats are doing better than expected in the Red states, which signifies a president who has done well:

    "Obviously the midterm election hasn’t happened yet, but in a year when Republicans have a huge structural advantage – Democrats are defending a disproportionate number of Senate seats in deep-red states – most analyses suggest that control of the Senate is in doubt, with Democrats doing considerably better than they were supposed to. This isn’t what you’d expect to see if a failing president were dragging his party down.

    More important, however, polls – or even elections – are not the measure of a president. High office shouldn’t be about putting points on the electoral scoreboard, it should be about changing the country for the better. Has Obama done that? Do his achievements look likely to endure? The answer to both questions is yes."

  • musclmed

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    Dec 06, 2015 9:04 PM GMT
    Yes the Paul Krugman who blamed the Gabby Giffords shooting on Sarah Palin, before any of the facts came out.

    And brought to you by Rolling Stone, whos reputation is right under Mad Magazine when it comes to journalism after the recent College Rape scandal.

    LOL
  • TheBaise

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    Dec 06, 2015 10:25 PM GMT
    Hey, why joke around, jokesters? Barak is for sure the best president / and the coolest / we've ever had / or will probably ever have / in our lifes. Know what? Nobody has got it happening like Barak. Nobody is as hip, slick 'n cool as Barak. Say that about any other prez. You can't!
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    Dec 06, 2015 10:31 PM GMT
    musclmed saidYes the Paul Krugman who blamed the Gabby Giffords shooting on Sarah Palin, before any of the facts came out.

    And brought to you by Rolling Stone, whos reputation is right under Mad Magazine when it comes to journalism after the recent College Rape scandal.

    LOL


    Assassination is LOL?

    Here is his NYT opinion piece:


    Assassination Attempt In Arizona
    January 8, 2011 3:22 pm January 8, 2011 3:22 pm

    A Democratic Congresswoman has been shot in the head; another dozen were also shot.

    We don’t have proof yet that this was political, but the odds are that it was. She’s been the target of violence before. And for those wondering why a Blue Dog Democrat, the kind Republicans might be able to work with, might be a target, the answer is that she’s a Democrat who survived what was otherwise a GOP sweep in Arizona, precisely because the Republicans nominated a Tea Party activist. (Her father says that “the whole Tea Party” was her enemy.) And yes, she was on Sarah Palin’s infamous “crosshairs” list.

    Just yesterday, Ezra Klein remarked that opposition to health reform was getting scary. Actually, it’s been scary for quite a while, in a way that already reminded many of us of the climate that preceded the Oklahoma City bombing.

    You know that Republicans will yell about the evils of partisanship whenever anyone tries to make a connection between the rhetoric of Beck, Limbaugh, etc. and the violence I fear we’re going to see in the months and years ahead. But violent acts are what happen when you create a climate of hate. And it’s long past time for the GOP’s leaders to take a stand against the hate-mongers.

    Update: I see that Sarah Palin has called the shooting “tragic”. OK, a bit of history: right-wingers went wild over anyone who called 9/11 a tragedy, insisting that it wasn’t a tragedy, it was an atrocity.

    Update: I’m going to take down comments on this one; they would need a lot of moderating, because the crazies are coming out in force, and it’s all too likely to turn into a flame war.

    Blame Palin?

    In March, Palin released a map featuring 20 House Democrats that usedcrosshairs images to show their districts. (You can see it here.) Critics suggested at the time that she was inciting violence by using the crosshairs imagery and for later writing on Twitter to her supporters, "'Don't Retreat, Instead - RELOAD!'"

    What kind of rhetoric is that?

    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/sarah-palin-criticized-over-gabrielle-giffords-presence-on-target-list/


    In other Palin news, Variety reports that the Discovery Channel is likely to be the network that broadcasts Palin's planned television show, which reportedly "will center on interesting characters, traditions and attractions in the 49th state -- with the ex-VP candidate as a guide."
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    Dec 06, 2015 10:38 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 saidThanks for the laugh. icon_lol.gif

    +1

    I know some people who lean left some fairly far left. I think they are misguided but even they are embarrassed at the follies of this president ...his many failures at home and abroad. To see people who actually think he's good means they have a warped definition of good or are totally delusional or both.
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    Dec 06, 2015 10:41 PM GMT
    bayguy said
    southbeach1500 saidThanks for the laugh. icon_lol.gif

    +1

    I know some people who lean left some fairly far left. I think they are misguided but even they are embarrassed at the follies of this president ...his many failures at home and abroad. To see people who actually think he's good means they have a warped definition of good or are totally delusional or both.


    and vice versa
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    Dec 06, 2015 11:56 PM GMT
    It is always difficult to predict how history will judge presidents and other leaders, thirty, fifty or a hundred years down the line. It is better done with the benefit of long hindsight and without the white noise of news reporting, contemporary politics and running criticism from the naysayers (see southbeach et al).

    I agree that Obama will probably be best remembered for introducing universal healthcare to the richest country in the world (where it was long overdue). The teething troubles of the ACA will be a mere footnote by then. He might also be remembered as the first president who started to get to grips with the epidemic of gun violence - he might yet have a few tricks up his sleeve with that one, given the current impotence of Congress (which history will also record reached the nadir of its job approval rating (9%) under GOP control during the Obama presidency).
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    Dec 07, 2015 9:07 PM GMT
    there is no recent good standard to judge this
    even G Bush got re elected

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    Dec 07, 2015 9:13 PM GMT
    LOL! Yeah, Obama really showed how great he is on last night's latest TelePrompT-fest. He was and remains the biggest fraud ever perpetrated on the American people. PT Barnum would be proud. The rest of us hold ourselves apart in shame.
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    Dec 07, 2015 11:47 PM GMT
    What would PT Barnum think of Donald Trump?

    In order to judge the impact of Obama, historians will look at the spectacular collapse of the Republicans during his administration.
    The GOP, when it is remembered, will be thought of as the party that made this president shine by comparison.
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    Dec 08, 2015 1:04 AM GMT
    Obamacare's Exchanges Begin To Implode:
    http://www.forbes.com/sites/sallypipes/2015/11/30/obamacares-exchanges-begin-to-implode/

    UnitedHealthcare to stop paying insurance agents for selling ACA health plans:
    http://www.newsobserver.com/news/business/article48514980.html

    Obama's Iran Nuke Deal falling apart:
    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-iran-missiles-idUSKBN0TQ2O220151207#R8JErb2w6kKh05sL.97

    Obama's "Good Friend", the Billionaire Sultan of Brunei passed a law to stone gays to death and is rewarded by Obama with a free trade deal:
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    Dec 08, 2015 2:29 AM GMT
    HappyNomad saidWhat would PT Barnum think of Donald Trump?

    In order to judge the impact of Obama, historians will look at the spectacular collapse of the Republicans during his administration.
    The GOP, when it is remembered, will be thought of as the party that made this president shine by comparison.


    So, if he's going to be praised for whom he destroyed, he'll be remembered for destroying [fellow] Americans, and not the enemies of America, is that it?

    Obama is America's worst enemy. He knows it, revels in it, and seeks and draws like-minded people to help him accomplish his messianic mission of destroying the US under the guise of "hope, change, and transfiguration." The sooner we're rid of him, the better.
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    Dec 08, 2015 3:08 AM GMT
    timmm55 said
    musclmed saidYes the Paul Krugman who blamed the Gabby Giffords shooting on Sarah Palin, before any of the facts came out.

    And brought to you by Rolling Stone, whos reputation is right under Mad Magazine when it comes to journalism after the recent College Rape scandal.

    LOL


    Assassination is LOL?

    Here is his NYT opinion piece:


    Assassination Attempt In Arizona
    January 8, 2011 3:22 pm January 8, 2011 3:22 pm

    A Democratic Congresswoman has been shot in the head; another dozen were also shot.

    We don’t have proof yet that this was political, but the odds are that it was. She’s been the target of violence before. And for those wondering why a Blue Dog Democrat, the kind Republicans might be able to work with, might be a target, the answer is that she’s a Democrat who survived what was otherwise a GOP sweep in Arizona, precisely because the Republicans nominated a Tea Party activist. (Her father says that “the whole Tea Party” was her enemy.) And yes, she was on Sarah Palin’s infamous “crosshairs” list.

    Just yesterday, Ezra Klein remarked that opposition to health reform was getting scary. Actually, it’s been scary for quite a while, in a way that already reminded many of us of the climate that preceded the Oklahoma City bombing.

    You know that Republicans will yell about the evils of partisanship whenever anyone tries to make a connection between the rhetoric of Beck, Limbaugh, etc. and the violence I fear we’re going to see in the months and years ahead. But violent acts are what happen when you create a climate of hate. And it’s long past time for the GOP’s leaders to take a stand against the hate-mongers.

    Update: I see that Sarah Palin has called the shooting “tragic”. OK, a bit of history: right-wingers went wild over anyone who called 9/11 a tragedy, insisting that it wasn’t a tragedy, it was an atrocity.

    Update: I’m going to take down comments on this one; they would need a lot of moderating, because the crazies are coming out in force, and it’s all too likely to turn into a flame war.

    Blame Palin?

    In March, Palin released a map featuring 20 House Democrats that usedcrosshairs images to show their districts. (You can see it here.) Critics suggested at the time that she was inciting violence by using the crosshairs imagery and for later writing on Twitter to her supporters, "'Don't Retreat, Instead - RELOAD!'"

    What kind of rhetoric is that?

    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/sarah-palin-criticized-over-gabrielle-giffords-presence-on-target-list/


    In other Palin news, Variety reports that the Discovery Channel is likely to be the network that broadcasts Palin's planned television show, which reportedly "will center on interesting characters, traditions and attractions in the 49th state -- with the ex-VP candidate as a guide."



    And DEMOCRATS used crosshairs too. What was the conclusion. The guy was a schizophrenic who couldnt even comprehend the news.
    Paul Krugman has ZERO credibility as a fair and apolitical commentator. Especially since he is a Economist, and just like in Gabby Giffords talks outside his expertise.

    Krugman's archive of highly partisan tendentiousness is extensive, and includes: "Republicans are radicals;" House Republicans are "blackmailers"; global warming skeptics should be "punished in the afterlife," deficit spending doesn't matter, and government austerity is bad

    Krugman often makes such biased, sometimes ugly allegations and proclamations, expecting that similarly-prejudiced, undiscerning and less-credentialed readers will accept them as authoritative.
  • oldfart

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    Dec 08, 2015 3:39 AM GMT
    On Obama, Gloria Steinem observed (to Charlie Rose) "...if the Republicans had cancer, and he had the cure, they would reject it. And blame it on him."

    The man is a blessing to this nation, and has done more good than he will get credit for in a long time.
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    Dec 08, 2015 4:01 AM GMT
    Obama Is One Of The 'Most Successful Presidents In History'

    #fuckingtrue
    lol
  • Apparition

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    Dec 08, 2015 5:53 AM GMT
    you can kinda get a view of how america will see obama in the future, if you see him from "outside" in other countries right now. Since we are not privy to all the petty bickering as much on a daily basis, we get the coles notes version of what he has done.


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    Summing up:

    He has had no major crises of consequence (nobody of consequence died or was caught, nobody bombed more than a handful of people, he hasnt been in any wars of note)

    He got a crappy bit of healthcare passed in the right direction, but should have just made it universal by edict instead of wasting time.

    He hasn't had any major financial melt downs.

    Interest rates are unremarkable.

    Oil is mediocre in price

    Unemployment is standard

    He has done a BORING job with no real mistakes of consequence (inspite of all the bitching and whining) all without really doing any tax increases of note (reagan taxes were twice as high...)

    -----

    REally nothng bad has happened on his watch. THAT is kind of remarkable.
  • musclmed

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    Dec 08, 2015 6:26 AM GMT
    Apparition saidyou can kinda get a view of how america will see obama in the future, if you see him from "outside" in other countries right now. Since we are not privy to all the petty bickering as much on a daily basis, we get the coles notes version of what he has done.


    ------------
    Summing up:

    He has had no major crises of consequence (nobody of consequence died or was caught, nobody bombed more than a handful of people, he hasnt been in any wars of note)

    He got a crappy bit of healthcare passed in the right direction, but should have just made it universal by edict instead of wasting time.

    He hasn't had any major financial melt downs.

    Interest rates are unremarkable.

    Oil is mediocre in price

    Unemployment is standard

    He has done a BORING job with no real mistakes of consequence (inspite of all the bitching and whining) all without really doing any tax increases of note (reagan taxes were twice as high...)

    -----

    REally nothng bad has happened on his watch. THAT is kind of remarkable.


    Really, how does eastern Europe look? Problems with Russia. Iran deal?
    Middle east in flames after he championed Arab spring.


    So i guess really nothing bad happened right....What an aspiration. What do they say life is 85% "showing up"....
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    Dec 08, 2015 7:06 AM GMT
    Paul Klugman considers himself a Social Democrat "in the European mode" so for him to wax eloquently about a Democratic President is hardly earth shattering. If he said the same thing about a Republicsn President I might be shocked.

    Obama is clearly not the best President but he's far from the worst. I think History will be kind to him with respect to what he managed to accomplish domestically but will take a critical tone with respect to his foreign policies.
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    Dec 08, 2015 12:26 PM GMT
    Apparition saidyou can kinda get a view of how america will see obama in the future, if you see him from "outside" in other countries right now. Since we are not privy to all the petty bickering as much on a daily basis, we get the coles notes version of what he has done.


    ------------
    Summing up:

    He has had no major crises of consequence (nobody of consequence died or was caught, nobody bombed more than a handful of people, he hasnt been in any wars of note)

    He got a crappy bit of healthcare passed in the right direction, but should have just made it universal by edict instead of wasting time.

    He hasn't had any major financial melt downs.

    Interest rates are unremarkable.

    Oil is mediocre in price

    Unemployment is standard

    He has done a BORING job with no real mistakes of consequence (inspite of all the bitching and whining) all without really doing any tax increases of note (reagan taxes were twice as high...)

    -----

    REally nothng bad has happened on his watch. THAT is kind of remarkable.


    Interest rates are "unremarkable? Really? Every Central Bank has them at ZERO (or even less than ZERO) for YEARS - that, sir, is TRULY REMARKABLE

    Obama's entire Presidency has been built upon zero interest rates and $8 TRILLION in new debt and Fed intervention in the markets
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    Dec 08, 2015 12:32 PM GMT
    I don't want a "cool" president. I want a president who can run the country and make sound business decisions. While I'm impressed that Obama is a Harvard graduate, he never should have been elected. He simply did not have the experience or the right connections.

    How about an experienced politician with a proven track record? One who served in the military?

    Make no mistake gentlemen (and ladies), we are at war and we need a wartime president.
  • tj85016

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    Dec 08, 2015 12:39 PM GMT
    Obama has always been a weak President

    His entire shtick is based on historically low interest rates and debt

    Even the House Dems know he's an aloof asshole
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    Dec 08, 2015 5:43 PM GMT
    CLTMike46 saidI don't want a "cool" president. I want a president who can run the country and make sound business decisions. While I'm impressed that Obama is a Harvard graduate, he never should have been elected. He simply did not have the experience or the right connections.

    How about an experienced politician with a proven track record? One who served in the military?

    Make no mistake gentlemen (and ladies), we are at war and we need a wartime president.


    Exactly. I'm aghast when otherwise intelligent people tell me how "cool" they think Obama is. What is "cool;" "what is hip?" I've met enough Harvard - and other Ivy League grads* - not to be impressed with that credential alone, but to get behind it and discern what they've actually done there and since. An affirmative action admitee and appointee to the Law Review, where he was not its editor, or any other editor, but only its "president," the position reserved for the glad hander, and where his law review note had to be practically pried out of him and rewritten by more competent pens, does not impress me at all, and his record since then only diminishes him further.
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    *You want dumb? Talk to a Brown grad for a minute or two.
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    Dec 08, 2015 6:57 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    You should create these as 2 different topics, otherwise nobody is going to see this.


    Which crass advice neatly sums up Southbeach's posting strategy: Quantity always trumps quality (kerching!).
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    Dec 08, 2015 7:08 PM GMT
    Apparition saidyou can kinda get a view of how america will see obama in the future, if you see him from "outside" in other countries right now. Since we are not privy to all the petty bickering as much on a daily basis, we get the coles notes version of what he has done.


    ------------
    Summing up:

    He has had no major crises of consequence (nobody of consequence died or was caught, nobody bombed more than a handful of people, he hasnt been in any wars of note)

    He got a crappy bit of healthcare passed in the right direction, but should have just made it universal by edict instead of wasting time.

    He hasn't had any major financial melt downs.

    Interest rates are unremarkable.

    Oil is mediocre in price

    Unemployment is standard

    He has done a BORING job with no real mistakes of consequence (inspite of all the bitching and whining) all without really doing any tax increases of note (reagan taxes were twice as high...)

    -----

    REally nothng bad has happened on his watch. THAT is kind of remarkable.



    You are ignoring the vast and unspeakable hardships this president has placed on Gay Republicans.

    Gay Republicans have whined themselves into a state of hysteria. I blame Obama.